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[mailman4]

Such irony

Haha that's brilliant

 

[Stewart66]

I think the Great Hack is better to be honest. The way social media has divided people and fed them biased political commentary. Got Trump in and Brexit done using Cambridge Analytica's system. I'm pretty sure people on the left are probably getting equally biased commentary, it's just hard to see it when it's your "own" viewpoint.

Agree Great Hack was fantastic, this one I enjoyed the for just highlighting what control a mobile phone
has in the World ...I am a dinosaur ....use my mobile for phone conversations, no apps , no Instagram,
no Facebook , no Twitter , all the happier for it.

 

[CursingFijian]

 

[flyingmagic]

We will find out through the courts. A sworn statement made under penalty is evidence. According to the Republicans they have many who are ready to testify in court. Lets see how it plays out.

Another one bites the dust...

" #USPS IG investigators informed Committee staff today that they interviewed Hopkins on Friday, but that Hopkins RECANTED HIS ALLEGATIONS yesterday and did not explain why he signed a false affidavit."

 

[George]

Another one bites the dust...

" #USPS IG investigators informed Committee staff today that they interviewed Hopkins on Friday, but that Hopkins RECANTED HIS ALLEGATIONS yesterday and did not explain why he signed a false affidavit."

There's more but can't be arsed linking them all. Hundreds of them.

 

[bergholt]

There's more but can't be arsed linking them all. Hundreds of them.

George! I thought you weren't posting in this thread any more? Or are you just not replying to people who disagree with you?

 

[bergholt]

Personally I reckon there was a bunch of fraud out there - it's a complex system involving humans so that's likely.

This should definitely come out through the courts, it's great to see it happening.

But I suspect we'll find that there wasn't nearly enough of it to change the final result of the election. Conspiracies involving hundreds or thousands of people (which this would have to be) are just not credible in my opinion.

 

[CursingFijian]

It’s just an elaborate attempt to obfuscate at a state level and hamper state certifications so as to prevent the legalisation and awarding of Biden’s electoral college votes.

If Trump can create the constitutional crisis and get it to Congress he will most likely get his second term as Republicans hold sway over 26 states which is the magic number needed to select a presidency.

It’s as clear as day to anyone who is really paying attention that this fall back strategy has been playing out for months.

 

[Kildonan]

Trump's longshot election lawsuits: where do things stand?

Sam Levine in New York
Wed 11 Nov 2020 03.42 AEDT
Last modified on Wed 11 Nov 2020 05.21 AEDT

Since election day, Donald Trump and other Republicans have filed a smattering of lawsuits in battleground states that have provided cover for Trump and other Republicans to say that the election still remains unresolved.

Legal experts have noted these suits are meritless, and even if they were successful, would not be enough to overturn the election results. Indeed, judges in several of these lawsuits have already dismissed them, noting the Trump campaign has failed to offer evidence to substantiate allegations of fraud.

 

[George]

George! I thought you weren't posting in this thread any more? Or are you just not replying to people who disagree with you?

Got sucked in, trying my hardest though

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Personally I reckon there was a bunch of fraud out there - it's a complex system involving humans so that's likely.

This should definitely come out through the courts, it's great to see it happening.

But I suspect we'll find that there wasn't nearly enough of it to change the final result of the election. Conspiracies involving hundreds or thousands of people (which this would have to be) are just not credible in my opinion.

Fraud probably isn’t the right word.
All votes must be counted the same way, which there has definitely been cases of the opposite. Unbelievable that a world powerhouse is so inept with their systems.

 

[Verdun]

Fraud probably isn’t the right word.
All votes must be counted the same way, which there has definitely been cases of the opposite. Unbelievable that a world powerhouse is so inept with their systems.

Yep their electoral system definitely has it's flaws - as has their response to the corona-virus

 

[Ceanag]

Another one bites the dust...

" #USPS IG investigators informed Committee staff today that they interviewed Hopkins on Friday, but that Hopkins RECANTED HIS ALLEGATIONS yesterday and did not explain why he signed a false affidavit."

 

[bergholt]

Fraud probably isn’t the right word.
All votes must be counted the same way, which there has definitely been cases of the opposite. Unbelievable that a world powerhouse is so inept with their systems.

Oh yeah, there's definitely some incompetence, but I suspect there's also some malicious intent. I'd love to see a lot of stuff come out - both directions - in the next couple of months.

 

[flyingmagic]

More or less credible than johnnyrayflamingo?

I guess we wait for tomorrow.

#protectrichard

 

[Ceanag]

Mmmm ok ...

More or less credible than johnnyrayflamingo?

I guess we wait for tomorrow.

#protectrichard

You quote and believe a twitter account without verification but you doubt the actual words spoken directly by the man at the center of the controversy ....

 

[bergholt]

You quote and believe a twitter account without verification but you doubt the actual words spoken directly by the man at the center of the controversy ....

There's been talk of "crisis actors" for years - maybe this guy is one of them.

 

[gringo2011]

Something is weird here. He seems to have recanted to the House committee than goes in saying he never did later. Hopefully they investigate his case regardless. It's hardly proof or even sounding very consistent. He could easily be a disgruntled Trump supporter or a true independent whistle blower, either way he's going to get investigated by the look of it. His lawyer probably told him to say he didn't lie under oath and recanted to save jail time. It could also be that people with an agenda paid him to recant the recant. Hopefully the investigation works out the truth.

 

[gringo2011]

Trump seems to be crowd sourcing to pay off his debts under the guise of paying for the legal challenges now. He's a classy operator.

Donald Trump's latest endeavor? Asking his supporters to pay his debts

The outgoing president has two ‘election defense funds’ – but the small print shows donations will go towards paying off debt

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Fraud probably isn’t the right word.
All votes must be counted the same way, which there has definitely been cases of the opposite. Unbelievable that a world powerhouse is so inept with their systems.

Thats cause every state over there is left to do its own thing. Here its one central authority

 

[StCicatriz]

Something is weird here. He seems to have recanted to the House committee than goes in saying he never did later. Hopefully they investigate his case regardless. It's hardly proof or even sounding very consistent. He could easily be a disgruntled Trump supporter or a true independent whistle blower, either way he's going to get investigated by the look of it. His lawyer probably told him to say he didn't lie under oath and recanted to save jail time. It could also be that people with an agenda paid him to recant the recant. Hopefully the investigation works out the truth.

close to the money

also doesnt explain why they would rig the presidential election but leave the senate and house completely untouched. also doesn't explain multiple counties across multiple states.

when you sit there and actually think about it, you see how damn ridiculous this is and how gullible/stupid some people can be

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If there was in fact fraud committed during the election, how could they prove it was actually the democrats doing it?

Trump may have lost by a much bigger margin.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

If there was in fact fraud committed during the election, how could they prove it was actually the democrats doing it?

Trump may have lost by a much bigger margin.

Too much has been/is being made of the “fraud” claims, it’s the inconsistency of the method of the counts which will be their big push.
Trump has maybe a 1% chance of retaining office, of course someone with his temperament will challenge.
If anything, this could bring to the fore the gaping holes in their voting system.

 

[bergholt]

If there was in fact fraud committed during the election, how could they prove it was actually the democrats doing it?

Surely the proof is in which side it benefits?

 

[flyingmagic]

Mmmm ok ...
You quote and believe a twitter account without verification but you doubt the actual words spoken directly by the man at the center of the controversy ....

So it appears he just recanted his recantation.

If that above sentence doesn't make you question his credibility, even just a little, then I have a golf course to sell you from a Nigerian prince.

Will he recant his recanted recantation?