Possible ruck solution

[Stiffy_18]

I asked this on the other thread but I thought it would be good to put it to poll to see how majority of Crows supporters feel.

Jamie Charman is yet to sign a contract with Brisbane. IMHO, he is one of the best young up and coming ruckman in the competition.

Would you be prepared to trade away our pick 14 for him??????

I would

 

[Bockchoy67]

If he was willing to come to Adelaide after a Premiership, I would think it would be a great deal.

However, I don't think Pick 14 would be enough for the Lions.

Jamie Charman an extremely talented Ruckman, who played perhaps his best game in this year's Grand Final. He's a powerful presence, can take a mark, and hits it boomingly out of the center square.

I say a perfect deal.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Bockchoy67
However, I don't think Pick 14 would be enough for the Lions.

I would be prepared to offer a bit more

 

[Bockchoy67]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I would be prepared to offer a bit more

Any players you have in mind Stiffy?

Someone important to our team or one of our "tradebait" players.

IMO opinion I would pick the later option, but what's your view?

 

[Jerome]

Originally posted by Bockchoy67
If he was willing to come to Adelaide after a Premiership, I would think it would be a great deal.

However, I don't think Pick 14 would be enough for the Lions.

Jamie Charman an extremely talented Ruckman, who played perhaps his best game in this year's Grand Final. He's a powerful presence, can take a mark, and hits it boomingly out of the center square.

I say a perfect deal.

Spot on.

I'd go for him. I'd be pretty happy with AFC if we could secure him.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Bockchoy67
Any players you have in mind Stiffy?

Someone important to our team or one of our "tradebait" players.

IMO opinion I would pick the later option, but what's your view?

One of our trade bait players. Although I am not sure we have what Brisbane need so 3 way deal would not be out of the question.

 

[spindoctor]

Yep, probably worth it, my only question is will he dominate games?

Maybe pick 14, or pick 14 plus a Gallagher or Doughty or the like.

 

[Bockchoy67]

Originally posted by spindoctor
Yep, probably worth it, my only question is will he dominate games?

He's not as dominating as Keating, but still packs in a massive thump of the ball in the ruck and he is a very athletic and versatile footballer for his height.

Not dominating but still very talented.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by spindoctor
Gallagher or Doughty or the like.

You're kidding yourself if you think you can offload these two to the Lions. They'd be a waste of space to the team that has the strongest midfield in the league.

 

[DaveW]

As for the question.

I'm not sure... I'd prefer a quality KPP to a quality ruckman.

I'd like to see us keep a first round draft pick this year.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I just heard a bit of a whisper (not from my source, just here say I assume) that Ottens will be up for grabs for a suitable offer.

If this is true, time to make a move I say

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I just heard a bit of a whisper (not from my source, just here say I assume) that Ottens will be up for grabs for a suitable offer.

There's a fair chance he'll go to Essendon as part of the Solomon trade.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
There's a fair chance he'll go to Essendon as part of the Solomon trade.

Essendon couldn't afford his salary. He would be on higher money than Solomon.

I see hawks want a player for Rawlings. How about:

Goodwin to Hawks
Rawlings to Kangaroos
Solomon and Pick 25 (from Hawthorn) to Richmond
Ottens to Adelaide
Pick 9 to Essendon

Might need a bit of sweetening here and there but I would be thrilled with that.

Then

Perrie to Western Bulldogs
Pick 19 to Adelaide

 

[DaveW]

Essendon badly need a ruckman.

With Hird and Mercuri going on to the vets list they may have room. Then again, they may have backloaded these contracts to the hilt - like they usually do - in anticipation for them going on the vets list and still be left with negligible cap room.

They did get rid of Soloman because they can't afford him necessarily. But because he wasn't worth what he was asking. So they've offloaded him to avoid salary cap problems later on. It looks like they're finally learning something there at Windy Hill.

As for your trade, I'm not even going to begin to try and figure it out whilst you have pick 9 (which is the Kangaroos?) going in two directions.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
Essendon badly need a ruckman.

With Hird and Mercuri going on to the vets list they may have room. Then again, they may have backloaded these contracts to the hilt - like they usually do - in anticipation for them going on the vets list and still be left with negligible cap room.

They did get rid of Soloman because they can't afford him necessarily. But because he wasn't worth what he was asking. So they've offloaded him to avoid salary cap problems later on. It looks like they're finally learning something there at Windy Hill.

As for your trade, I'm not even going to begin to try and figure it out whilst you have pick 9 (which is the Kangaroos?) going in two directions.

Maybe BUT Essendon have emarasment of riches whenit comes to young ruckman. Hille is really coming on and Laycock is coming through the system. They also have a good prospect in O'Keefe (??).

Essendon are still struglling with cap room (Mecuri's contract is killing them) Lloyd and Hird are on massive contract. I still think they couldn't afford Ottens. I would have thought they are in greater need of pace in the midfield.

Having said all that I think AFC would not trade Goodwin even if they get Ottens in return.

BTW, Esendon get Pick 9 via Richmond for Solomon

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
BTW, Esendon get Pick 9 via Richmond for Solomon

Richmond can't be that dumb, can they?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
Richmond can't be that dumb, can they?

Hey they are offering Brown $500K a yera and Solomon $380K a year.

They also said they are expecting 1st and 2nd round picks for en Holland.

Does that answer your question??????

 

[spindoctor]

Ottens would be a good pick-up, still young and very good when he isn't over-used like Richmond tried to do...playing him forward, back and ruck is not good for his longevity during the season.

Essendon might take a look at some our midfield extras...such as Gallagher and Doughty, we could get Ottens for them and a draft pick to Richmond who could on-trade them to Essendon for Solomon.

 

[lozstar]

I'd rather get Charman than ship off Goodwin to Hawthorn

(i hate trade week! )

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by spindoctor
Ottens would be a good pick-up, still young and very good when he isn't over-used like Richmond tried to do...playing him forward, back and ruck is not good for his longevity during the season.

Essendon might take a look at some our midfield extras...such as Gallagher and Doughty, we could get Ottens for them and a draft pick to Richmond who could on-trade them to Essendon for Solomon.

If we are to get Ottens it would take a hell of a lot more than what you mentioned.

If we really want him we have to say goodbye to someone like Goodwin

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by lozstar
I'd rather get Charman than ship off Goodwin to Hawthorn

With me its a no brainer. i would rather have Ottens than Goodwin

As much as I like Goodwin, Ottens would be much more valuable to our team

 

[lozstar]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
With me its a no brainer. i would rather have Ottens than Goodwin

As much as I like Goodwin, Ottens would be much more valuable to our team

I would too.. But Goody was playing alright until he got injured, so once he's all over that next year he'll be playing like he should be..

So instead of getting rid of an important player like him, it'd be better to get Charman (I'm guessing he wouldn't cost as much as Ottens would?) it'd be a win win situation that way!

... Or if Ottens gets #36, I'll be happy

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by lozstar
I would too.. But Goody was playing alright until he got injured, so once he's all over that next year he'll be playing like he should be..

So instead of getting rid of an important player like him, it'd be better to get Charman (I'm guessing he wouldn't cost as much as Ottens would?) it'd be a win win situation that way!

... Or if Ottens gets #36, I'll be happy

Doesn't matter. Good midfielders are easier to find than good ruckman.

Goody is 27 and has 5 years max left. Ottens is 23 and has 7-8 years left. You gotta give quality to get quality. While losing Goody will leave a bit of a hole in our midfield, we get a gun ruckman.

Charman is a good prospect but nowhere near as good as Ottens

 

[spindoctor]

This is true

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by DaveW
Essendon badly need a ruckman.

With Hird and Mercuri going on to the vets list they may have room. Then again, they may have backloaded these contracts to the hilt - like they usually do - in anticipation for them going on the vets list and still be left with negligible cap room.

They did get rid of Soloman because they can't afford him necessarily. But because he wasn't worth what he was asking. So they've offloaded him to avoid salary cap problems later on. It looks like they're finally learning something there at Windy Hill.

Essendon would be having their normal salary cap problems IMO, thanks mainly to a back end loaded Hird contract which is rumoured to be close to a million dollars for 2004. On top of that Mercuri is on at least $400,000 and isn't up to it any more.

As for the poll, I'd take Charman in a heartbeat for pick 14 if we could. He really does have a future.

As much as it would hurt to lose Goody, if we could do a trade - which I doubt - for Ottens, then we should as players like Ottens are rarely available.