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They may not need those tricks to control the class in the private sector. The private schools tend to actually have consequences for s**t behaviour.

They get expelled and the public schools have to accept them.
Yep

The biggest difference between public and private is
1) consequences
2) all parents care at private schools but not all at public.

Class rooms are often dragged down by distractions, meaning public schools have one hand tied behind their back from the start.
 

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If you don't live in an area with a well regarded public school, then splash out and send them to a private IMO

The average public school will be more concerned with managing the behaviour of dropkick kids with dropkick parents, if your kid is bright they're not gonna get the attention or stimulation they deserve. I went to a bog average public school and while I had some great teachers, I feel they were really stretched thin and also pretty powerless.
 

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If you don't live in an area with a well regarded public school, then splash out and send them to a private IMO

The average public school will be more concerned with managing the behaviour of dropkick kids with dropkick parents, if your kid is bright they're not gonna get the attention or stimulation they deserve. I went to a bog average public school and while I had some great teachers, I feel they were really stretched thin and also pretty powerless.
Likewise. ~70% of my public school were in the lowest socioeconomic bracket, according to that MySchools website. 300 kids from Kindergarten to Grade 10, crammed into a couple of buildings. Never once had a real science or IT class, over 12 years at the school. Plenty of people in my Year 10 class that I would have described as functionally illiterate. Public education is s**t.
 

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I pay taxes, some goes to public education, some of it goes to private education. I have one daughter in private secondary school with the second one starting next year, so on top of the taxes, I also pay fees from my after tax wages. I'm paying for everyone else's kids as well as my own.
This is the point all the dip s**ts forget. If you're earning $200,000, you are dropping roughly $60,000 in tax. If you've got a couple of kids at Private school you are also dropping $50,000 in fees as well as taking pressure off the public system. That $60,000 tax is paying for the education of the kids of the bloke earning $58,000 and effectively paying no tax in the public system.
 

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I've worked in Public Schools in both low-socioeconomic and high-socioeconomic areas.
The most significant difference is the parents.

Parents of low socio-economic have a higher prevalence of:
- Lack of organisational skills
- Poverty
- Broken Families
- Substance Abuse
- Working extra jobs (unable to help with homework)
- Lower education (literacy and numeracy)
- Lower appreciation for the value of education

These issues are systematic and larger than simply the quality of teachers. There are many studies that show that kids that have parents that encourage reading from an early age is a key determinant for success in education. These students are often best equipped to manage the fourth-grade slump whereas those that don't often flounder through the rest of their schooling - as text comprehension demands continue to scale.

I also went to a public school, had a very easy time doing the set coursework, ended up with an ATAR in the 90's and struggled in my first two years of university because I'd never been faced with work that I had to study to understand before. I have no doubt that if I was sent to private school with a better curriculum, I would have learned to study well before I finished high school. The standard public school curriculum is very much aimed at the average student, ones who fall above and below the baseline end up falling through the cracks because there aren't enough (or good enough) teachers in the public system to identify these students and get them the help they need.
This is largely nonsense. If you know your content well, you can differentiate easily to challenge the high achievers and support those that need extra assistance. The standard public school curriculum is somewhat vaguely defined so you can extend students quite a bit. I've had Year 10 students doing university-level content - because they wanted to and they could.

The larger issue, in the senior years, is that teachers will teach to the final exam - regardless of the ability of the student. This is not a public v private issue - however.
 

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You're in denial if you think that happens in public schools with any regularity.
It does in Public Schools in mid to high socioeconomic in areas - more challenging in low socioeconomic areas due to the issues I stated above (rather than due to curriculum).

At any length, you are kidding yourself if you think a Private school would have taught you how to be a genuinely independent learner. Be it Public or Private, students are spoonfed very specific content via rote memorisation so that they can excel on the Year 12 exams. This is arguably more important to Private schools than Public schools as high academic achievement (measured via externally administered exams) is a critical part of their marketing strategy.

The challenges you experienced were due to the inherent difference between secondary school education (highly scaffolded, spoonfed) compared to university education (less scaffolded, independent). Private v Public has nothing to do with it.
 
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It does in Public Schools in mid to high socioeconomic in areas - more challenging in low socioeconomic areas due to the issues I stated above (rather than due to curriculum).

At any length, you are kidding yourself if you think a Private school would have taught you how to be a genuinely independent learner. Be it Public or Private, students are spoonfed very specific content via rote memorisation so that they can excel on the Year 12 exams. This is arguably more important to Private schools than Public schools as high academic achievement (measured via externally administered exams) is a critical part of their marketing strategy.

The challenges you experienced were due to the inherent difference between secondary school education (highly scaffolded, spoonfed) compared to university education (less scaffolded, independent). Private v Public has nothing to do with it.
On the contrary, I went to one of the least structured high schools in the state by design. The problem I experienced is that the public school curriculum has a very poor approach to teaching students how to actually study in preparation for year 12, or beyond. Private schools, regardless of their motivations, devote much more energy toward this in the years leading up to 11 and 12 for students to acclimatise to the demands of study before starting their VCE. Of course, if you weren't too busy jacking off over being a public school teacher, you could have asked rather than assumed and I would have clarified this for you.

I have no idea what provisions are in the public school system for teaching study skills but perhaps, as the resident expert, you could enlighten us. I personally think they're pretty s**tty in comparison to what most private schools offer in that department, and while I don't claim to be rich, I'm definitely sure I didn't go a school in a low-socioeconomic area.
 

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On the contrary, I went to one of the least structured high schools in the state by design. The problem I experienced is that the public school curriculum has a very poor approach to teaching students how to actually study in preparation for year 12, or beyond. Private schools, regardless of their motivations, devote much more energy toward this in the years leading up to 11 and 12 for students to acclimatise to the demands of study before starting their VCE. Of course, if you weren't too busy jacking off over being a public school teacher, you could have asked rather than assumed and I would have clarified this for you.

I have no idea what provisions are in the public school system for teaching study skills but perhaps, as the resident expert, you could enlighten us. I personally think they're pretty s**tty in comparison to what most private schools offer in that department, and while I don't claim to be rich, I'm definitely sure I didn't go a school in a low-socioeconomic area.
When socioeconomic status is taken in to account private and public schools perform almost identically in terms of VCE results. So there is no real gain in VCE study scores.
Then, in relative terms, private school kids flunk uni more regularly than public school kids.
In reality the only net gain for going private is fancy facilities.
 

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On the contrary, I went to one of the least structured high schools in the state by design. The problem I experienced is that the public school curriculum has a very poor approach to teaching students how to actually study in preparation for year 12, or beyond. Private schools, regardless of their motivations, devote much more energy toward this in the years leading up to 11 and 12 for students to acclimatise to the demands of study before starting their VCE.
Your original post stated that Public school didn't prepare you for university - whereas a Private school would have. It didn't mention preparation for VCE. You actually made the point that you had a high ATAR - which would indicate that you were well prepared for VCE (perhaps you feel that did well in spite of your public school curriculum?).

Your experiences are certainly valid. My proposition is that the senior school system (both Private and Public) prepares its students for success in the Year 12 exams. This results in being spoonfed very specific content via rote memorisation. They do not teach the independent study skills required for university. This is why universities will generally teach these skills throughout the first year. I can provide you with a stack of academic research papers that support my proposition if you wish.

In the current senior school system, secondary schools (both Public or Private) don't want students to be truly independent learners in VCE - they want their students to be able to memorise content and provide the correct pre-formulated response to the appropriate question in the exam. As you mentioned in your original post, this skill is different from university when you have to study, research and investigate independently. The last thing they want are students providing responses to questions that are outside the scope of the VCAA Study Design!
 
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The real draw of private schools (unless it's some Looking for Alibrandi/Being The Elite school which probably isn't the case as there's only about 10 of those in each big city and people can't afford to put their kids in them) is the dickhead students are made to straighten up and fly right or f’ed off to derail lessons in public schools. Whatever other benefits are, that's the true appeal for parents on moderate incomes 40km from the CBD.
 
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