Opinion Rank the AFL midfields

[Dredd]

Lol.

Wines has had two full seasons and played finals - Crouch as you said has had injuries. He is a lot more inexperienced?

Thompson is a main player in your midfield. Cornes is a mere tagger. Thompson can bring it once a month or so but some games he looks 40+.

Douglas-solid
Mackay-mediocre
VB-mediocre, comparable to Cornes
Grigg-has he played a dozen games? Best known for being the sub in the showdown (which the Crows still lost) but playing well when he got his chance
Lyons-toddler

'Solid citizens' don't match up to Ebert or Hartlett, who can actually turn a match. I'll grant you Douglas.

2014 AFLCA ? Sloane is a very good player but it goes Dangerfield > Boak > Gray > Sloane for mine. Boak and Gray kicked 61 goals from 49 games in 2014, Sloane/Danger 30 from 44. Double the goals from 5 more games...
Boak 26.8 disposals average in 2014, Gray 24.9, Dangerfield 24.9, Sloane 23.7

AFLCA - Gray 1st
AFLPA - Gray 9th, Dangerfield 10th
Brownlow - Boak & Dangerfield =4th, Gray & Thompson =13th, Sloane =28th
Respective B&F's - Gray 1st Boak 2nd, Sloane 2nd, Dangerfield 3rd

Not saying that these stats are final or whatever, but the comparison between Dangerfield/Sloane and Boak/Gray is definitely not . Now THAT is wearing your Crow-coloured glasses, **** me. Pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that it's awfully close between the two sets of two.

Port > Adelaide as a midfield unit too saying otherwise doesn't make me puke because I don't get that upset about the opinions of idiots i.e. you

Woah mate no need to be a keyboard warrior just promoting healthy discussion.

A few games more experienced? ok then. lol

Stats mean very little and thats based off one season. Gray plays forward flank so of course they are going to get more goals collectively. Dumb comment. You don't base a midfielders talents on goals lol.

hmmm lets look back shall we...
Gray has had 1 good season.
Boak LAUGHABLY overrated. Have you even watched port or do you just listen to VIC medias wankfest over ports 'ragged to riches' BS? He is an accumulator, good leader but has no real x-factor. He's not even elite in my books.

Although, a fair assessment on those players except that Grigg was never sub in a showdown. Although Lyons was.(when we won) Also, whats with these infant analogies?

Danger>Gray>Sloane>Boak for mine.

PS. Jacobs is comfortably better than Lobbe. lol no need to get your underwear in a wad because you lost him for a bag of chips and are stuck with the likes of Kreuzer.

 

[Wild Bill]

Woah mate no need to be a keyboard warrior just promoting healthy discussion.

A few games more experienced? ok then. lol

Stats mean very little and thats based off one season. Gray plays forward flank so of course they are going to get more goals collectively. Dumb comment. You don't base a midfielders talents on goals lol.

hmmm lets look back shall we...
Gray has had 1 good season.
Boak LAUGHABLY overrated. Have you even watched port or do you just listen to VIC medias wankfest over ports 'ragged to riches' BS? He is an accumulator, good leader but has no real x-factor. He's not even elite in my books.

Although, a fair assessment on those players except that Grigg was never sub in a showdown. Although Lyons was.(when we won) Also, whats with these infant analogies?

Danger>Gray>Sloane>Boak for mine.

PS. Jacobs is comfortably better than Lobbe. lol no need to get your underwear in a wad because you lost him for a bag of chips and are stuck with the likes of Kreuzer.

Sloane is front of Boak?? They is a really poor bias call.

I have Boak only slightly behind Danger - he closed the gap as his final v hawks is better than any final Danger has played.

Ports midfield at the top end is as good as the crows but bats way deeper. It's a big reason why their was 7 spot gap between the 2 teams.

 

[scott_the_man]

Like hell gray is better than beams or dangerfield.

were you under a rock this year? he was amazing, had a better year than beams or danger have ever had

 

[cotter101]

Grays 2014 season was comfortably ahead of Dangerfield, Sloane and Beams. Boak's was too imo.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Woah mate no need to be a keyboard warrior just promoting healthy discussion.

A few games more experienced? ok then. lol

Stats mean very little and thats based off one season. Gray plays forward flank so of course they are going to get more goals collectively. Dumb comment. You don't base a midfielders talents on goals lol.

hmmm lets look back shall we...
Gray has had 1 good season.
Boak LAUGHABLY overrated. Have you even watched port or do you just listen to VIC medias wankfest over ports 'ragged to riches' BS? He is an accumulator, good leader but has no real x-factor. He's not even elite in my books.

Although, a fair assessment on those players except that Grigg was never sub in a showdown. Although Lyons was.(when we won) Also, whats with these infant analogies?

Danger>Gray>Sloane>Boak for mine.

PS. Jacobs is comfortably better than Lobbe. lol no need to get your underwear in a wad because you lost him for a bag of chips and are stuck with the likes of Kreuzer.

You're funny

 

[Wargreymon90]

Woah mate no need to be a keyboard warrior just promoting healthy discussion.

A few games more experienced? ok then. lol

Stats mean very little and thats based off one season. Gray plays forward flank so of course they are going to get more goals collectively. Dumb comment. You don't base a midfielders talents on goals lol.

hmmm lets look back shall we...
Gray has had 1 good season.
Boak LAUGHABLY overrated. Have you even watched port or do you just listen to VIC medias wankfest over ports 'ragged to riches' BS? He is an accumulator, good leader but has no real x-factor. He's not even elite in my books.

Although, a fair assessment on those players except that Grigg was never sub in a showdown. Although Lyons was.(when we won) Also, whats with these infant analogies?

Danger>Gray>Sloane>Boak for mine.

PS. Jacobs is comfortably better than Lobbe. lol no need to get your underwear in a wad because you lost him for a bag of chips and are stuck with the likes of Kreuzer.

I suggest you start a poll and see if people share your views

 

[Dredd]

Sloane is front of Boak?? They is a really poor bias call.

I have Boak only slightly behind Danger - he closed the gap as his final v hawks is better than any final Danger has played.

Ports midfield at the top end is as good as the crows but bats way deeper. It's a big reason why their was 7 spot gap between the 2 teams.

Maybe it is bias, but it is my opinion. For me Boak is a very good player and a great leader he doesn't have any real x-factor that sees him in the same echelon as the comps elite.

 

[Wild Bill]

Maybe it is bias, but it is my opinion. For me Boak is a very good player and a great leader he doesn't have any real x-factor that sees him in the same echelon as the comps elite.

Watch the prelim again. X factor and elite performance - he nearly dragged his club into a Grand Final. It's the cross town rival that makes you down play him. He is a gun.

 

[Dredd]

I suggest you start a poll and see if people share your views

I know they don't. Doesn't make me wrong. I agree that port have the better midfield but I would argue that our top end talent is (albeit slightly) better and that the difference in quality between the two mid-fields doesn't warrant the difference in rank that the OP suggested.

 

[Dredd]

Grays 2014 season was comfortably ahead of Dangerfield, Sloane and Beams. Boak's was too imo.

Agreed. no one is arguing that.

 

[Dredd]

were you under a rock this year? he was amazing, had a better year than beams or danger have ever had

lol, ok.

 

[Wild Bill]

Maybe it is bias, but it is my opinion. For me Boak is a very good player and a great leader he doesn't have any real x-factor that sees him in the same echelon as the comps elite.

Also back to back AAs put him in with the best mids in the comp for the last 2 years.

 

[Dredd]

Watch the prelim again. X factor and elite performance - he nearly dragged his club into a Grand Final. It's the cross town rival that makes you down play him. He is a gun.

For arguments sake, what is his x-factor?

 

[HowYouDoin]

were you under a rock this year? he was amazing, had a better year than beams or danger have ever had

And what fact do you have that could possibly prove that your argument is right? Both beams and Dangerfields best season have rated higher than gray in 2014. And let's not forget that both dangerfield and Beams actually polled votes in the brownlow.

Gray is a good player. But he isn't even in the same breathe as dangerfield and beams.

 

[Wild Bill]

For arguments sake, what is his x-factor?

Similar to Selwood - imposes himself on big contests when his team needs him.

 

[scott_the_man]

And what fact do you have that could possibly prove that your argument is right? Both beams and Dangerfields best season have rated higher than gray in 2014. And let's not forget that both dangerfield and Beams actually polled votes in the brownlow.

Gray is a good player. But he isn't even in the same breathe as dangerfield and beams.

and what fact do you base that on? don't contradict yourself

 

[scott_the_man]

FWIW, Gray lead the afl in goal assists this year (33) as well as kicking 42 goals himself and averaging 25 touches and 6 clearances game. do I need to say any more?

 

[Dredd]

Similar to Selwood - imposes himself on big contests when his team needs him.

meh. I'd much rather the raw strength and speed of Dangerfield or the silky skills and clutch goal kicking ability of Beams.

 

[HowYouDoin]

and what fact do you base that on? don't contradict yourself

Wow.. Seriously.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=2&pid2=2310&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2012

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...=20&pid2=3135&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2012

Look at those comparisons. As you can obviously see. Robbie Gray isn't even in the same league as beams and dangerfield. Now stop forcing your opinion as a fact. Because statistics prove that you're wrong.

 

[timtamWB]

meh. I'd much rather the raw strength and speed of Dangerfield or the silky skills and clutch goal kicking ability of Beams.

And why would you have Sloane over him?

 

[scott_the_man]

Wow.. Seriously.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=2&pid2=2310&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2012

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...=20&pid2=3135&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2012

Look at those comparisons. As you can obviously see. Robbie Gray isn't even in the same league as beams and dangerfield. Now stop forcing your opinion as a fact. Because statistics prove that you're wrong.

? those stats are very balanced
statistics prove Gray is far more damaging than the other two. I'm sorry but a couple of extra cheap disposals don't mean shit

 

[timtamWB]

Wow.. Seriously.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...2=2&pid2=2310&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2012

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...=20&pid2=3135&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2012

Look at those comparisons. As you can obviously see. Robbie Gray isn't even in the same league as beams and dangerfield. Now stop forcing your opinion as a fact. Because statistics prove that you're wrong.

What that shows is that Dangerfield gets the ball more and is more inside and more of a midfielder, but Gray makes better use of his possessions and also hits the scoreboard a lot more often, and is more dangerous in front of goal. And he does that from less time on the ground. I'd rather Gray out of the two just going off those stats, because apart from the contested possessions per game, Danger isn't ahead by much in anything, whereas Gray beats him easily in scoring shots, disposal efficiency, and marks inside 50.

I'd honestly forgotten how good Beams' year was, those are amazing stats. Beams' 2012 was better than Gray's 2014, and I would take Beams out of the two just going off those stats.

 

[Dredd]

And why would you have Sloane over him?

First of all he is younger, which counts for alot. Gut runner, tackling machine, inside + outside player, can kick a goal, good leadership qualities, runs hard both ways, cult figure persona. Like I said before, I think it comes down to preference, but I think due to the difference in age Sloane has the edge on him slightly.

 

[HowYouDoin]

? those stats are very balanced

Ignore the bounces, or the games played or the other useless stats and look at the obvious

Dayne beams Averaged over 30 disposals in 2012, while robbie gray averaged 24. While dangerfield also averaged 26

Dayne also leads in uncontested and contestant disposals per game. And effective disposals and rebounds and tackles... You know, pretty much all the stats that actually matters. They're both tied on clearances.

And dangerfield also leads in contestant, tackles, rebounds and clearances.

So. How can you possibly come up with the argument that Gray's 2014 is better than dayne's and dangerfields when dayne beats gray in every single important area of the game. "Actually he smashed Gray in every single important area of the game. And while dangerfield's stats are less dominating. I still consider him ahead. And he is an absolute work horse and doesn't get credited for half the stuff he does.

 

[timtamWB]

First of all he is younger, which counts for alot. Gut runner, tackling machine, inside + outside player, can kick a goal, good leadership qualities, runs hard both ways, cult figure persona. Like I said before, I think it comes down to preference, but I think due to the difference in age Sloane has the edge on him slightly.

You just described Travis Boak.

Honestly, age is massively overrated, especially when it's only a year or a year and a half in it. But like you said, it pretty much comes down to preference, which is fair enough. Both Boak and Sloane are guns.