Polak

[Dry Rot]

It is just a suggestion.I have no problems with the Eagle as a player and I am not even sure I would look at trading for Polak just yet I was just suggesting something that might interest Freo without us giving away any of our future stars.

Could also involve a Vic club like the Pies in a three way trade? Ie Eagle to the Pies, their first round pick to Freo and Polak to the Dogs?

 

[wonnydog]

If we start trading away the likes of Eagleton and Ray, we will be destroying what is our strength and our appeal to the football world; pace and ball carrying.

 

[stefoid]

If we start trading away the likes of Eagleton and Ray, we will be destroying what is our strength and our appeal to the football world; pace and ball carrying.

you dont get something for nothing. you can forget about polak for a 2nd rounder or skipper or whatever.

a first rounder or eagleton etc.. they might take.

 

[ITS OUR TIME 2007-2017]

At this stage its all speculation so i reckon we should just wait and see what happens. We should have faith in Rocket and the team as they have been nothing but positive for the club and they will make the correct decisions. Having said that its pretty obvious we need one or two KPP and another match winner wouldnt hurt but whatever happens im sure it will be positive.
GO DOGGIES

 

[ImperialPurple]

you dont get something for nothing. you can forget about polak for a 2nd rounder or skipper or whatever.

a first rounder or eagleton etc.. they might take.

That's it really. Both Freo and the Dogs are playing an attractive brand of footy. Freo lacks pace, Dogs lack match-ready talls. A swap along those lines may be the way to go to improve both squads. Quality for quality. We can bang on about "a tall is worth more than a small" and you could bang on about "our small is more proven than your tall" and we'd both be right. However to make a trade work you have to find the middle ground.

With all that said, very few players actually do switch clubs - some loyalty does still exist + mates + where you live + where you're comfortable etc, etc, etc - so I wouldn't be surprised to see Polak sign a 2-3 year deal some time in the next month and put all this speculation to rest.

But I really wouldn't mind seeing young Farren in Purple, and it is fun to speculate.

 

[Guido]

.I suppose another way it could happen is a swap of first round picks asuming Freo finish higher than us.

This is my preference. Depending on our respective finishing positions, we'd probably have to also throw our second rounder in. Something like a swap of our pick 10 for their pick 14, and our pick 28. But it depends on how the finals pan out - an early finish might have us reconsidering our whole stance on that kind of trade. If we get knocked out first week and they went on to the grand final, upgrading pick 15/16 to pick 9 has some serious currency in itself.

But if we finish above them and it becomes a situation of having to swap our first rounder outright for him, at the very least we also have to get their second rounder in return. Pick 12ish for Pick 30ish + Polak. Even if it's their third rounder, I'd take whatever little extra we can get - these secondary/sweetener type add ons to main trades have a funny habit of becoming gems in their own right, sometimes producing even more than the major components of the swap.

But if it worked out that way, option A would be perfect. To secure Polak and retain a presence in the top 20 of this draft would be an excellent result.

 

[Gooka]

If Eade thought Polak was better than what we'd get with a first rounder, then I'd go for it for sure. Especially if, by better, it means he'll be playing in our team next year as opposed to waiting 3-5 years for a KPP new draftee to get a senior game.

High Draft picks are good. Keep them when you need a gun, but don't be afraid to trade one if you have many gun kids already. We've got Coon, Griff, Higgins, Ray... all will be guns. Williams might be, might not be. The 24+ year old group of Murph, Hahn, Gilbee etc are all guns.

We need a key forward in the next 2 years to have a real shot. I don't know a lot about Polak, but I know he's had wraps on him after his first few seasons. He could be worth the first round pick.

Trade it. Go for it. Now is the time.

 

[Go_Dogs]

Do not trade Ray, or Eagle or any of those guys...stupidity...

 

[Dry Rot]

If Eade thought Polak was better than what we'd get with a first rounder, then I'd go for it for sure. Especially if, by better, it means he'll be playing in our team next year as opposed to waiting 3-5 years for a KPP new draftee to get a senior game.

High Draft picks are good. Keep them when you need a gun, but don't be afraid to trade one if you have many gun kids already. We've got Coon, Griff, Higgins, Ray... all will be guns. Williams might be, might not be. The 24+ year old group of Murph, Hahn, Gilbee etc are all guns.

We need a key forward in the next 2 years to have a real shot. I don't know a lot about Polak, but I know he's had wraps on him after his first few seasons. He could be worth the first round pick.

Trade it. Go for it. Now is the time.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Whether Polak is the answer, I'm not sure but we need to trade for a Polak style player or two. Like Gooka, I favour using picks rather than gun players.

Eade has a pretty good record re trading.

Currently, is there a side with a worse list of young talls than us?

 

[paul scholes]

hargrave for a guy who can't get a look in at freo no thanks, definately have a look at him but wouldn't be willing to sell the stable in order to obtain him. mundy for koops thanks mastermind rohde

 

[paul scholes]

god i'm glad some people here aren't involved in october, eagleton and ray for a player with well documented off field issues can't get a game with freo. Honestly is peter rohde posting here.

 

[stefoid]

Couldn't have put it better myself. Whether Polak is the answer, I'm not sure but we need to trade for a Polak style player or two. Like Gooka, I favour using picks rather than gun players.

Eade has a pretty good record re trading.

Currently, is there a side with a worse list of young talls than us?

hmm, the rumour mill said eade went for fatso cole and also saddington who I havent heard is setting the world on fire at carlton.

 

[stefoid]

god i'm glad some people here aren't involved in october, eagleton and ray for a player with well documented off field issues can't get a game with freo. Honestly is peter rohde posting here.

nobody is saying eagleton AND ray. look, I honestly dont know crap about polak, but not getting a game for freo who is well stocked with talls at either end isnt such a crime - not anywhere near an indictment as say, davidson who cant even get a game with us.

but market forces for talls being what they are, you will have to give something substntial, thats all.

 

[Dog Town]

This is my preference. Depending on our respective finishing positions, we'd probably have to also throw our second rounder in. Something like a swap of our pick 10 for their pick 14, and our pick 28. But it depends on how the finals pan out - an early finish might have us reconsidering our whole stance on that kind of trade. If we get knocked out first week and they went on to the grand final, upgrading pick 15/16 to pick 9 has some serious currency in itself.

But if we finish above them and it becomes a situation of having to swap our first rounder outright for him, at the very least we also have to get their second rounder in return. Pick 12ish for Pick 30ish + Polak. Even if it's their third rounder, I'd take whatever little extra we can get - these secondary/sweetener type add ons to main trades have a funny habit of becoming gems in their own right, sometimes producing even more than the major components of the swap.

But if it worked out that way, option A would be perfect. To secure Polak and retain a presence in the top 20 of this draft would be an excellent result.

I agree with all of that.I am very keen to stay in the first round of the draft if possible because I feel we need to keep half an eye on the medium term to ensure we dont bottom right out when Johnson and West retire.This draft is pretty good at the top end if you believe the experts so I think we should be pretty keen to stay involved during the early part of the draft.

For those that are worried about the risk I would say it is better for us to have tried and failed than to have not tried at all (is that how it goes?) . We got screwed over Rawlings and others but the Rohde trades smacked of desperation and were in a different situation.

With a full side we are obviously already close to a top 4 side and the thing that we most obviously lack is a couple of KPP.I wont say that we cant win it playing with such a small side because last years grand finalists both played styles that I would previously have thought could not win it but the common thought (plenty of evidence to back it up) is that it will be extremely difficult to win a flag with 3 and a half genuine KPP particularly when two of them are well past 30 and have injury concerns.We can make some of that up by developing what we already have on our list but eventually we need to dip our toe in again and make a big trade that involves a KPP.Polak has the ability to make a difference and more importantly seems to be some chance of being available.It was only 3 seasons ago that Fevola was almost delisted at Carlton and while they are very different players it shows that just because a guy is not starring for his clb does not mean he never will.

 

[Bigger]

Despite the off-field stuff, he would be a good pickup. He is definately in the Dockers best 22, and is outstanding as CHB. The Dockers have plenty of good key position players, and this guy is underrated. Would be good to play at CHB so that Grant could go forward and be rested for games next season.

Pick him up I say. The Dockers have a reputation of giving away some of their best players which they didn't rate. eg. McPhee, Simmonds.

Steven Koops.

 

[Benno From Berwick]

If we start trading away the likes of Eagleton and Ray, we will be destroying what is our strength and our appeal to the football world; pace and ball carrying.

I don't think eagleton would be missed in respect to on ground.

 

[natedog]

Steven Koops.

Koops was during Rhodes time...and I'd trust Rocket any day over Rohdes assessment during that period.

 

[woofers]

Leave Shaggy - he is too versatile and I would like to see him backing his judgement a bit more and coming forward.

Let's be brutally honest the trade that works is Harris for Polak AND a pick.

Harris is what they need and we get a CHB - which we need badly. Harris has too many goals kicked on him, has been beaten by all of the big guns this year - we had to play Morris on Fev for god's sake - and his decision making and disposal are a real issue.

If he promised to never kicked the ball again then I would kill the trade but otherwise lets get something for him while he still has value.

Don;t forget Polak was drafted at no 4 in a very good draft and is tall so they take some development.

I know a few teams that would love to have Harris as their F.B. for the next 10 yrs.He is only going to get better.So you would not mind seeing Harris in maybe a Collingwood,Port Adelaide,or even a Tigers jumper.Wallace rates Harris highly.You want brutal honesty well here it is YOU ARE A FOOL.

 

[Gooka]

Strange.

Some people want to give up known performers like Harris or Ray for a maybe (maybe gun, but still maybe), while some want to give up someone who's never done anything, Skipper for him. Talk about a broad spectrum of views.

I'd rather give up a first round draft pick than a proven performer. People can talk up the draft all they want, but in the not so distant past we've picked up Tim Walsh & Sam Power with first round picks. A first round pick doesn't guarantee you a gun player.