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POSITIONAL COMPETENCY and the BACK SIX
The key feature of the great back six’s was their ‘ability to work together’ (and think together). They seemed to read each others minds and they all acted as one.
Whether it be the Manassa, Magro, Ireland, Picken, or the Sexton, Deans, Silvagni, McKay’s.
Stating the obvious - your back six needs to be constantly reading the play and adjusting accordingly. Unlike forwards, the back six needs to watch the ball, read the game, read their direct opponents mind and read any other players mind who charges into the defensive zone. In the back six you need players with the mental side of their ability reasonably well developed. If you mentally go to sleep or MAKE THE WRONG CHOICES you will have goals kicked on you or allow the play to unfold such that the opposition dominates in your defensive zone.
One clear point that arose out of the 2003 grand final (apart from not going hard for the ball) was that our Positional competency was far lower than the LIONS. As I mentioned above, we are talking about the mental side of the game here.
The game (obviously) is a series of choices, whether you go with your gut or your fore-brain. We regularly see backmen making bad choices.
Often coaches say that“the player should have followed his first instinct/ gut instinct”.
Then when the player follows this instruction and bombs badly the coaches assessment will be “it was poor decision making on the part of the player”.
These two ….are contradictory and opposite. You cannot do both. Using your brain in decision making means not following your first instinct.
Going with your first instinct every time does not involve any form of decision making process. It is the most simplistic form of decision making process in that to a large extent it doesn't involve making a decision. It is a means of NOT making decisions. It’s like going into a Chinese restaurant, you are confronted with a variety of dishes and you order the same dish every single time. There is little, if any, in the way of a ‘decision making process’involved. Its following your heart/ gut rather than your head.
If a player makes the wrong choices, its because their decision making competence is poor. (low competency in the mental side of the game) NOT because they didn't follow their first/gut instincts which requires little if any decision making process at all as it is simply an automatic reaction.
Developing your decision making process is the ‘mental’ part of the game. It is about knowing where to run, when to run, why I'm running there and what I'm going to do when I get there.
A Paul Roo’s had an advanced ‘decision making process’. He had a high level of competence in the choices he made and as the years passed he continued to raise his ability in that area of the mental side of the game. He had what could be termed ‘POSITIONAL COMPETENCY’ and as the years passed he developed that ‘postional competence’.
Some young players are gifted in that they innately possess a high level of ‘positional competence’. Most coaches say it can't be taught. ( Even though you can watch kids without it develop it over time.)
But if you impose a coherent system on your back ‘six’ say, (even with a bunch of 11 year olds, I've already done this) then run them through endless Real Time scenarios, over time they should increase their ‘positional competence’ individually and more importantly AS A GROUP.
Even if only once in a year, one of those scenarios occurs and the player reacts in the way he did at training, and the result is positive and it is that correct choice that leads to a crucial win, then running through the 'what if’s’ at training and raising that players positional competence by just 1% was worthwhile. Paul Roo’s was not a one dimensional unthinking, 'just keep it mindless and simple back man', that was why he was such a champion.
Of course, developing ‘positional competence’ won't stop the individual or the group from making mistakes, you will still have players making poor decisions, but if the number of bad decisions is decreased in the heat of battle there arises the chance that, that one that prevents the goal which would have lost you the game may occur.
Some coaches say that a backmens mind will lock up if he thinks too much about the consequences of an action” (I'm sure Paul Roo’s mind rarely locked up and he played as if he was always ASSESSING the consequences of his actions), this is why you need a solid coherent SYSTEM in place, so the backmen have that as the foundation of their game. It can be a fall back position if there are doubts creeping in. A simple system that requires little thought and no choice, you just do the same thing in all situations. However, as no two teams are the same and no two games are the same, if sometimes you can't adapt appropriately to what is going on around you then you will suffer. Not being able to read a change and thus not being able to ADJUST accordingly can be catastrophic. To read the play and adjust, requires the development of the mental side of the player.
Assess and Adjust. Champions develop the mental ability to do this do it instantly and do it successfully throughout their careers. They possess ‘positional competence’ and I believe that it can’t be taught but the level of it can be RAISED.
 
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You are a breath of fresh air and i am enjoying reading some of your opinions, which sometimes superficially seem well thought out and sometimes on the money.

But please is it too much to ask to write in paragraphs? What you have written above is unreadable!!!
 
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POSITIONAL COMPETENCE

The key feature of the great back six’s was their ‘ability to work together’ (and think together).
They seemed to read each others minds and they all acted as one.
Whether it be the Manassa, Magro, Ireland, Picken, or the Sexton, Deans, Silvagni, McKay’s.

Stating the obvious - your back six needs to be constantly reading the play and adjusting accordingly.

Unlike forwards, the back six needs to watch the ball, read the game, read their direct opponents mind and read any other players mind who charges into the defensive zone.

In the back six you need players with the mental side of their ability reasonably well developed.

If you mentally go to sleep or MAKE THE WRONG CHOICES you will have goals kicked on you or allow the play to unfold such that the opposition dominates in your defensive zone.

One clear point that arose out of the 2003 grand final (apart from not going hard for the ball) was that our Positional competency was far lower than the LIONS. As I mentioned above, we are talking about the mental side of the game here.

The game (obviously) is a series of choices, whether you go with your gut or your fore-brain. We regularly see backmen making bad choices.

Often coaches say that“the player should have followed his first instinct/ gut instinct”.

Then when the player follows this instruction and bombs badly the coaches assessment will be “it was poor decision making on the part of the player”.

These two ….are contradictory and opposite. You cannot do both. Using your brain in decision making means not following your first instinct.

Going with your first instinct every time does not involve any form of decision making process. It is the most simplistic form of decision making process in that to a large extent it doesn't involve making a decision.
It is a means of NOT making decisions.

It’s like going into a Chinese restaurant, you are confronted with a variety of dishes and you order the same dish every single time. There is little, if any, in the way of a ‘decision making process’involved. Its following your heart/ gut rather than your head.

If a player makes the wrong choices, its because their decision making competence is poor. (low competency in the mental side of the game) NOT because they didn't follow their first/gut instincts- which requires little if any decision making process at all as it is simply an automatic reaction.

Developing your decision making process is the ‘mental’ part of the game. It is about knowing where to run, when to run, why I'm running there and what I'm going to do when I get there.

A Paul Roo’s had an advanced ‘decision making process’. He had a high level of competence in the choices he made and as the years passed he continued to raise his ability in that area of the mental side of the game.

He had what could be termed ‘POSITIONAL COMPETENCY’ and as the years passed he developed that ‘postional competence’.

Some young players are gifted in that they innately possess a high level of ‘positional competence’. Most coaches say it can't be taught. ( Even though you can watch kids without it develop it over time.)

But if you impose a coherent system on your back ‘six’ say, (even with a bunch of 11 year olds, I've already done this) then run them through endless Real Time scenarios, over time they should increase their ‘positional competence’ individually and more importantly AS A GROUP.

Even if only once in a year, one of those scenarios occurs and the player reacts in the way he did at training, and the result is positive and it is that correct choice that leads to a crucial win, then running through the 'what if’s’ at training and raising that players positional competence by just 1% was worthwhile.

Paul Roo’s was not a one dimensional unthinking, 'just keep it mindless and simple back man', that was why he was such a champion.

Of course, developing ‘positional competence’ won't stop the individual or the group from making mistakes, you will still have players making poor decisions, but if the number of bad decisions is decreased in the heat of battle there arises the chance that, that one that prevents the goal which would have lost you the game may occur.

Some coaches say that a backmens mind will lock up if he thinks too much about the consequences of an action” (I'm sure Paul Roo’s mind rarely locked up and he played as if he was always ASSESSING the consequences of his actions), this is why you need a solid coherent SYSTEM in place, so the backmen have that as the foundation of their game.

It can be a fall back position if there are doubts creeping in. A simple system that requires little thought and no choice, you just do the same thing in all situations.

However, as no two teams are the same and no two games are the same, if sometimes you can't adapt appropriately to what is going on around you then you will suffer.

Not being able to read a change and thus not being able to ADJUST accordingly can be catastrophic.

To read the play and adjust, requires the development of the mental side of the player.

Assess and Adjust.

Champions develop the mental ability to do this do it instantly and do it successfully throughout their careers.

They possess ‘positional competence’ and I believe that it can’t be taught but the level of it can be RAISED.
 

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This doesn't exactly need to be on the Collingwood board. It could go on the AFL board.
When coaches say "trust your first instinct" I think it means if your in a pressure situation and see a good option don't risk looking for a better option just go with the first good option.
For instance Ben Johnson grabs the ball loose of the pack in pressure and sees Clement close to him free but instead he looks on to find someone furthur up the ground in space, in the time he looks for his second option he is tackled and pinged for holding the ball. Now he should of gone for his first option in Clement. Great players like Buckley can assess multiple options in a matter of half a second and execute it perfectly.
 
Decision making is complex thing. Firstly you have players who are born with "it". Those that are not can improve with experiance. Confindence is one of the most decisive factors week in week out though. By and large we had a team of hopless decision makers in the late 90's. Now we have a team of better decision makers but there is a way to go. When I look at Cole I see a bloke who makes far too many poor decision for my liking. I understand I am in the minority but to me he makes a poor decision and rushed into the execution because he is unsure and/or under the pump. I hope with experience and confidence he improves in that regard. When I watched Kinnear in the semi v Port I got very frustrated. He takes an eternity to asses his optiion and then has none left when has finished his assessment. He is the classic second rate footballer who will never be first rate. Then I olook at McKee who always seems to be in slow motion but generally gets the ball away effectively. Unfortunately he's a ruckman who can't ruck but that's another issue. Now if you want an example of how a player can improve in decision making take a look at Rocca. Frankly pre MM he was hopeless. Great burst athlete but hopless with options. Now he is pretty good. Licuria likewise has improved but more due to hard work on execution I think.

Anyway, in relation to the back 6, we do ok. Wakelin and Presti are pretty good at first option gives and know to give it to runners who know to run and make position. We generally clear quite well. We don;t have any champions or potential champion down back. We have a few natural defenders though and a couple of good creative runners. Until a Jacovich comes along that's all we'll ever have.
 
but if your given two conflicting messages

Originally posted by jabso
This doesn't exactly need to be on the Collingwood board. It could go on the AFL board.
When coaches say "trust your first instinct" I think it means if your in a pressure situation and see a good option don't risk looking for a better option just go with the first good option.
For instance Ben Johnson grabs the ball loose of the pack in pressure and sees Clement close to him free but instead he looks on to find someone furthur up the ground in space, in the time he looks for his second option he is tackled and pinged for holding the ball. Now he should of gone for his first option in Clement. Great players like Buckley can assess multiple options in a matter of half a second and execute it perfectly.

I don't disagree........but you still get coaches that when you try to pin them down by asking precisely what they mean they'll say,
"its bloody obvious you go with your gut instinct"....

what this means if a coach can't articulate precisely what he means when he says 'go with your first instinct' and then when they make a mistake they are told ' you made the wrong decision" (and I've heard coaches say this) the young players is given two conflicting messages and becomes confused
then you need to put them down.......................
 
Originally posted by MarkT
Decision making is complex thing. Firstly you have players who are born with "it". Those that are not can improve with experiance. Confindence is one of the most decisive factors week in week out though. By and large we had a team of hopless decision makers in the late 90's. Now we have a team of better decision makers but there is a way to go. When I look at Cole I see a bloke who makes far too many poor decision for my liking. I understand I am in the minority but to me he makes a poor decision and rushed into the execution because he is unsure and/or under the pump. I hope with experience and confidence he improves in that regard. When I watched Kinnear in the semi v Port I got very frustrated. He takes an eternity to asses his optiion and then has none left when has finished his assessment. He is the classic second rate footballer who will never be first rate. Then I olook at McKee who always seems to be in slow motion but generally gets the ball away effectively. Unfortunately he's a ruckman who can't ruck but that's another issue. Now if you want an example of how a player can improve in decision making take a look at Rocca. Frankly pre MM he was hopeless. Great burst athlete but hopless with options. Now he is pretty good. Licuria likewise has improved but more due to hard work on execution I think.

Anyway, in relation to the back 6, we do ok. Wakelin and Presti are pretty good at first option gives and know to give it to runners who know to run and make position. We generally clear quite well. We don;t have any champions or potential champion down back. We have a few natural defenders though and a couple of good creative runners. Until a Jacovich comes along that's all we'll ever have.

they get by because rather than 2 wanganeens, 2 b pickens and 2 silvagni's we have a group that work on moving thinking and acting as one...... thats called a 'system' .

Need it in soccer, basketball or AFL. In 2002 especially the system worked well and could adjust and adapt to cover whatever set of forwards and circumstances they were confronted with.

If it can be maintained again this year we should make the finals.

And hopefully the back 6 won't fall to pieces again in another grand final like last year.

its the old cliche about the choice between a team of champions versus a champion team.........
 
The back 6 didn't fall apart in the GF at all. The midfield was killed and the forwards were ineffective and played very little defense. The backs stood up reasonably well in the circumstances. Presti beat Brown yet again and Wakelin, while beaten, competed 1 on 1 as well as anyone ever does against Lynch - especially the way ball flowed forward. A couple of the smalls were disappointing. We didn’t lose because of the Brisbane forwards dominance we lost because we couldn’t create scoring opportunities and when we did we couldn't do anything with them.
 
I think that our back 6 stacks up with anyones. I think that if you looka t all games including the GF it's not the no name guys at the back who go missing, it's the bigger names in the midfield and forward area. Our back 6 working in tandem are great. Lets hope our midfield will one day be able toput it together like Brissys do on the big day, now that is a unit!!
 
Originally posted by MarkT
The back 6 didn't fall apart in the GF at all. The midfield was killed and the forwards were ineffective and played very little defense. The backs stood up reasonably well in the circumstances. Presti beat Brown yet again and Wakelin, while beaten, competed 1 on 1 as well as anyone ever does against Lynch - especially the way ball flowed forward. A couple of the smalls were disappointing. We didn’t lose because of the Brisbane forwards dominance we lost because we couldn’t create scoring opportunities and when we did we couldn't do anything with them.

Dont know if anyone else noticed but our set plays kicking out on GF day were woeful. So many times Clement went the long bomb and it just ended up coming straight back in. Couldnt understand why they didnt mix it up and chip the ball in a couple of times and work it forward rather than the high risk strategy of bombing it long. Blightly i believe always instructed his players not to take these risks on kick ins in big games such as grand finals. Lockyer may have been useful in this regard.

Was pretty disappointing given we had been the most effective team throughout the year in turning kick ins into goals.

Hopefully this was noted.
 
The set plays from the kick out were smothered by Brisbane. The sent numbers down to guard every space and then fought like men possessed to keep the ball in. They were brilliant and we once again had no plan B.
 

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Originally posted by MarkT
The set plays from the kick out were smothered by Brisbane. The sent numbers down to guard every space and then fought like men possessed to keep the ball in. They were brilliant and we once again had no plan B.

You have got a point. We couldn't get it out of our 50 metre arc yet they got it easily out of their's.

If the forwards aren't putting any defensive pressure on their backs the ball ends up that quickly down our end they have time to flood forward and lock us into a rugby mall.

I wrote something about our forwards lack of 'defensive ability'.

If I post one more long item people will choke so leave it for somewhere else......
 

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