Post Game - 1st Semi Final - Carlton v West Coast

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Surely you can't be serious....why such sarcasm? As far as I was aware hammer being injured was just speculation, didn't he travel to Subi as an emergency? Any how mate take a chill pill, didn't realise being a mod gave you special privileges to be a pr___k....maybe you have a bit of small man syndrome...maybe yr name should be smallsizered

You criticised the Match Committee without being privy to all the relevant information.

Too often our supporters are quick to criticise various aspects of the club without being in possession of all the facts. It is as if there is a belief by some that the coaching staff, match committee, board etc are deliberately setting out to sabotage our on-field efforts.

I am extremely confident that those charged with the responsibility of guiding our club to premiership #17, & beyond, are doing everything in their power to see this through. If they determine that Hampson, or Bower, or Russell etc etc are not fit enough or in good enough form to warrant selection, then I'm inclined to believe such decisions are being made on a sound basis.

 

[Dramoth]

Yep Darcy is d'head

There was ever any doubt?

 

[OldBlueFan]

I have not watched game again but remember us going 3rd man up a couple of times and losing

I need selling on Hammer being injured as excuse for not picking him. How many emergencies did we take over there ????

I have now remembered Bower but going in with one ruckman - if something happened to Warnock pre game , I figure they were going to play Hammer

You know, it's starting to get a little annoying that in a game where:

A) We lost by 3 points.
B) 2 WC goals were touched just over the line (one of which I am not convinced of).
C) JK kicked a goal that not only took a leg break, but also bounced just out of Armfield's reach, bounced backwards and then forwards!
D) Murph missed two and Simmo one, very gettable goal(s).
E) LeCras got a goal after an obvious free that wasn't paid to Duigan, and;
F) Walker could easily have gotten paid for a hold in the goalsquare.

AND YET PEOPLE STILL WANT TO BLAME THE MC FOR THE LOSS!!!!

It's totally beyond the pale folks. Really.

The MC went into this game with the idea that pace and quick ball movement was the best tactic against this team and the facts listed above prove that they got it right. The only thing they couldn't do was provide the ounce of luck the team needed.

 

[The Coach]

You know, it's starting to get a little annoying that in a game where:

A) We lost by 3 points.
B) 2 WC goals were touched just over the line (one of which I am not convinced of).
C) JK kicked a goal that not only took a leg break, but also bounced just out of Armfield's reach, bounced backwards and then forwards!
D) Murph missed two and Simmo one, very gettable goal(s).
E) LeCras got a goal after an obvious free that wasn't paid to Duigan, and;
F) Walker could easily have gotten paid for a hold in the goalsquare.

AND YET PEOPLE STILL WANT TO BLAME THE MC FOR THE LOSS!!!!

It's totally beyond the pale folks. Really.

The MC went into this game with the idea that pace and quick ball movement was the best tactic against this team and the facts listed above prove that they got it right. The only thing they couldn't do was provide the ounce of luck the team needed.

Everything you list is irrelevant. The result is even somewhat irrelevant. We lost the ruck as you would expect with one against two. If Hammer was fit enough to be emergency then he should have played (had some reasonable forward form too).

ps Having a 2nd ruck would have not reduced our quick ball movement - which did not exactly happen, esp from the backs

 

[The_Wookie]

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[Tanks_Alot]

You know, it's starting to get a little annoying that in a game where:

A) We lost by 3 points.
B) 2 WC goals were touched just over the line (one of which I am not convinced of).
C) JK kicked a goal that not only took a leg break, but also bounced just out of Armfield's reach, bounced backwards and then forwards!
D) Murph missed two and Simmo one, very gettable goal(s).
E) LeCras got a goal after an obvious free that wasn't paid to Duigan, and;
F) Walker could easily have gotten paid for a hold in the goalsquare.

AND YET PEOPLE STILL WANT TO BLAME THE MC FOR THE LOSS!!!!

It's totally beyond the pale folks. Really.

The MC went into this game with the idea that pace and quick ball movement was the best tactic against this team and the facts listed above prove that they got it right. The only thing they couldn't do was provide the ounce of luck the team needed.

Funny how you list all the things that went against us in terms of luck. The real problem was selecting Davies. Gave away 2 goals, one of which was amongst the dumbest things I've ever seen from a footballer. Every one talks about his job on LeCras, well, Davies was moved forward and LeCras still did FA.

Do you honestly believe that putting Davies forward helped our fast ball movement? And do you honestly believe Hampson wouldn't have offered more as a forward target as well as a backup ruckman than Davies did all night? Setant certainly isn't up to it in the ruck, but we were forced to put him there at times and that effectively removed our only tall target up forward.

This crap about Hammer getting injured on the Friday is just dribble from people making excuses for the MC. The teams were announced on Thursday and Hammer wasn't in then either, he was only an emergency.

I can however accept that they will do things differently to the way I see things, but I cannot accept a dumb, selfish, reckless act by a player in a cut throat final.

 

[OldBlueFan]

Funny how you list all the things that went against us in terms of luck. The real problem was selecting Davies. Gave away 2 goals, one of which was amongst the dumbest things I've ever seen from a footballer. Every one talks about his job on LeCras, well, Davies was moved forward and LeCras still did FA.

Do you honestly believe that putting Davies forward helped our fast ball movement? And do you honestly believe Hampson wouldn't have offered more as a forward target as well as a backup ruckman than Davies did all night? Setant certainly isn't up to it in the ruck, but we were forced to put him there at times and that effectively removed our only tall target up forward.

This crap about Hammer getting injured on the Friday is just dribble from people making excuses for the MC. The teams were announced on Thursday and Hammer wasn't in then either, he was only an emergency.

I can however accept that they will do things differently to the way I see things, but I cannot accept a dumb, selfish, reckless act by a player in a cut throat final.

What I believe is that if we'd won the game, no-one would be saying anything about the MC's selection decisions, we'd be too busy congratulating the team and speculating about an upcoming Prelim against Geelong.

If any one of the incidents I mentioned had gone the other way, so would the game. If several of them had gone the other way, we would have won by several goals.

You say stopping LeCras in the first half was nothing, and yet he kicked what ended up being the winning goal in the last quarter, I don't think I'd call that FA.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Everything you list is irrelevant. The result is even somewhat irrelevant. We lost the ruck as you would expect with one against two. If Hammer was fit enough to be emergency then he should have played (had some reasonable forward form too).

ps Having a 2nd ruck would have not reduced our quick ball movement - which did not exactly happen, esp from the backs

He failed a fitness test after he flew there.

Eagles smashed the Pies in the ruck in the QF but the Pies smashed them at the stoppages. Pies play one against two in the ruck most weeks. Maybe we should've looked more at what was happen as the base of the ruck contest rather than tap outs per se itself. We knew we were going to lose in the tap out department, prepare for it. The most influential ruckmen are the one's that smash it up around the ground not so much the ruck contest itself. Then they're powerhouses. Not having a big forward target hurt waaaaay more. No Waite, no Kreuzer, losing Thornton.

If we had Waite and/or Gibbs we'd have won despite the rucks. We can combine our arguments and say if we had Kreuzer we'd have won.

 

[Silvagnis]

Tanks_alot overlooked the fact that Davies AND Jamison only went forward after Thornton was knocked out. Davies had kept LeCras quiet for most of the night. That free to Darling wasn't the worst thing ever. Huge overreaction with half a game to be played. I think LeCras sealed the game after Davies was moved off him and they didn't pay a mark to Duigan. I haven't watched a replay, only the highlights on the game analyser.

You would never drop Davies to play a tall like Hampson. Carlos competed well to outbody their defenders as a forward, but had to ruck. Our structure really fell down because Thornton was out of the match. Tuohy had to be activated earlier than we had planned, so we were also short on fresh legs late in the game.

You could point the finger at Joseph or Walker for not mannning up on Hurn.

Love the fickle set.

Henderson is now the man after he was jeered against Hawthorn and Essendon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHW40ebW5-o

Interesting to hear Scott mention Bower and Hampson as notable absentees...Scott would have watched Hampson and Bower help knock one of Norf's reserves sides out of the finals...Like it.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

What I believe is that if we'd won the game, no-one would be saying anything about the MC's selection decisions, we'd be too busy congratulating the team and speculating about an upcoming Prelim against Geelong.

If any one of the incidents I mentioned had gone the other way, so would the game. If several of them had gone the other way, we would have won by several goals.

You say stopping LeCras in the first half was nothing, and yet he kicked what ended up being the winning goal in the last quarter, I don't think I'd call that FA.

That match winning goal was after Duigan wasn't given a free, it should never have happened. He only got the ball because we were cheated by the umps.

They kicked 8 goals in that second quarter thank god Davies was there to stop LeCras from adding another few

Oh wait, he just gave away 2 goals anyway...

They hardly even kicked to LeCras FFS it's not like it was a herioc defensive effort.

As for The_General, Thornton was on the ground for the entire second quarter which is where we lost the game IINM we outscored them in every other quarter. So you're wrong about our structure falling down because Thornton was out, if anything with Touhy replacing Davies in defense we were actually doing better.

Just because Davies is one of your favorites you'll defend him as much as possible, but anybody with any understanding would know that Davies being selected is what cost us the match. We wouldn't have to worry about all these little incidents going our way because I guarantee you, Touhy could've played the whole game in place of Davies and Hammer wouldn't have given away 2 goals especially one where he throws a player onto the ground in the goalsquare in front of 3 umpires and he would've added to our ruck and our forward options, not to mention the fact that he can run so the large ground wouldn't have worried him one bit.

 

[Blue since 72]

As far as I'm concerned this game was lost in the midfield. Our forward structure wasn't great but their mids, mainly Kerr and Priddis got the ball more and worked harder.

Judd was very quiet, Murph was our best but down on his best, I didn't see much of Robo in there, ellard was ellard but he's slow and small, no Gibbs, no Ed.

Nicnat tired in the 2nd half and stopped jumping over 206 but they still got the ball away quicker and easier than we did.

 

[ESKIE]

As far as I'm concerned this game was lost in the midfield. Our forward structure wasn't great but their mids, mainly Kerr and Priddis got the ball more and worked harder.

Judd was very quiet, Murph was our best but down on his best, I didn't see much of Robo in there, ellard was ellard but he's slow and small, no Gibbs, no Ed.

Nicnat tired in the 2nd half and stopped jumping over 206 but they still got the ball away quicker and easier than we did.

Robbo you;re kidding right ?

 

[parbuster]

Agree that the primary reason for the loss was through the midfield.

We basically set up at centre bounces with one short for the entire game. How the coaching panel allowed the Judd/Selwood contest to go on for so long is mind boggling.
Anyone of Walker, Betts, Scotland, Garlett or Joseph could have been rotated through here to mix things up much earlier in the game, while giving Judd a chance in the air down forward.

I also couldn't understand why Tuohy was marking LeCras in the last quarter when he had indicated an ability to kick a big goal (not for the first time).
Mark my word. He's a serious player. What he has done in one year of his entire football career is remarkable.

Finally, Yarran was not used effectively or with any imagination until it was too late.

Remember Sheedy in '93 ? That what Ratten and Co. failed to imagine last Saturday.

 

[blue gunslinger]

That match winning goal was after Duigan wasn't given a free, it should never have happened. He only got the ball because we were cheated by the umps.

They kicked 8 goals in that second quarter thank god Davies was there to stop LeCras from adding another few

Oh wait, he just gave away 2 goals anyway...

They hardly even kicked to LeCras FFS it's not like it was a herioc defensive effort.

As for The_General, Thornton was on the ground for the entire second quarter which is where we lost the game IINM we outscored them in every other quarter. So you're wrong about our structure falling down because Thornton was out, if anything with Touhy replacing Davies in defense we were actually doing better.

Just because Davies is one of your favorites you'll defend him as much as possible, but anybody with any understanding would know that Davies being selected is what cost us the match. We wouldn't have to worry about all these little incidents going our way because I guarantee you, Touhy could've played the whole game in place of Davies and Hammer wouldn't have given away 2 goals especially one where he throws a player onto the ground in the goalsquare in front of 3 umpires and he would've added to our ruck and our forward options, not to mention the fact that he can run so the large ground wouldn't have worried him one bit.

I am no fan of Davies. BUT when his direct opp was on the lead he either stuck with him or pushed him deep into pockets where he was no chance. In that regard he was good as his closing speed and reaction time was great. Yet his muscle/body work and decision making when the ball was in flight or in dispute close to goals was very ordinary. Maybe he will learn from his mistakes I don't know but if he does he could be a very good player. But he has a long way to go. I am sure the MC has made it clear what he needs to do

 

[Blue since 72]

Robbo you;re kidding right ?

Agreed, my mistake.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Greg Swann just confirmed in SEN that Hampson had rolled his ankle during the week leading up. They still took him to Perth just in case but he didn't come up.

Wonder how the Eagles would've gone missing Nic Nat, Kennedy, Kerr, Darling after half time and have Glass at 75%. Essentially our problem missing Kreuzer, Waite, Gibbs, losing Thornton after half time and having Jammo at 75% after a long stint out. We'd have belted them

 

[Blue since 72]

Agree that the primary reason for the loss was through the midfield.

We basically set up at centre bounces with one short for the entire game. How the coaching panel allowed the Judd/Selwood contest to go on for so long is mind boggling.
Anyone of Walker, Betts, Scotland, Garlett or Joseph could have been rotated through here to mix things up much earlier in the game, while giving Judd a chance in the air down forward.

I also couldn't understand why Tuohy was marking LeCras in the last quarter when he had indicated an ability to kick a big goal (not for the first time).
Mark my word. He's a serious player. What he has done in one year of his entire football career is remarkable.

Finally, Yarran was not used effectively or with any imagination until it was too late.

Remember Sheedy in '93 ? That what Ratten and Co. failed to imagine last Saturday.

Couldn't agree more. Selwood was even getting away and setting up forward thrusts while Judd jogged after him.

I can understand him struggling with the bigger bodies of a Sewell or Lewis but Scott Selwood is hardly a frightening prospect.

I'm genuinely surprised that both Judd and Ratten have said he wasn't carrying any injury; he certainly looked like an old man out there.

Re Tuohy, he looks like he might be a better forward than a defender.
Wonder if he has the skills and could develop a tank for the midfield, big solid boy with plenty of run and knows where the goals are.

 

[parrot]

Bit frustrating watching this over-rated, slow Weagles side fall apart in a screaming heap V Cats. We would have really pushed the Cats today at the G had we got through, especially with Gibbs back. We were very close this year. Missing out on the double chance because of the Weagles spoon-reward soft draw, and that Razor umpiring farce cost us ultimately.

 

[ESKIE]

Agree, limp effort by the Eagles, playing like a team with no belief, Blues would have dished it right up at the G.

Cats were more than happy that we were beaten, can see why

 

[Giblet]

Geez. Wet Toast didn't make a dent today. We would have taken it up to the Cats. Wasted opportunity. Care of razor Ray.

 

[ndot]

Bit frustrating watching this over-rated, slow Weagles side fall apart in a screaming heap V Cats. We would have really pushed the Cats today at the G had we got through, especially with Gibbs back. We were very close this year. Missing out on the double chance because of the Weagles spoon-reward soft draw, and that Razor umpiring farce cost us ultimately.

if only you didn't lose to the eagles on your home ground

if only the ump had paid a soft free to grant you a finals win

if only...

 

[Beloved]

if only you didn't lose to the eagles on your home ground

if only the ump had paid a soft free to grant you a finals win

if only...

Have you got a purpose over here or something?

 

[yibbida]

Have you got a purpose over here or something?

After the way the Egirls played today who could blame him if he wanted to change teams...

They won't get that close to a GF for a few more years.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

if only you didn't lose to the eagles on your home ground

if only the ump had paid a soft free to grant you a finals win

if only...

LOL Jihad stadium is not our true home ground, that be the MCG pal.

Face the facts you guys are shit, Kreuzer, Gibbs, Waite all missing and Thornton after half time, your home ground, umps gifting you about 5 goals from free kicks and still you barely fell over the line. The writing was on the wall that Geelong would be in another GF thanks to you cheating pretenders.

 

[Kades_Dad]

I know that this is a very long bow to draw, but I think our effort last week has cost Collingwood the Grand Final. I'm not upset about this.

- Collingwood had a tough as nails game that they scraped in against the Hawks.
- Geelong had a walkover after we wore out the Eagles last week.
- Geelong should be so much fresher and should run over Collingwood.

*cough* Go Cats *groan*