R20 Changes Vs. Fremantle

[SaintsPremiers08]

What do you think the IN's/OUT's will be?

IMO:

Out: Fiora (Susp), Geary (If X.Clarke Fit), McQualter

In: Birss, X.Clarke (If Fit), Armitage

Thoughts?

 

[Signd Sealed Saint]

Out: Whole side apart from Hayes, Riewoldt and Harvey

In: Moorabin U12's

 

[borderbarry]

I will wait until after todays Scorps game before deciding who to bring in or how many to drop.

 

[TassieSaint]

^^^ Exactly.

At this early stage, Out: Fiora (Susp/Omit), Geary (Omit), McQualter (Omit if Birss plays well), Eddy (Omit if more than 3 players state their case at Casey), Koschitzke (Strongly consider omitting if someone kicks a big bag)

 

[CHBench]

BEST:
Casey Scorpions: Armitage Steven Taylor X.Clarke Wall Birss
North Ballarat: Grima Spolding Feery Greig Moloney Sharkey

 

[TassieSaint]

In that case
Out: Fiora, Geary and either McQualter or Eddy
In: Armitage, Birss, X. Clarke

I'm inclined to think we should give Steven a run, but maybe not this close to finals.

 

[MIDDO]

^^^ Exactly.

At this early stage, Out: Fiora (Susp/Omit), Geary (Omit), McQualter (Omit if Birss plays well), Eddy (Omit if more than 3 players state their case at Casey), Koschitzke (Strongly consider omitting if someone kicks a big bag)

Absolutley gutted with the effort of Kosi !! When we need a tall to stand up he goes missing again,do we play Ben "The Falcon" McEvoy and get games into this bloke regardless of his form with Casey ? No different from what we are getting out of the other talls at the moment !!

 

[Signd Sealed Saint]

I'd like to see Steven get a run. He's gonna be a ripper, couldn't believe that we got him at 37 (i think)

 

[Kildonan]

In: S Birss, X Clarke, D Armitage, J Steven.
Out: S Milne, A Fiora, R Eddy, J Geary.

 

[HoldenMCaulfield]

In : F Gehrig, D Armitage, S Birss, X Clarke

Out : A Fiora (susp), J Geary, S Milne, N Dal Santo

 

[Signd Sealed Saint]

i think Kosi should have a game in VFL as well on top of Dal, Milne. If you dont put in, you dont play.

 

[ChrisFooty]

In: Armitage. Birss, X.Clarke

Out: Fiora, Eddy, Geary

 

[CHBench]

We desperately need to bring in another forward option, possibly in the form of McEvoy, Allen or Ferguson. Our forward line is a joke, it's virtually non-existent. Playing Riewoldt alone in the 50 is absolutley ridiculous. There is no way we are going to win a game of football without a forward line. I beg the club to play with a full forward line that stays inside the 50 when the oppostion have the ball. Time and time again i've seen us force a turnover to find we have no one to kick to because they've all pushed up. We need to avoid predictability. Our only options are kick to Roo or bomb it long. Mix it up a bit, make the defence think more.

I like the idea of Gwilt up forward, booming kick, solid body and is pretty speedy.
In the time we hit our purple patch Schneider was leading up to 55-60m out, getting the ball and spotting up a target inside 50. This worked nicely, for once the forwards were getting clean, and systematic supply.
Riewoldt back to his roaming best, floating at half forward or doubling back inside 50 really worked well for us.
Ferg/Allen play as the big bodied option, i'm very confident either of these two can produce a couple of goals a match.
Armitage still is a bit raw, although tearing it up at Casey he may need some time to adjust to the big league. Start him out as a small forward that can present an option as well as pick up the crumbs. As well as rotating through the midfield, possibly a spot for a resting mid.

HF: Gwilt Riewoldt Schenider
F: Milne Ferg/Allen Armitage

The midfield really need to pick up their game. Players need to keep account of their opponent and provide pressure in and around the contests. They need to work for eachother, sheparding at every chance to execute the quick break. They need to run and move to provide options, not just spectate.

Gram and Montagna need to start on the wings, they have the speed to execute a turnover breakaway and the booming boot to kick a goal from 50 out. Jones to the centre and Hayes and NDS to be on the ball. If NDS survives the chop he needs to prove to his teamates and supporters he is deadset serious about football and do whatever it takes to lead the team across the line. Not so long ago he was a favourite amongst the supporters and general football fans but some are starting to see through him. I hope he proves me wrong and tears Freo to shreds but i am starting to doubt his commitment. King needs to lift hos around the ground work, no doubt is has improved our ruck stocks but he has more to do than just tap the ball. Be accountable Kingy, you do have an opponent.

C:Gram Jones Montagna
R:King Hayes Dal Santo

Down back we have some very capable players, we certainly don't have the best defence but we don't need the mega flood. Hudghton is faultless, Fisher is solid, but BJ needs to tone his temper down. He gives away far too many free kicks that are usually converted into goals. I do agree he is not a backman, but he's all we've got at the moment. Dempster is improving slowly as is Blake and Gilbert.

HBemptster Hudghton Gilbert
B: Goddard Fisher Blake

Int: Harvey, McQualter/Birss, Koschitzke X.Clarke

We have up to 3 players who can tag already in the team, only one of McQualter or Birss will do. I can't split them, they both have their pro's. Birss has been ripping it up at Casey all season without reward, perhaps give him another stint? Kosi needs to take a good, hard look at himself. At the moment he is useless, hopeless full forward, ok ruck. Perhaps he is a better CHF, regardless, he needs to concentrate on one position and work on it. X has had a long road back from injury, pre-injury he was in very good form and is starting to put in some solid performances at Casey. Time to come in and slowly adapt back to footy.

 

[Kildonan]

We never really replaced Luke Ball, and we are short one inside midfielder of Ball's ilk. Both Birss and Armitage are of this ilk and with too much focus being placed on Hayes/Dal Santo/Montagna by opposition taggers to shut us down, we need to provide a second midfield option.
I don't expect either Xavier Clarke or Jack Steven to be at the level of fitness to run out a full midfield rotation, but they could share a forward spot filling Milne's niche and give some relief in the second half of the third quarter through the midfield. Birss and Armitage should be split between the two main midfield rotations. Both are expected to fill the Luke Ball role. Lenny should hold down the centre spot.

 

[Papa Juggs]

Kosi should be dropped for that effort against the Pies.

He was slow and if the bloke is tired give him a spell and skip the plane ride west. I would want him ready to go for the Crows game the week after. Sometimes you just need to rotate. Freo can still tank to get picks before Port

 

[Signd Sealed Saint]

Unfortunately that is Ross Lyon's game plan to flood the backline. When we have it, move it quickly and when we don't, get numbers behind the ball. It's a sound gameplan imo, but for it to work we need a functioning forward line or else we would be moving it quickly to no one. Which is exactly what happened on Saturday night. THe gameplan wont change as Lyon has enormous faith in it but it definitely can improve. Improved gameplan + much improved player effort = September. Otherwise, we wont see September action for 2 years in a row and even if we do it's only to get beaten by 5th position by 20 goals.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We never really replaced Luke Ball, and we are short one inside midfielder of Ball's ilk. Both Birss and Armitage are of this ilk and with too much focus being placed on Hayes/Dal Santo/Montagna by opposition taggers to shut us down, we need to provide a second midfield option.
I don't expect either Xavier Clarke or Jack Steven to be at the level of fitness to run out a full midfield rotation, but they could share a forward spot filling Milne's niche and give some relief in the second half of the third quarter through the midfield. Birss and Armitage should be split between the two main midfield rotations. Both are expected to fill the Luke Ball role. Lenny should hold down the centre spot.

If I had the list we played against Pies I would have put Geary in Gram's spot and brought Gram into the middle. At least he will put some effort into it.
Very dissapointed that our guys didn't seem to put in the extra effort to try to cover Ball's absence.
Spud Frawly was on the radio this morning very disappointed in Kosi. He was saying that Kosi is a big ticket player on the big bucks and should be playing well more often than not.
X will be a good inclusion. And Birss is a more solid , better experienced player than the likes of Geary.
I really like CHBENCH's forward line but I don't like I don't like the idea of Allen/Ferguson as a forward as they are not /not yet good enough to have much impact on the game. I prefer the idea of getting someone else ( But not Raph or Gwilt ) into Goddard's spot and bringing Goddard forward.
I am not sure that we have a spot for Raph, he is not a great defender and not a great kick, so we end up with another non kicking midfielder along with Lenny and Bally.

 

[The Punter]

We desperately need to play another tall marking forward.

Players who don't qualify are Goddard, Gwilt, R Clarke or Sam Fisher.

Players who do qualify are Matthew Ferguson, Jarryd Allen, Ben McEvoy & ... Fraser Gehrig.

When Kosi goes into the ruck, we have one target. When Riewoldt goes off (like Saturday), we have no real target.

While I would like to see Gwilt across half-forward, others I am not so keen about. Fisher is too important to mess around with. Goddard is the same. Raph Clarke may be the worst kick for goal I have ever seen, but I admit, it's been a while since I saw him kick for goal.

If Kosi could just become that big forward target for us, then that would be great. But he plays his best footy in the ruck, and that footy is inconsistent. I'm on the record that it is possible that 2005 Kosi was knocked out of him by Giansiracusa, never to return.

I haven't seen the game yet, but X Clarke is class, Armitage is tough as nails, and I never understood why Birss was dropped in the first place. There is plenty of time for blokes like Geary and Eddy, but we need to make finals. We can still finish sixth and host either Sydney or Adelaide in a first up final at Telstra Dome, probably on a Saturday night. But we need to win out (all three).

 

[Danger Mouse]

Like to see Jack Steven play. He is our future, youth and enthusiam is what we need! Want to see all our youngsters play that being Eddy, Geary and Armitage as well. X Clarke and Birss would be very useful as well.

 

[bubblegoose]

If you dont put in, you dont play.

Scary proposition SSS if taken literally

 

[unsheathed]

A full-foward option is what we desperately need. I'm sick of seeing Milne as a lead-up foward because there is no-one else up the ground, it's not his fault its a structural problem and he has to present. There needs to be a full-foward option that is not Kosi as he is not doing it for us there.

Kosi at the moment is best played off the bench as a rucking on-baller. He's capable of doing as much damage dropping into the foward line as he is standing there all day.

Let's take the best option from the VFL and put them at full-foward for the next 3 weeks. We should have been developing this option months ago. Even though Allen didn't star at FF he at least provided crumbs and took a key defender from the opposition.

My foward line is

F: Milne, (McEvoy/Allen/Ferguson), Schneider
HF: X.Clarke, Roo, Gwilt

Play Kosi off the bench as a pinch hitter where needed.

Out: Eddy, Fiora, Geary
In: Armo, X. Clarke, a full foward

 

[krusden]

We desperately need to play another tall marking forward.

Players who don't qualify are Goddard, Gwilt, R Clarke or Sam Fisher.

Players who do qualify are Matthew Ferguson, Jarryd Allen, Ben McEvoy & ... Fraser Gehrig.

When Kosi goes into the ruck, we have one target. When Riewoldt goes off (like Saturday), we have no real target.

While I would like to see Gwilt across half-forward, others I am not so keen about. Fisher is too important to mess around with. Goddard is the same. Raph Clarke may be the worst kick for goal I have ever seen, but I admit, it's been a while since I saw him kick for goal.

If Kosi could just become that big forward target for us, then that would be great. But he plays his best footy in the ruck, and that footy is inconsistent. I'm on the record that it is possible that 2005 Kosi was knocked out of him by Giansiracusa, never to return.

I haven't seen the game yet, but X Clarke is class, Armitage is tough as nails, and I never understood why Birss was dropped in the first place. There is plenty of time for blokes like Geary and Eddy, but we need to make finals. We can still finish sixth and host either Sydney or Adelaide in a first up final at Telstra Dome, probably on a Saturday night. But we need to win out (all three).

agreed with Goddard - He held that defence together like I've rarely seen him do which is a good sign due to Max H being not 100% fitness wise. if max goes at end of year (retires) - GODDARD FOR
I would love to see Gwilt across half forward consistently - he may stuff up on occasion but his Second Efforts can be really good and unlike some others I think he has a hunger for the ball. I'd like to see him consistently in the side next year with the coaches excusing the odd crap game.
this Fraser G idea is gaining steam. I note he is off the long term injured list and to get at least a few more goals he may be a wildcard answer for the rest of the season. WITHOUT him having re-retired - why the hell would they take him off the long term list if he was not going to either play or go?

 

[unsheathed]

I can't see any value in bringing Fraze back - i love the guy - but we need a big overhead marking full foward and fraze isn't that. Ferguson took a few hangers before he got injured and really didn't get time to grow into the FF role - maybe deserves another chance.

By the way, big ups to Gilbert, playing really well at the moment.

Also, Milne deserves 5 mins a quarter in the mid-field to get him into the game. If I remember correctly he did so during the third against the Hawks, always get a little spark from him there. Armo can go to the pocket and it gives a midfielder another chance to have a breather.

 

[Kildonan]

If I had the list we played against Pies I would have put Geary in Gram's spot and brought Gram into the middle. At least he will put some effort into it.
Very dissapointed that our guys didn't seem to put in the extra effort to try to cover Ball's absence.
Spud Frawly was on the radio this morning very disappointed in Kosi. He was saying that Kosi is a big ticket player on the big bucks and should be playing well more often than not.
X will be a good inclusion. And Birss is a more solid , better experienced player than the likes of Geary.
I really like CHBENCH's forward line but I don't like I don't like the idea of Allen/Ferguson as a forward as they are not /not yet good enough to have much impact on the game. I prefer the idea of getting someone else ( But not Raph or Gwilt ) into Goddard's spot and bringing Goddard forward.
I am not sure that we have a spot for Raph, he is not a great defender and not a great kick, so we end up with another non kicking midfielder along with Lenny and Bally.

The game has changed a lot, but we have gone from being a team feared for its dangerous talls to a team without sufficient talls to do the job. Allen is a very adaptable player who may be used in defence as well as forward but a key forward spot is way beyond him at this point in his career. Maybe later...

Raph Clarke plays CHF for Casey and from what I have seen has done a bang up job on more than one occasion. He has put on a lot of muscle this year and maybe he is worth a try for us. He played his junior footy as a key forward. I think the leading forward role would suit him better than the defensive roles he has played for us.

Gwilt cannot be relied upon in the back line. He makes too many basic errors. His move forward was a saving grace for him. He is the size that takes a long time to make it in AFL - around the same size as Goddard, Maguire and Blake, but unless you are brim full of talent - most players this size don't make it. They are too small for a key position and too big to have the instant acceleration of a small. Goddard and Maguire have enough talent to overcome the size problem, and Blake was so determined to play that he would do anything - hence he became the fittest man in the club, willing to play in the ruck, willing to play in defence, willing to do anything to stay in the team. How much tenacity does Gwilt have? I'm not sure he is talented enough, (like Goddard) and I don't know if we have the patience to carry him for the length of time it requires for him to make it.

I don't blame Milne for the silly marking error, and I suppose he was just trying to get close enough to make that running shot a certainty before he was caught. Without a tall to feed off, Milne is forced to try and be a marking forward. Certainly when Riewoldt was off and Kosi just went missing, Milne was our entire forward line. The problem is we can't afford to have a specialist small forward when we are a midfielder short. We needed Milne to be more adaptable and contribute more. When he doesn't have a tall to crumb off - he becomes superfluous. It becomes 18 players versus 17 players and Milne doing nothing. This gives the opposition an advantage. One we can't afford. I think we can put Steven in Milnes spot and lose nothing, but maybe gain something. Along with Xavier, Jack Steven can offer the same spark of unpredictability and speed as Milne and the experience will set him up for a midfield spot down the track.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We desperately need to play another tall marking forward.

Players who don't qualify are Goddard, Gwilt, R Clarke or Sam Fisher.

Players who do qualify are Matthew Ferguson, Jarryd Allen, Ben McEvoy & ... Fraser Gehrig.

When Kosi goes into the ruck, we have one target. When Riewoldt goes off (like Saturday), we have no real target.

While I would like to see Gwilt across half-forward, others I am not so keen about. Fisher is too important to mess around with. Goddard is the same. Raph Clarke may be the worst kick for goal I have ever seen, but I admit, it's been a while since I saw him kick for goal.

If Kosi could just become that big forward target for us, then that would be great. But he plays his best footy in the ruck, and that footy is inconsistent. I'm on the record that it is possible that 2005 Kosi was knocked out of him by Giansiracusa, never to return.

I haven't seen the game yet, but X Clarke is class, Armitage is tough as nails, and I never understood why Birss was dropped in the first place. There is plenty of time for blokes like Geary and Eddy, but we need to make finals. We can still finish sixth and host either Sydney or Adelaide in a first up final at Telstra Dome, probably on a Saturday night. But we need to win out (all three).

Did you see Chris Dawes make an impact while playing on some of our experienced defenders? He was the draft pick after Howard last year. Kurt Tippet was a few picks later , has also shown promise as a forward. If you want to put young guys in the forward line these are the type of guys you need. Jarrad Allen from later in the same draft has had a run and was not able to make an impact in a game earlier this year. He has time to develop more but as would be expected from his place in the draft he is unlikely to be a superstar right away.
Ferguson was drafted in 2002 and is now at the point that no matter how much he improves, his career cannot last as long as his development.
Just because we would like to have someone on our list who can play a particuar role dosn't mean they can do it. In fact we know they cannot at the moment and that is the reason they are not getting a game. It would be great if we had some forward line saviour hiding in the VFL but we don't.
Gwilt , Goddard, and Gilbert are all taller than Fergason and would get and kick the ball better than him, so why are they not an option? Gram is only 1 cm shorter.
I agree we should not take Sam out of defence but .. if we are desperate?
I still think that Goddard is wasted in the back line. He is not that good at it. He is heavier than Allen, Fergason or McEvoy and has a good kick.
Put Ferguson or Allen in his spot.