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[Cataholic]

Your everyday Consumer can't comprehend something that doesn't yet exist. I believe that Technology is a force for good. Now that doesn't mean Regulators let a bunch of Silicon Valley bros run everything. There needs to be oversight.

There will be job losses (for instance with driverless trucks). Again, there needs to be oversight over the direction and rate of change. Word Processors made Typists extinct but made us all more productive.

Since you mentioned Keyless Entry and Baby in the same sentence, the most intuitive interface is the mother's b**ast to a baby. Keyless Entry (Mercedes Benz invention?) doesn't do too bad.

Technology has indeed helped us when harnessed for good.

But keyless entry, for example, doesn't have the power to dominate us with intelligence.

It can't operate military equipment and make decisions of its own accord. It hasn't predicted that it will surpass humanity by 2048.

Like every invention made for the good of mankind AI will be used for greed, domination and suppression.

Except AI isn't just a dumb or passive tool. It can learn, adapt and advance far quicker than humans.

 

[Baudolino]

"without regulation" and "uncritically assume that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages" is shifting the goalposts. No one is espousing blind adoption.

First of all, people absolutely are espousing blind adoption, even in the narrow BigFooty example of thread people are making the argument that we integrate AI into the forum not on the basis that its better than the status quo but on the basis that theres simply nothing we can do about AI's inevitable integration into everything and therefore we have no choice but to just give up the status quo and adopt it.

Secondly, there's shifting of the goalposts going on here. The fact that anyone would advocate for the use of AI as if it's just an inconsequential change to the status quo that makes no material difference to the BigFooty experience other than improving user convenience is absurd, depressingly naive and inherently unserious. All it does is prove my point that people aren't thinking this through and are just blithely throwing away things that have real value and importance, all in the name of convenience.

 

[jim boy]

I think we are starting to see it more generally becoming a massive societal problem in the West (not just AI, but just technology replacing jobs in general).

Starting? That has been going on since the luddites started smashing textile spinning technology in 1768.

The demise of well-paid blue collar jobs has had a lot to do with the rise of Trump, Reform, One Nation, etc etc. It's been unpleasant.

Cant really agree - at least in Australia. For their abhorrent rhetoric - One Nation has never held power or set policy in Australia (nor Reform in the UK). Manufacturing in Australia has been on a terminal decline since the early 70's.

 

[Baudolino]

Technology brings change and that will close a few doors. Other doors will open. This has been oft-repeated throughout history

Oh good, so just confirming then: your prediction is that the amount of jobs created will AI will be equal or greater than the amount of jobs displaced by AI? Despite there being no logical reason to believe that and despite the fact that it's absurd to take for a given that axioms that held true during the Industrial Revolution will also apply to the creation of AI?

 

[Baudolino]

Comparing job displacement during the IR to job displacement from AI has to be one of the most annoying false analogies ever fml

 

[dudusmaximus]

Technology has indeed helped us when harnessed for good.

But keyless entry, for example, doesn't have the power to dominate us with intelligence.

It can't operate military equipment and make decisions of its own accord. It hasn't predicted that it will surpass humanity by 2048.

Like every invention made for the good of mankind AI will be used for greed, domination and suppression.

Except AI isn't just a dumb or passive tool. It can learn, adapt and advance far quicker than humans.

That holds for any advancement or invention. Was Dynamite a net positive (build tunnels, bridges etc.) or a net negative (terrorists blowing up bridges)? The answer always is, it's complicated.

This thread was seeking feedback on a product. We've said plenty.

 

[dudusmaximus]

First of all, people absolutely are espousing blind adoption, even in the narrow BigFooty example of thread people are making the argument that we integrate AI into the forum not on the basis that its better than the status quo but on the basis that theres simply nothing we can do about AI's inevitable integration into everything and therefore we have no choice but to just give up the status quo and adopt it.

Secondly, there's shifting of the goalposts going on here. The fact that anyone would advocate for the use of AI as if it's just an inconsequential change to the status quo that makes no material difference to the BigFooty experience other than improving user convenience is absurd, depressingly naive and inherently unserious. All it does is prove my point that people aren't thinking this through and are just blithely throwing away things that have real value and importance, all in the name of convenience.

This thread is the "thinking through" you are advocating. It is an entirely optional product and is not being thrust on anyone.

 

[Baudolino]

This thread is the "thinking through" you are advocating. It is an entirely optional product and is not being thrust on anyone.

I don't care if it's optional. I'm not saying "I'm against this being made compulsary, but I'm okay with it if being on the forum just as long as I'm not forced to interact with it," I'm saying that introducing it at all, including as an optional feature, is inherently bad, will make the forum worse, will lead to the normalisation of AI in a way that will advance the possibility of more intrusive AI integration on the forum in the future, and overall shouldn't happen.