Private Health is a scam.

[nut]

Private health is a cancer on society … it makes health more expensive with worse results.

 

[Seeds]

This is a topic on the usa health system. Which almost everyone agrees is a disaster zone. Why is this not labelled as such?

Private health definately costs more. But cost isnt the only aspect of whether a health service is useful. For many time is a bigger issue. Its great to have a free health care system. But if i cant see a public consultant for 6 months and cant get surgery for 4 years its also a disaster zone.

Its not one or the other. It depends on how each of them run. Context matters.

 

[nut]

This is a topic on the usa health system. Which almost everyone agrees is a disaster zone. Why is this not labelled as such?

Private health definately costs more. But cost isnt the only aspect of whether a health service is useful. For many time is a bigger issue. Its great to have a free health care system. But if i cant see a public consultant for 6 months and cant get surgery for 4 years its also a disaster zone.

Its not one or the other. It depends on how each of them run. Context matters.

Simple…. Norway’s have caps on patients numbers per doctors.
Waiting times will reduce significantly when the wasted money in the private’s system is back into the public system.
It’s just mathematics.

 

[Seeds]

Simple…. Norway’s have caps on patients numbers per doctors.
Waiting times will reduce significantly when the wasted money in the private’s system is back into the public system.
It’s just mathematics.

But if you put patient caps on doctor and there arent enough doctors then thats a disaster as lots of people get no health care.

If the public system invests heavily in doctors thats fine. But what public system in a large country properly invests in doctors, nurses, gp practises, medical research and hospitals? Ours certainly doesnt.

And yes you could argue that the existence of private health takes away the political imperative for investment in public health. And that certainly would be true for the conservative parties. But why is labor underinvesting in public health? You would think the pandemic would of driven a boom in public health infrastructure spending. But it hasnt. Our health system is dramatically underfunded. With the boomers hitting elderly years it is already a disaster waiting to explode. And who knows what happens if we have another pandemic.

The other problem with public health is how inefficient it is due to poor incentives for management. A problem of all public funded sectors that leads to poor health outcomes for a given amount of public spending. Not saying the private sector also doesnt has perverse incentives that leads to poor health outcomes. It definately does. But they are different, which is why having both systems can be beneficial. It gives people choice. It also means that rich people pay more for health infrastructure then poor people. And they do it voluntarily. The existence of both systems also helps mitigate the perversion of each. I.e. if the private sector adopts a new technology that reduces waste or improves health outcomes then the public sector will often, eventually adopt it, as the technology is already proven.

 

[nut]

But if you put patient caps on doctor and there arent enough doctors then thats a disaster as lots of people get no health care.

If the public system invests heavily in doctors thats fine. But what public system in a large country properly invests in doctors, nurses, gp practises, medical research and hospitals? Ours certainly doesnt.

And yes you could argue that the existence of private health takes away the political imperative for investment in public health. And that certainly would be true for the conservative parties. But why is labor underinvesting in public health? You would think the pandemic would of driven a boom in public health infrastructure spending. But it hasnt. Our health system is dramatically underfunded. With the boomers hitting elderly years it is already a disaster waiting to explode. And who knows what happens if we have another pandemic.

The other problem with public health is how inefficient it is due to poor incentives for management. A problem of all public funded sectors that leads to poor health outcomes for a given amount of public spending. Not saying the private sector also doesnt has perverse incentives that leads to poor health outcomes. It definately does. But they are different, which is why having both systems can be beneficial. It gives people choice. It also means that rich people pay more for health infrastructure then poor people. And they do it voluntarily. The existence of both systems also helps mitigate the perversion of each. I.e. if the private sector adopts a new technology that reduces waste or improves health outcomes then the public sector will often, eventually adopt it, as the technology is already proven.

Private health is a scam….

Universal health has better outcomes. There isn’t an argument … It’s fact.

Universal health also spends more on preventative health.. which reduces long term costs.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Simple…. Norway’s have caps on patients numbers per doctors.
Waiting times will reduce significantly when the wasted money in the private’s system is back into the public system.
It’s just mathematics.

Just hope you don't have an emergency in Norway.

Just check out what Norwegians think of Legevakten.

 

[nut]

Just hope you don't have an emergency in Norway.

Just check out what Norwegians think of Legevakten.

Ok point me to where I can check…

 

[nut]

Private health is a scam in Australia

 

[Jello_B]

Do private health companies make any money in aus? I thought they were all going broke?
Public health care system couldn’t survive without massive investment if you deleted private health.
The systems broken, but the answer is not obvious.

 

[Todman]

I know plenty of the silent generation who had private health insurance all their adult life but when they got old and sick they went public.

 

[The Sultan]

I've got private, work pay half of it. we have good amount on our extras, so that part is worth it.

My missus works in the health industry and is adamant that we have it. Because if something happens better to get treatment straight away than go onto wait list.

 

[Saint]

I've got private, work pay half of it. we have good amount on our extras, so that part is worth it.

My missus works in the health industry and is adamant that we have it. Because if something happens better to get treatment straight away than go onto wait list.

Private hospitals have wait lists, they're just shorter.

US Private Healthcare news: United Healthcare is currently being sued by a class action from shareholders that they lied about earnings because they changed their systems to deny more claims, but even after the CEO was killed and everyone cheered, they didn't downgrade their earnings based on the massively negative and increasingly bad sentiment.

Butttt, they're also being sued by their biggest shareholder, BlackRock (who are the largest shareholder in the top 4 health care companies in the US). BlackRock are suing them for paying out too much in claims in the wake of the killing of the CEO and that the decision to revert to accepting more claims was against their financial interests.

They're simultaneously being sued for denying and accepting too many claims at the same time.

Good system.

Regardless of if you think this particular case is relevant, for-profit health insurance should not be permitted.

 

[RCAB]

Public health in Australia is a disaster, you can get better care in developing nations. In Victoria, it’s a complete cluster ****... Monash Health’s broke, services are being cut, and patients are left to rot. You're going to have to pay for private if you want to avoid a chronic illness or an early grave.

 

[Proper Gander]

Public health in Australia is a disaster, you can get better care in developing nations. In Victoria, it’s a complete cluster ****... Monash Health’s broke, services are being cut, and patients are left to rot. You're going to have to pay for private if you want to avoid a chronic illness or an early grave.

I got great advice from a friend who is one of those evil financial advisor types - got the real figures rather than the heavily commissioned rubbish.

I’ve stayed public, which is where the functioning acute care lives. But I also maintain my own health contingency fund, so if I ever need to minimise my time in the queue for a hip replacement or whatever I have the funds available.

Same system only I’m not pouring extra funding into some private for profit company that will sting me for gap payments regardless and land me in a legal squabble every time I claim. You save a fair old whack that way.

Also, stuff that and private health full stop. Health is a right, not a privilege. Have a better universal system. That would be rad.

 

[CrazyEighty8]

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[Golden_6]

Public health in Australia is a disaster, you can get better care in developing nations. In Victoria, it’s a complete cluster ****... Monash Health’s broke, services are being cut, and patients are left to rot. You're going to have to pay for private if you want to avoid a chronic illness or an early grave.

It’s funny how perceptions are different.

My partner was diagnosed with a chronic illness late last year. I could not be more impressed with the care that we’ve received in the public system. I wake up every day grateful that we weren’t born in the US because we would’ve lost our house by now.