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Review R21: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly vs. Hawthorn

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Maddogmetro said:
Reading the thread on the Port board as the game unfolded is so satisfying - watching them go from unhinged delight to pure devastation in the space of one quarter. Delicious.
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The cope on that board is mental. From “the crows were never a serious team” to “anything less than a flag is a choke” within an hour.

Wouldn’t expect any less delusion from a board that believes Hinkley is the only reason their list of spuds haven’t pinched a flag.
 
Cromulant said:
Maybe, but you cant really argue with most of that.

Mitchell giving Josh Battle 4 votes is puzzling
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When he failed to stop Rankine setting up Tex too...
 
Maddogmetro said:
Reading the thread on the Port board as the game unfolded is so satisfying - watching them go from unhinged delight to pure devastation in the space of one quarter. Delicious.
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And some of them actually think their list is better than us and it's all because of Hinkley when he overachieved with that shit list in the last few years (I don't count the compromised pandemic years when they had massive fixture advantage with Wines winning the Brownlow in record count and Dixon and DBJ made AA show how stuffed those years were) but a majority know how shit it is and some even question if it's a good list strategy to loss so much capital for NWM.
 

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ABAB said:
And some of them actually think their list is better than us and it's all because of Hinkley when he overachieved with that shit list in the last few years (I don't count the compromised pandemic years when they had massive fixture advantage with Wines winning the Brownlow in record count and Dixon and DBJ made AA show how stuffed those years were) but a majority know how shit it is and some even question if it's a good list strategy to loss so much capital for NWM.
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Lol, I do see a lot of 'this team made a prelim last year' type stuff on there. At some point you do fall off a cliff if you don't deliver on the big stage.
 
MrBarry said:
Lol, I do see a lot of 'this team made a prelim last year' type stuff on there. At some point you do fall off a cliff if you don't deliver on the big stage.
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They were lucky they got on a run middle of the season last year as at one point it look like they traded pick 8-10 for Esava and Soldo and this time they were lucky Essendon got hit with injuries and Melbourne, Carlton and Saints are still crap otherwise it would have been pick 4 for Lukosius, still a chance of giving up pick 5 for him.
 
ABAB said:
They were lucky they got on a run middle of the season last year as at one point it look like they traded pick 8-10 for Esava and Soldo and this time they were lucky Essendon got hit with injuries and Melbourne, Carlton and Saints are still crap otherwise it would have been pick 4 for Lukosius, still a chance of giving up pick 5 for him.
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They also had the easiest draw in the competition last year, based on ladder positions. They got found massively wanting when playing the elite teams in finals.
 
cmndstab said:
Keane dudded in the coaches votes. I know he had the two frees against near the end but he was exceptional prior to that. Just about BOG by half time.
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Soligo as well. Watching the replay, he was pretty good again.

Great that we have more of a broad range of good players than a few stand outs each week.
 
Mr_Moogle said:
Otten's selection and Cameron being lame because of his ankle hurt us more imo.
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The GF in 2017 was a massive stitch up by the AFL to get their nepo babies over the line.
We were screwed even before we got on the plane.
The very first free to Richmond out of the first center bounce said it all. My reaction to that while watching was we were screwed.
It was a perfect storm all GF Week long with the AFL and the umps and the crowd and the media build up about Richmond's flag drought screwing us. We were never going to win regardless.
We played our GF the week before in the Prelim. Simple.
 
Gtowncrow said:
How Sam Mitchell can award more votes to Battle than Dawson suggests he's just a stupid and petty little Hawthorn shite.

Unlikable dude in poo brown shirt.
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Maybe it was Nicks?
 

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finn said:
Had a chat a few weeks with a guy post an Adelaide Footy League game who has a lot to do with some current Crows players. We were chatting about two sided players over the years and His word was that the club has put a 1 year deal in front of Tex.
No other details.
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That doesn't surprise me. The coaches clearly want their forward line to play with 3 talls. Walker is by all reports very professional at managing his body and has played all but 1 game this year, with no soft tissue injuries. The coaches and playing group seem to speak glowingly about him and how much leadership he provides on and off the field. Plus he's still in the top 20 goal kickers this season, despite no longer being the focal point.
 
OzSparrow said:
The GF in 2017 was a massive stitch up by the AFL to get their nepo babies over the line.
We were screwed even before we got on the plane.
The very first free to Richmond out of the first center bounce said it all. My reaction to that while watching was we were screwed.
It was a perfect storm all GF Week long with the AFL and the umps and the crowd and the media build up about Richmond's flag drought screwing us. We were never going to win regardless.
We played our GF the week before in the Prelim. Simple.
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Or..... Richmond were better than us on the day
 
brucetiki said:
I wonder if the way West Coast supported the team after Phil Walsh’s passing has anything to do with the mutual respect
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I think it was even before then and stems from our similar origins in our footy proud states. We both have a dysfunctional underachieving whiny state sibling that we dispise too. A lot of empathy between the clubs imo
 
StonesThrow said:
Or..... Richmond were better than us on the day
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Yeah. History shows they turned out to be a much better side than everyone gave them credit for at the time. We didn't take them seriously and didn't really do anything to counter their pressure game, which was tailor made for finals.

I'll always believe the CM crap brought about a false sense of superiority, maybe even arrogance, that didn't stand up on that day. Might have been a different result if we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot with that garbage.
 
OzSparrow said:
The GF in 2017 was a massive stitch up by the AFL to get their nepo babies over the line.
We were screwed even before we got on the plane.
The very first free to Richmond out of the first center bounce said it all. My reaction to that while watching was we were screwed.
It was a perfect storm all GF Week long with the AFL and the umps and the crowd and the media build up about Richmond's flag drought screwing us. We were never going to win regardless.
We played our GF the week before in the Prelim. Simple.
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Its the curse of the non vic team, easier to make a GF, harder to win it.

Smith doing his knee in the QF and McGovern his hamstring hampered us. Jake Lever telling the group he was going and that Collective Morons program did the rest. The team froze and choked on GF day, it happens, it happened to Sydney twice in 10 years (3 times if you count the Bulldogs GF).

Our MCG form for the season was also at best average that year. Barely got over Carlton who were 16th, drew with Collingwood who were 13th (it was what..8 goals at one point?) and had to shake off Hawthorn in the last quarter who were 12th in 2017.

North supporters probably feel the same about 1998, best team all year and just bottled it. Geelong in 2008, West Coast 2015...

Their media were always going to paint Richmond as plucky darlings heroically removing the failure of the last 35 years while we have to rely on Rowey to promote us...
 
davos44 said:
Its the curse of the non vic team, easier to make a GF, harder to win it.

Smith doing his knee in the QF and McGovern his hamstring hampered us. Jake Lever telling the group he was going and that Collective Morons program did the rest. The team froze and choked on GF day, it happens, it happened to Sydney twice in 10 years (3 times if you count the Bulldogs GF).

Our MCG form for the season was also at best average that year. Barely got over Carlton who were 16th, drew with Collingwood who were 13th (it was what..8 goals at one point?) and had to shake off Hawthorn in the last quarter who were 12th in 2017.

North supporters probably feel the same about 1998, best team all year and just bottled it. Geelong in 2008, West Coast 2015...

Their media were always going to paint Richmond as plucky darlings heroically removing the failure of the last 35 years while we have to rely on Rowey to promote us...
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A quick look at the ladder or the Squiggle should make it less clear that 1998 North were simply a better team all year. Adelaide were the best team defensively, by quite a margin, and had the best percentage.
 

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OzSparrow said:
The GF in 2017 was a massive stitch up by the AFL to get their nepo babies over the line.
We were screwed even before we got on the plane.
The very first free to Richmond out of the first center bounce said it all. My reaction to that while watching was we were screwed.
It was a perfect storm all GF Week long with the AFL and the umps and the crowd and the media build up about Richmond's flag drought screwing us. We were never going to win regardless.
We played our GF the week before in the Prelim. Simple.
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How do you explain the seven years the club missed the finals after that?
 
Hobbes said:
A quick look at the ladder or the Squiggle should make it less clear that 1998 North were simply a better team all year. Adelaide were the best team defensively, by quite a margin, and had the best percentage.
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2.11 in the 2nd quarter didn't do anything to help them either :D
 
Hobbes said:
A quick look at the ladder or the Squiggle should make it less clear that 1998 North were simply a better team all year. Adelaide were the best team defensively, by quite a margin, and had the best percentage.
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Yup, it's a right shame 1998 happened then and not now; because North would have been viewed as possible frauds coming into that finals series.

Instead we got a narrative that we got lucky; with a make the eight and anything can happen mantra.
 
The Richmond GF was a perfect storm - a bit of hubris on our part, luck going against us with Smith and McGovern injuries and stubbornly just replacing McGovern with Otten instead of changing structure

But also no one rating or realising what Richmond were building

Would love to see an alternate reality where either Richmond broke through in 2016 and were going for back to back or if we had our run a year later in 2018 and came up against a proven Richmond then - attitudes would have been completely different
 

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