Positives From Derby

[mitchzz]

Yep a few times where he kinda tried to pan but just stopped dead. Pissed me off, maybe it was just a newbie.

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

Swift got more of the ball but can't shrug the tackles like he could against 16 year olds, that will come with more training though and improved decision making.

 

[Eagle87]

Aaron Joseph?

Liam Picken?

Taggers.

Strangely guys that were added AFTER their sides developed an actual midfield. Whats the point tagging anyone if we have no-one who can hurt the team in an attacking sense?

My point was, and remains, that too many on here were taking up McGinnity - I mean in the votes thread someone actually gave him a vote FFS ....

He MAY become a tagger. He MAY become an AFL level player. Currently he has below average skills, some pace (although not great pace), and he works hard. He MIGHT make it. Did nothing today that warranted any actual praise. Again, we get over-excited by average talents who are young, hard working, give it their all types (hence the Priddis comparison).

I guess we will see....

 

[Eastern Rangers]

In all respect to Fremantle we where better, used the ball more efficently where more direct. Controlled more of the game and inspite of all of this our attack failed, we wasted it going inside 50 and there lame numbers back won the day. Tactically they where outplayed and only through indervidual goal efforts did they really get on the board, we scored on nearly half of all our inside 50's we had more inside 50's and more goal assists these say we had more of it and used it better in every area except infront of goals.

All the stats say we should have won nevermind the fact our side was younger and less experienced.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Strangely guys that were added AFTER their sides developed an actual midfield. Whats the point tagging anyone if we have no-one who can hurt the team in an attacking sense?

My point was, and remains, that too many on here were taking up McGinnity - I mean in the votes thread someone actually gave him a vote FFS ....

He MAY become a tagger. He MAY become an AFL level player. Currently he has below average skills, some pace (although not great pace), and he works hard. He MIGHT make it. Did nothing today that warranted any actual praise. Again, we get over-excited by average talents who are young, hard working, give it their all types (hence the Priddis comparison).

I guess we will see....

Showed more than the much more fancied S.Selwood today. We dont need more players like Priddis no, McGinity has everything needed to become an AFL player.

 

[Rids]

Yep Houlihan was about it for me as well - very impressive performance.

Although at the risk of incurring the wrath of E87 I thought McGinnity showed a fair bit as well - I guarantee if we had a few more "Priddis" types we would be going a whole lot better than 4 and 13.

 

[baconb]

I'll have to watch the replay (painful as it may be)... but at the game Swift looked completely lost whenever he got the ball... drew a player, then passed to noone, or someone under pressure, or spilled it, and his bounces are almost worse than NicNats

Don't watch the replay. You are 100% right, that is exactly how it happened. Not sure how people could be happy with his performance, he was shocking.

 

[ziad]

Houlihan and Swift do have real pace. We need it.
Nic lacks confidence but still has the X factor - set up a few from packs - we dont have another player who can do that at the moment. His pack mark attempt brought the ball to ground, set up a goal and took out an oposition player. all good and has been lacking
Kennedys hits - we need more of that. His presenting and marks also excelent.
Hurn back in form - moves through packs like a train
Paddy is very promising
Masten looks more like a quality key distributer of the Hodge type every game - he is still to complete a pre season
Sellwoods - go to war with them
genarally we are tackling much better
Glass is now more attacking and physical

 

[MaxHunt]

For those guys slagging of Priddis and Pat McG.

It is impossible to have only super class players due to, population, other leagues in this country and the number of top level teams.

However our silky players are currently either out or very young and small. Once they get bigger, strong and smarter, players like Priddis and Pat will be important to us.

Why should we stop developing them just because they are not first class and are more developed physically then others? Also why should we not commend them when they have a good game?

Doesn't make any sense.

 

[Eagle87]

For those guys slagging of Priddis and Pat McG.

It is impossible to have only super class players due to, population, other leagues in this country and the number of top level teams.

However our silky players are currently either out or very young and small. Once they get bigger, strong and smarter, players like Priddis and Pat will be important to us.

Why should we stop developing them just because they are not first class and are more developed physically then others? Also why should we not commend them when they have a good game?

Doesn't make any sense.

At the risk of drawing the ire of the terminally stupid, we are currently talking up McGinnity for absolutely no reason whatsoever. He did nothing yesterday except one kick to LeCras which anyone with basic skills could have made. LeCras had 3m on his opponent and was running towards goals into a completely open 50. All McGinnity did was kick it to the space - good on him but that was all he did.

Anyone at the game who saw anything more than that one kick and some effort is kidding themselves.

Thats my point i.e. we get excited about "hard work", "effort" and "toughness" - instead of talent, ability and important things. Probably the same fans that liked Troy Wilson

So its clear MaxHunt, there is no issue with commending anyone on a good game - but if you thought McGinnity had a good game yesterday, you need to grab a book on AFL, get hold of some DVD's of actual football teams and then after a few years of learning about the game, get back to us.

He tried hard and was bog ordinary. He showed a little last week. I was happy to see him get games and I hope he turns into a footballer - but the "warm fuzzies" he is getting on here make no sense as they are based on him having a "good game" and he simply didn't.

Seperately, on Priddis - surely people are now seeing the points I have been making all season long - he shouldnt be anywhere near our centre square set-up for 80%+ of the game and he WON'T be anything but a role player when we are good again. He is back to "get ball, throw on boot" or "get ball, handball 2m sideways to a stationary team mate" ... creates nothing, causes no harm to the opposition and butchers the ball horribly.... he is a stop gap in a shit midfield.

 

[Eagle87]

Showed more than the much more fancied S.Selwood today. We dont need more players like Priddis no. McGinity has everything needed to become an AFL player.

Bullshit. Apart from your middle sentence, that entire post is bollocks.

Were you drunk?

 

[Frodo]

The greatest positive is the outside chance of a priority draft pick. Our last one produced Judd!!
But we have to hope the Dees beat Richmond next week, to avoid a round 22 'who loses wins' situation. Being able to win, by losing, is surely a most stupid part of AFL.

I thought yesterday's game was scrappy, but then again there were only a dozen seasoned players out there. I thought we missed Cockie of the young crew, but if it weren't for the priority pick then Bones, Nico, Waters, Stenglein, Fletcher, Cox, Kerr, Hunter etc, would have been useful. Playing Nicnat is a bit of a joke. Three ruckmen? And Stinga left out? NicNat will be a champ, but at the moment he is more suited to under 18's footy than AFL. He just looks totally out of place. But yea, stick with him, I wouldn't want to lose to the Dockers and lose the priority pick.

McKinley scored 5, keep him in the WAFL. Don't promote Wilson. Don't want any goalscorers in the team, having LeCras is a worry, although he was played mostly in midfield yesterday (nice move Woosh)

 

[MaxHunt]

At the risk of drawing the ire of the terminally stupid, we are currently talking up McGinnity for absolutely no reason whatsoever. He did nothing yesterday except one kick to LeCras which anyone with basic skills could have made. LeCras had 3m on his opponent and was running towards goals into a completely open 50. All McGinnity did was kick it to the space - good on him but that was all he did.

Anyone at the game who saw anything more than that one kick and some effort is kidding themselves.

Thats my point i.e. we get excited about "hard work", "effort" and "toughness" - instead of talent, ability and important things. Probably the same fans that liked Troy Wilson

So its clear MaxHunt, there is no issue with commending anyone on a good game - but if you thought McGinnity had a good game yesterday, you need to grab a book on AFL, get hold of some DVD's of actual football teams and then after a few years of learning about the game, get back to us.

He tried hard and was bog ordinary. He showed a little last week. I was happy to see him get games and I hope he turns into a footballer - but the "warm fuzzies" he is getting on here make no sense as they are based on him having a "good game" and he simply didn't.

Seperately, on Priddis - surely people are now seeing the points I have been making all season long - he shouldnt be anywhere near our centre square set-up for 80%+ of the game and he WON'T be anything but a role player when we are good again. He is back to "get ball, throw on boot" or "get ball, handball 2m sideways to a stationary team mate" ... creates nothing, causes no harm to the opposition and butchers the ball horribly.... he is a stop gap in a shit midfield.

Didnt see the game as i am in Mexico on holiday thus didn't vote or comment on the game. And i cannot say whether he had a good game or not. I have to go by general consensus. I also have the benefit of removing emotion from this discussion.

The point i was/am making is that not every player will be class. Its impossible. Clearly both are not or have little chance of becoming A grade players. This does not mean that they should be cut or their position in the team is not valuable.

B grade players look and play alot better when they are around A graders. I believe we have the A graders, they just are not ready yet.

In addition how can you judge after a handful of games if a person will become a AFL player (RE: Your reply to EasternHills)? You can't, again its impossible.

You may well be right, but i will put my trust in the coaching staff who have delivered us a flag over someone who post's on bigfooty.

 

[Eagle87]

Didnt see the game as i am in Mexico on holiday thus didn't vote or comment on the game. And i cannot say whether he had a good game or not. I have to go by general consensus. I also have the benefit of removing emotion from this discussion.

The point i was/am making is that not every player will be class. Its impossible. Clearly both are not or have little chance of becoming A grade players. This does not mean that they should be cut or their position in the team is not valuable.

B grade players look and play alot better when they are around A graders. I believe we have the A graders, they just are not ready yet.

In addition how can you judge after a handful of games if a person will become a AFL player (RE: Your reply to EasternHills)? You can't, again its impossible.

You may well be right, but i will put my trust in the coaching staff who have delivered us a flag over someone who post's on bigfooty.

Well, lets just shut BF down then... as only AFL coaches get an opinion ...

Of course we can begin to form a view of players quite early, occasionally we are proved wrong - as are the coaches.

But lets put it this way, I was prepared to call Wilkes a bust after about 3 quarters .... I was also prepared to call Hunter a future very good player after the same amount of AFL .... these were based on (a) observations of them at earlier/lower levels and (b) discussions with coaches at those levels (whom I knew/know and (c) judgement based on years of watching and involvement in footy.

On that basis, I have said we shouldnt build around Priddis... at best a role player off the bench at this level and CLEARLY wouldnt be anywhere near any of the top 4 sides ..... McGinnity might make it but it will be a surprise... You want me to run through the list of players Eagles coaches have given some games to who didnt make it? That should put your smug "I'll trust the coaches" wank to bed then....

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

I liked McGinnitys game.

So far we've sussed out that he's a hard nut with pace who works hard. That's a fair amount to work with.

Yes, his skills aren't polished and he isn't overly smooth but teams need a balance between classy players and kamakazi desparados*.

Teams also need depth and I think this is why McGinnity is getting a lot of hype right now. People are thinking "It's official, McGinnity will be a handy depth player at worst. Nice find recruiting staff".

*Have people forgotten about Rojo already? What about Chick? Hell, Adam Selwood is barely more classy than McGinnity but we sure as **** like him.

EDIT: Also, Houlihan has bulked up a lot, I think. He's not a skinny bastard anymore and I actually thought he was Arrowsmith for a second, when I first saw him.

Plus, I must be the only one who thought Hurn played well. I guess I was blinded by the fact that he cut off a fair amount attacks for Fremantle? I don't know.

 

[Grenville Dietrich]

Have any of you Priddis knockers actually played the game?! The first thing you have to do is get the haggett, beautiful skills are outright useless if you can't get it, just ask Lewis Stevenson. Okay he doesn't use it as well as Cuz, Judd and some others but newsflash boys and girls not many people do. Give me Priddis any day thanks - has come so far in such a short space of time and will only get better as Kerr returns and the kids develop.

 

[sTeeL]

Priddis taking the tag really hurts him. Surprisingly though, he actually handles the tag better than Kerr who seems to disappear at times.

 

[Grenville Dietrich]

finally ...some sense from somebody who sounds like he might have played a bit!

 

[lewigie]

EDIT: Also, Houlihan has bulked up a lot, I think. He's not a skinny bastard anymore and I actually thought he was Arrowsmith for a second, when I first saw him.

Plus, I must be the only one who thought Hurn played well. I guess I was blinded by the fact that he cut off a fair amount attacks for Fremantle? I don't know.

I thought he was Ryan Davis!

Hurn lacked awareness, and his disposal was off from his last few games.

He also played on Ballantyne in the end

It seems he thinks he's faster than he actually is. Not saying he's slow though.

 

[Rids]

At the risk of drawing the ire of the terminally stupid, we are currently talking up McGinnity for absolutely no reason whatsoever. He did nothing yesterday except one kick to LeCras which anyone with basic skills could have made. LeCras had 3m on his opponent and was running towards goals into a completely open 50. All McGinnity did was kick it to the space - good on him but that was all he did.

Anyone at the game who saw anything more than that one kick and some effort is kidding themselves.

Thats my point i.e. we get excited about "hard work", "effort" and "toughness" - instead of talent, ability and important things. Probably the same fans that liked Troy Wilson

So its clear MaxHunt, there is no issue with commending anyone on a good game - but if you thought McGinnity had a good game yesterday, you need to grab a book on AFL, get hold of some DVD's of actual football teams and then after a few years of learning about the game, get back to us.

He tried hard and was bog ordinary. He showed a little last week. I was happy to see him get games and I hope he turns into a footballer - but the "warm fuzzies" he is getting on here make no sense as they are based on him having a "good game" and he simply didn't.

Seperately, on Priddis - surely people are now seeing the points I have been making all season long - he shouldnt be anywhere near our centre square set-up for 80%+ of the game and he WON'T be anything but a role player when we are good again. He is back to "get ball, throw on boot" or "get ball, handball 2m sideways to a stationary team mate" ... creates nothing, causes no harm to the opposition and butchers the ball horribly.... he is a stop gap in a shit midfield.

Eagle87 - In addition to doing some very good things with ball in possession (can't believe you are talking down that pass to Le Cras - that was absolutely top shelf and Le Cras would have been lucky to have 3 feet on his opponent) McGinnity spent the majority (not all but a high portion of his total TOG) as a defensive forward on Duffield who has been in very good form for the Dockers. I thought he did a really good job shutting him down keeping him to just a handful of possessions in the time that he spent on Duffield.

With respect to Priddis - I agree his kicking is substandard. However, I think you will find if you take your anti-Priddis blinkers off his handballing is actually quite creative and amongst the best in the Eagles side. Priddis would surely be heading for another top 5 B&F finish this season (I think that would be his 3rd) and will become an exceptionally important player as an elite ball winner (as distinct from ball user) once some of the more talented youngsters get enough experience to begin to feed of Priddis' grunt work more effectively.

 

[Tooks]

A couple positives for me were in the first quarter, Ballantyne going up for an almost uncontested mark but Mitch Brown threw himself at the pack and almost breaking Ballantyne in half. Second one was about 2 min later when Glass did pretty much the same thing on the goal line. Next thing I know he was off the ground ...

 

[Eagle87]

Eagle87 - In addition to doing some very good things with ball in possession (can't believe you are talking down that pass to Le Cras - that was absolutely top shelf and Le Cras would have been lucky to have 3 feet on his opponent) McGinnity spent the majority (not all but a high portion of his total TOG) as a defensive forward on Duffield who has been in very good form for the Dockers. I thought he did a really good job shutting him down keeping him to just a handful of possessions in the time that he spent on Duffield.

With respect to Priddis - I agree his kicking is substandard. However, I think you will find if you take your anti-Priddis blinkers off his handballing is actually quite creative and amongst the best in the Eagles side. Priddis would surely be heading for another top 5 B&F finish this season (I think that would be his 3rd) and will become an exceptionally important player as an elite ball winner (as distinct from ball user) once some of the more talented youngsters get enough experience to begin to feed of Priddis' grunt work more effectively.

There is actually not a single thing I agree with in that post. Not one. You have no clue.

Naitanui has dished off more creative handballs in his short career to date than Priddis has in the 10 years I have been watching him - since juniors. Priddis remains a guy who can get it and still that remains his only AFL level skill. In an era in which ball use is more important than ever and pace is an absolute essential - because of the use of zones - Priddis is well below average in both categories and plays only a role (as a mid) that requires those skills - ideally both but certainly at least one - to be elite.

But you have a man crush on Priddis and as such your aberrant views are understandable .... weird and misplaced ... but understandable.

By the way, on the pass. I was directly behind McGinnity (in a box on that half forward line/wing) and LeCras had 3m on his opponent.

 

[Eagle87]

Have any of you Priddis knockers actually played the game?! The first thing you have to do is get the haggett, beautiful skills are outright useless if you can't get it, just ask Lewis Stevenson. Okay he doesn't use it as well as Cuz, Judd and some others but newsflash boys and girls not many people do. Give me Priddis any day thanks - has come so far in such a short space of time and will only get better as Kerr returns and the kids develop.

Grenville ..... not much of a player and not much of a clue it seems.

In answer to your question, Yes. And inevitably at a higher level and with more actual achievement than you ... buts thats hardly the point.

Getting the footy is indeed fundamental. That said, in modern footy precision ball use is paramount. To have a bloke who can play in no other position but attacking mid who is an absolute liability with the ball in hand is problematic.

When that bloke is 24 (will be 25 when next season starts) has always been slow and had ordinary disposal in over 10 years of watching him that suggests this is as good as it gets.....

Priddis is a crab and is well below AFL standard in all areas of his game except getting it (and maybe, if I was being kind, inside tackling) - his tumble punts to the 50m line almost always simply set up the other teams attack and his sideways handballs to a stationary team mate are equally inspiring.

He is the sort of guy that gets mass ground time in a very very ordinary side - this groups Richard Taylor. He may be a rotation mid when we are next any good.

But yeh, he gets the aggett......

 

[Rids]

Wow I dare disagree with Eagle87 so "I have no clue" and my views are "aberrant, weird and misplaced" - hmmm interesting approach you have there.

It is absolute fact that McGinnity spent a good portion of his TOG playing as a forward tagger on Duffield - I have the stats that can support that.

The rest is purely opinion based and I can live with the fact that you disagree with me (although for the record I think I have you covered in terms of view of the game) and you'll just have to accept that I will maintain that I believe my opinions aren't aberrant, weird and misplaced and that there may even be some others out there (misguided fools no doubt!) that agree with me.

 

[Clay Davis]

There is actually not a single thing I agree with in that post. Not one. You have no clue.

Naitanui has dished off more creative handballs in his short career to date than Priddis has in the 10 years I have been watching him - since juniors. Priddis remains a guy who can get it and still that remains his only AFL level skill. In an era in which ball use is more important than ever and pace is an absolute essential - because of the use of zones - Priddis is well below average in both categories and plays only a role (as a mid) that requires those skills - ideally both but certainly at least one - to be elite.

But you have a man crush on Priddis and as such your aberrant views are understandable .... weird and misplaced ... but understandable.

By the way, on the pass. I was directly behind McGinnity (in a box on that half forward line/wing) and LeCras had 3m on his opponent.

For someone who doesn't live in the country, you seem to know a lot about players in juniors.

Western businessman lives in Thailand and likes watching junior footy. Hmm ...