Discussion Prison Bars debate

[acm21]

Norwood = Melbourne without the red yoke.

Similar, but not the same.

Glenelg == Richmond
PB =/= Collingwood.

I must apologise I meant west Adelaide. But my point is, after agreeing with your point, is that it is very understandable why many would think the pb and Collingwood are too similar for port to use on a regular basis. And also that if they did want to use a sanfl kit there would be other versions which would be good to use.

 

[hitthepost]

I must apologise I meant west Adelaide. But my point is, after agreeing with your point, is that it is very understandable why many would think the pb and Collingwood are too similar for port to use on a regular basis. And also that if they did want to use a sanfl kit there would be other versions which would be good to use.

Which other Port guernsey is synonomous with a dynasty of state premierships?
I get it too but I don't get the total "this should never ever happen and never again" of Eddie, like no other team ever anywhere has ever worn b&w stripeys before.

 

[acm21]

Which other Port guernsey is synonomous with a dynasty of state premierships?
I get it too but I don't get the total "this should never ever happen and never again" of Eddie, like no other team ever anywhere has ever worn b&w stripeys before.

They do have a lot of premierships so I’m sure they could work something out. I think personally it would be better to keep it as a jumper they use every now and again, with a rotation of jerseys based on different eras (including those worn since they joined the league)


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[Fizzler]

They do have a lot of premierships so I’m sure they could work something out. I think personally it would be better to keep it as a jumper they use every now and again, with a rotation of jerseys based on different eras (including those worn since they joined the league)


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We’re not trying to wear the PBs for the fun of it and for the sake of wearing a SANFL jumper. We want to wear it because it quintessentially Port Adelaide, and it is the jumper our fans associate with us. Nobody associates us with a magenta or light blue jumper before anything else.

 

[HTT]

If Glenelg joined the AFL in 2020 and wanted to retain its current jumper, do you seriously think Richmond would have no issues with this?

Probably, because it’s a bit more than similar colours being used.

Did Carlton and Geelong have any issues with sharing a colour set?

 

[hitthepost]

We’re not trying to wear the PBs for the fun of it and for the sake of wearing a SANFL jumper. We want to wear it because it quintessentially Port Adelaide, and it is the jumper our fans associate with us. Nobody associates us with a magenta or light blue jumper before anything else.

Plus how many of Port's 3000 premierships were won in the PB?

 

[Freshwater]

I have never understood why Port Adelaide hasn’t worn the prison bars in different colours. The PB’s are iconic to Port, a beautiful Aussie rules template. Queensland state of origin used to wear maroon prison bars and looked great. Geelong Football League wear navy and white prison bars and look great. Grey? Teal? Light grey and black would be superb. Collingwood would have no say, and Port keep some of the iconic history. The modern jumper is ok, it looks like an Aussie rules jumper, better that the lightening bolt but not iconic with no history because both template and colours different. You can’t have to colours so keep the template. And do it wisely with similar colours. With a light grey base there is no clash with anyone.

 

[hitthepost]

I have never understood why Port Adelaide hasn’t worn the prison bars in different colours. The PB’s are iconic to Port, a beautiful Aussie rules template. Queensland state of origin used to wear maroon prison bars and looked great. Geelong Football League wear navy and white prison bars and look great. Grey? Teal? Light grey and black would be superb. Collingwood would have no say, and Port keep some of the iconic history. The modern jumper is ok, it looks like an Aussie rules jumper, better that the lightening bolt but not iconic with no history because both template and colours different. You can’t have to colours so keep the template. And do it wisely with similar colours. With a light grey base there is no clash with anyone.

Would the Dogs wear hoops as yellow and red on a green background to satisfy another royal red and white team who was in the comp earlier?

 

[Freshwater]

Would the Dogs wear hoops as yellow and red on a green background to satisfy another royal red and white team who was in the comp earlier?

I don’t think they should use any silly colours. They have history with black, white, grey and teal so why wouldn’t you use them colours in any combination, except just black and white alone. I don’t think we could possibly use red white and blue if there were another club already in the competition with those colours. I personally love the hoops, but our hoops aren’t as iconic and original in the way that Ports PB’s are with them. Our colours are our ‘brand’ more than the ‘hoops’.
I just think it only needs a little bit of thinking with design and history Port could have a wonderful jumper that would have the future and past in one ongoing jumper.

 

[hitthepost]

I don’t think they should use any silly colours. They have history with black, white, grey and teal so why wouldn’t you use them colours in any combination, except just black and white alone. I don’t think we could possibly use red white and blue if there were another club already in the competition with those colours. I personally love the hoops, but our hoops aren’t as iconic and original in the way that Ports PB’s are with them. Our colours are our ‘brand’ more than the ‘hoops’.
I just think it only needs a little bit of thinking with design and history Port could have a wonderful jumper that would have the future and past in one ongoing jumper.

The history with grey and teal came due to not being able to use b&w though, not as part of the Magpie history.

 

[Freshwater]

They can’t be the magpies or use just black and white. That’s a different argument, one they can’t really win. But they now have over 20 years of history in the AFL too. With all those colours in two Grand Finals and a flag. Why not combine those elements?

 

[Fizzler]

They can’t be the magpies or use just black and white. That’s a different argument, one they can’t really win. But they now have over 20 years of history in the AFL too. With all those colours in two Grand Finals and a flag. Why not combine those elements?

Because we don’t want to, simple as that. It sounds stubborn, but realistically 130+>20+ and we have so much more history and success (and a 119 point thumping isn’t anything to be proud of) in the PBs and it is just more Port Adelaide

 

[Freshwater]

Because we don’t want to, simple as that. It sounds stubborn, but realistically 130+>20+ and we have so much more history and success (and a 119 point thumping isn’t anything to be proud of) in the PBs and it is just more Port Adelaide

I have real sympathy for your plight because the jumper is the number one image to represent a club. But it can’t be all or nothing, or you will get nothing like you have now. I thought there is merit to the idea proposed.
You are not in the SANFL any more, there is already a team called the magpies who wear black and white. Their colours and mascot predate yours. And they were also in the league earlier. You can and should be the magpies in the SANFL. You should get to wear that iconic black and white guernsey at least once a year. But you seem to have no sympathy for Collingwood. This is their brand to the world. Unfortunately you entered the AFL in the 90’s, easily the worst decade for footy jumpers and pseudo adjectives instead of real mascots. On the weekend I’ll draw some up.

 

[Pappaya]

They can’t be the magpies or use just black and white.

Why? There are teams in the league that already share colours. It happens in every sports league in the world.

In our case we’re not even gonna try and revert back to being exclusively black and white (even though there should be no issue in us doing so). Most Port people just want the right to wear our historic black and white guernsey. Realistically we’re not going to completely rebrand so we’ll still be using teal and silver in other guernseys and capacities.

Why not combine those elements?

Why not paint a curly moustache on the Mona Lisa? Because it’s superfluous, it would look sh1t and you shouldn’t ruin a masterpiece.

 

[Freshwater]

Why? There are teams in the league that already share colours. It happens in every sports league in the world.

In our case we’re not even gonna try and revert back to being exclusively black and white (even though there should be no issue in us doing so). Most Port people just want the right to wear our historic black and white guernsey. Realistically we’re not going to completely rebrand so we’ll still be using teal and silver in other guernseys and capacities.



Why not paint a curly moustache on the Mona Lisa? Because it’s superfluous, it would look sh1t and you shouldn’t ruin a masterpiece.

 

[hitthepost]

They can’t be the magpies or use just black and white. That’s a different argument, one they can’t really win. But they now have over 20 years of history in the AFL too. With all those colours in two Grand Finals and a flag. Why not combine those elements?

Because they don't want to bastardise the most recognisable symbol of their history?

 

[Andonis1997]

You are not in the SANFL any more, there is already a team called the magpies who wear black and white. Their colours and mascot predate yours. And they were also in the league earlier. You can and should be the magpies in the SANFL.

Shouldn't even be that, that club's ruined by the Power reserves.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

But you seem to have no sympathy for Collingwood.

Nor should they. Screw Collingwood and screw their brand. No club should have the right to any colours or pattern to the exclusion of anyone else.

 

[Baird]

Nor should they. Screw Collingwood and screw their brand. No club should have the right to any colours or pattern to the exclusion of anyone else.

Absolutely boiling

 

[TimothyJ23]

Nor should they. Screw Collingwood and screw their brand. No club should have the right to any colours or pattern to the exclusion of anyone else.

If they're identical or close to it, they absolutely should.

I reckon Essendon would have an issue if Richmond wanted to switch to red instead of yellow.

Either way, I can't believe the PB debate has taken over another thread.

(actually, yes I can)

 

[hitthepost]

If they're identical or close to it, they absolutely should.

I reckon Essendon would have an issue if Richmond wanted to switch to red instead of yellow.

Either way, I can't believe the PB debate has taken over another thread.

(actually, yes I can)

Sash only going to the chest, a lot thinner, and with a line across the top, all good

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If they're identical or close to it, they absolutely should.

I reckon Essendon would have an issue if Richmond wanted to switch to red instead of yellow.

Have Richmond been wearing red since before Essendon existed, continuously for 125 years? If not, not a good comparison.

Collingwood should get over it, their ego is severely outsized on this matter. Most of Port's games don't involve Collingwood in any way. And nothing stops Collingwood wearing a different clash strip against Port, besides that aforementioned gigantic ego.

 

[TimothyJ23]

Have Richmond been wearing red since before Essendon existed, continuously for 125 years? If not, not a good comparison.

Collingwood should get over it, their ego is severely outsized on this matter. Most of Port's games don't involve Collingwood in any way. And nothing stops Collingwood wearing a different clash strip against Port, besides that aforementioned gigantic ego.

From a personal perspective as a Pies fan, I have no issue with Port having and using their PB jumper, just not v Collingwood. Make the current jumper a "heritage" clash kit to be worn for home games v Pies and whatever the Port away jersey is away.

I reckon that would be a fairly reasonable compromise, although sadly I doubt Ed would ever go for it.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

From a personal perspective as a Pies fan, I have no issue with Port having and using their PB jumper, just not v Collingwood. Make the current jumper a "heritage" clash kit to be worn for home games v Pies and whatever the Port away jersey is away.

I reckon that would be a fairly reasonable compromise, although sadly I doubt Ed would ever go for it.

I agree, reasonable compromise. But yes Eddie is a cancer on the game.

 

[barrackers]

Because we don’t want to, simple as that. It sounds stubborn, but realistically 130+>20+ and we have so much more history and success (and a 119 point thumping isn’t anything to be proud of) in the PBs and it is just more Port Adelaide

Have Richmond been wearing red since before Essendon existed, continuously for 125 years? If not, not a good comparison.

Collingwood should get over it, their ego is severely outsized on this matter. Most of Port's games don't involve Collingwood in any way. And nothing stops Collingwood wearing a different clash strip against Port, besides that aforementioned gigantic ego.

It matters little in terms of your comments or how you've justified them, however while the bars is Port's most famous jumper both of those years are a stretch with Port's senior team having worn variations of the design for 72 years.

Johnny Bananas Collingwood have worn black and white stripes since their inception in 1892, Port adopted black and white 10 years later in 1902, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make in terms of who existed first.