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This City's Police Kill More People Than the NYPD — And That's Just the Start of the Story

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This City's Police Kill More People Than the NYPD — And That's Just the Start of the Story
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On Sunday, March 16, 38-year-old mentally ill homeless man James Boyd turned his back to Albuquerque police officers after a tense standoff and was shot dead. Captured by a video camera mounted on one of the responding officer's heads, the grisly clip depicts what appears to be the shocking overuse of force by Albuquerque's finest.

Warning: The clip below shows the violent death of a person by firearm.

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The city claims the officers acted in justifiable self-defense. But to outside observers, it looks a lot more like brutality — an utterly unnecessary escalation of force at best and an extra-judicial execution at worst.

But wait, there's more: A single video only tells us so much, and what might ultimately be more damning are statistics that show Albuquerque police officers constantly feel they need to use their guns. The latest shooting is just one part of a deadly pattern. The APD routinely kills more suspects per capita than the NYPD, which serves a metro area 16 times the size of Albuquerque and has 34,000 officers to the APD's 1,000. Since 2010, the APD has been involved in 37 shootings in which 23 people died. Between 2010 and March 2012, the APD was involved in 18 fatal shootings to the NYPD's 22 in the same time period. No officer involved in any of the cases has been prosecuted or even fired, despite a body trail that suggests a department with wildly inappropriate use-of-force.

Even more grotesquely, in 2012 the New York Times reported $500 payments are issued to officers put on paid leave following shooting incidents to cover their stress-related expenses. This was called a de facto "bounty system" by families of the APD's victims.

The Albuquerque Journal has found that APD misconduct has resulted in $24 million in judgments against the city in lawsuits since 2010, a number that seems likely to increase as more suits get resolved and new ones are filed over disputed cases. And the feds are concerned as well. The U.S. Justice Department has been looking into the APD's alleged civil rights violations and excessive use of force for over a year, though it has yet to announce any findings.

Unrest: Demonstrators took to the streets last Tuesday, and on Sunday, protests across the city led to a violent crackdown by the APD. Local filmmaker Jesse Darling told VICE News, "The crowd was generally pretty peaceful and there wasn't too much aggression until a bit later in the evening. Then it turned into more kind of an Occupy crowd, and that's when police started throwing tear gas canisters."

Local novelist Frances Madeson claims, "New Mexico is a small state and the police culture here seems to be growing more paramilitary in nature. Increasingly you see people who defy the police as power figures and are being hurt badly."

"We want our cops to be heroes, and right now, we are terrified of them," one protester said. "We are afraid to ask for help, lest we reach for our cellphones or scratch our chins and be murdered. It is a true fear."
 
Do the NYPD kill many people at all? NYC is one of the safest cities in the world these days.

My impression of the NYPD's reputation is that they're pretty professional as far as police forces go.
 

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My impression of the NYPD's reputation is that they're pretty professional as far as police forces go.

Indeed. Poor comparison when you're trying to antagonise another districts police force.
 
Looking at the video of the surroundings, as much as you could see, they appear to be in a fairly isolated area. Totally unnecessary. Just wait him out, he'll eventually get hungry, thirsty, tired. Who was he posing a threat to? The only way he was going to be a threat to the police was if the police moved closer to him.

Maybe they were impatient to get home and watch some sports event.

Bugs Bunny was right, perhaps we should turn left at Albuquerque and just keep on going.
 
Do the NYPD kill many people at all? NYC is one of the safest cities in the world these days.

Between 2010 and March 2012, the APD wasinvolved in 18 fatal shootings to the NYPD's 22 in the same time period.

No, considering the general USA culture, 22 in 2 years with a city that size and PD that large is pretty good. Not comparing it to anywhere else, but if I had to guess, I would have said New York would have at least twice that 22. But it's shocking to see that the APD is almost at the same level despite having just 1000 members. That video is a terrible look into a militarised culture of their police force. They honestly had no other options than to shoot him (was it numerous times too? When he was laying down what was that going off?)? As an isolated video, it's shocking, but it doesn't mean a whole lot. Combined with some serious stats, it is a real issue.
 
No, considering the general USA culture, 22 in 2 years with a city that size and PD that large is pretty good. Not comparing it to anywhere else, but if I had to guess, I would have said New York would have at least twice that 22. But it's shocking to see that the APD is almost at the same level despite having just 1000 members. That video is a terrible look into a militarised culture of their police force. They honestly had no other options than to shoot him (was it numerous times too? When he was laying down what was that going off?)? As an isolated video, it's shocking, but it doesn't mean a whole lot. Combined with some serious stats, it is a real issue.

The cop with the yellow highlighted shotgun was shooting him with bean bags, you could hear it said before he started to shoot him.
 
The cop with the yellow highlighted shotgun was shooting him with bean bags, you could hear it said before he started to shoot him.

Cheers for that.

Turns out the guy was homeless but camping.

But he had a knife in his hand??!! Did you not see the knife in his hand??!! He was holding a knife!!
 
Might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure New Mexico as a state has a pretty high crime rate, and is known for some pretty "wild west" stuff.
Like homeless men camping out in the wilderness using a small shiv for preparing meat. They should've called in the helicopters with mounted gattling guns.
 

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Might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure New Mexico as a state has a pretty high crime rate, and is known for some pretty "wild west" stuff.

Unfortunately shooting people is merely burying (literally) the problem, rather than tackling the root cause of the problem. Why is there a high crime rate, and what can the PD do to tackle that without being trigger happy?
 
Like homeless men camping out in the wilderness using a small shiv for preparing meat. They should've called in the helicopters with mounted gattling guns.

What I meant was, New Mexico (and Mississippi and Louisiana) is to crime in 2014 what New York City was in the past. Doesn't mean all this fuss is necessary for this situation, but yeah.

Unfortunately shooting people is merely burying (literally) the problem, rather than tackling the root cause of the problem. Why is there a high crime rate, and what can the PD do to tackle that without being trigger happy?

Forced abortions? I don't know.
 
Why would the article quote that APD kill more people than NYPD per capita, then refer to population numbers? Makes it lose credibility

In a smaller population, a 'bad year' so to speak will cause a spike in numbers making them look worse than they actually might be

Its still terrible of course, where theres smoke theres fire
 
Either get the * down or prepare to die. Seems like a pretty simple choice.

The dude failed his comprehension test but that doesn't mean he deserved to die.

It's a complete over use of force. Big guns and dogs just for some dude camping out by himself.

This is what America has come to. Cops die on the job so often that many of them feel safer shooting first in any situation.
 

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