Opinion Rank the AFL midfields

[Dredd]

What that shows is that Dangerfield gets the ball more and is more inside and more of a midfielder, but Gray makes better use of his possessions and also hits the scoreboard a lot more often, and is more dangerous in front of goal. And he does that from less time on the ground. I'd rather Gray out of the two just going off those stats, because apart from the contested possessions per game, Danger isn't ahead by much in anything, whereas Gray beats him easily in scoring shots, disposal efficiency, and marks inside 50.

I'd honestly forgotten how good Beams' year was, those are amazing stats. Beams' 2012 was better than Gray's 2014, and I would take Beams out of the two just going off those stats.

Of course his efficiency is going to be better they play different roles. An inside midfielder isn't going to be going at 100% efficiency. FYI Robbie Gray isn't the best set shot (maybe his only short coming) and Danger is arguably better up forward when given the chance (he played forward as a junior and is a strong contested mark)

FWIW, hopefully we will see more of Danger on the outside next year under a different coach.

 

[scott_the_man]

Ignore the bounces, or the games played or the other useless stats and look at the obvious

Dayne beams Averaged over 30 disposals in 2012, while robbie gray averaged 24. While dangerfield also averaged 26

Dayne also leads in uncontested and contestant disposals per game. And effective disposals and rebounds and tackles... You know, pretty much all the stats that actually matters. They're both tied on clearances.

And dangerfield also leads in contestant, tackles, rebounds and clearances.

So. How can you possibly come up with the argument that Gray's 2014 is better than dayne's and dangerfields when dayne beats gray in every single important area of the game. "Actually he smashed Gray in every single important area of the game. And while dangerfield's stats are less dominating. He is still ahead and he is an absolutely work horse and doesn't get credited for half the stuff he does.

Conclusion

Dayne = Dangerfield >>>>>> Gray

you're forgetting some of the most important stats. goals and goal assists. gray had more goal assists than any other player in the afl this year as well as kicking 42 goaals himself. I think Gray is far more valuable, just my opinion, don't take it personally

 

[timtamWB]

Of course his efficiency is going to be better they play different roles. An inside midfielder isn't going to be going at 100% efficiency. FYI Robbie Gray isn't the best set shot (maybe his only short coming) and Danger is arguably better up forward when given the chance (he played forward as a junior and is a strong contested mark)

FWIW, hopefully we will see more of Danger on the outside next year under a different coach.

Why is Danger arguably better up forward? Gray has pretty much spent his whole career in the forward line, I'd argue he'd be better up forward. Not to say Danger isn't good up forward, like you said he played forward in his junior career, and has been played forward in his AFL career a bit before. But you're seriously undervaluing Gray's forward instincts and I'd venture to say he's a better forward.

And it's true an inside midfielder isn't going to be going at 100% efficiency, but just watch a game of Danger, and then watch a game of Gray. You'd value Gray's possessions a lot more. Danger might be a beast, but he has a tendency to shank and waste possessions. Gray doesn't do that often.

 

[Dredd]

you're forgetting some of the most important stats. goals and goal assists. gray had more goal assists than any other player in the afl this year as well as kicking 42 goaals himself. I think Gray is far more valuable, just my opinion, don't take it personally

Different roles. Gray isn't a stay at home midfielder. a forward flank if anything. Kicking goals is in his job description. rotate danger and beams through the forward line more often and im sure they will kick goals too.

 

[Dredd]

Why is Danger arguably better up forward? Gray has pretty much spent his whole career in the forward line, I'd argue he'd be better up forward. Not to say Danger isn't good up forward, like you said he played forward in his junior career, and has been played forward in his AFL career a bit before. But you're seriously undervaluing Gray's forward instincts and I'd venture to say he's a better forward.

And it's true an inside midfielder isn't going to be going at 100% efficiency, but just watch a game of Danger, and then watch a game of Gray. You'd value Gray's possessions a lot more. Danger might be a beast, but he has a tendency to shank and waste possessions. Gray doesn't do that often.

Danger is a beast of a contested mark and a fairly good set shot, Gray tends to get his goals through general play. Apples and oranges but one could argue he is the better forward. All i'm saying is that Gray has kicked more goals because he rotates through the forward line more often and therefore, the number of goals kicked is unfair and irrelevant to their capabilities as a midfielder.

 

[timtamWB]

Danger is a beast of a contested mark and a fairly good set shot, Gray tends to get his goals through general play. Apples and oranges but one could argue he is the better forward. All i'm saying is that Gray has kicked more goals because he rotates through the forward line more often and therefore goals kicked is unfair and irrelevant to their capabilities as a midfielder.

There's more to being a good forward than just kicking goals and taking marks. Danger is good at this, but Gray is one of the best in the league at creating goals. He positions himself well enough to get goals, or he takes calculated risks and uses his smarts to either create an opening for another teammate to kick the goal, or get himself into the position to kick a goal himself.

And since, as you say, Gray rotates through the forward line more often, that's why we see Danger with more possessions and more contested possessions, as well as more rebound 50's and the like. So it's not exactly out of the question to say that if Gray and Danger played the same amount of time mid/forward, that Gray would equal or beat Danger's output. But of course that's all hypothetical, and since Gray is so dangerous and valuable near goal, we might not see that happen.

 

[SizeMatters]

Robinson all but set to join the Lions. Adds another hard edge to our midfield rotations. Can't see any team having the depth of the Lions midfield at this point. Our top 5 or 6 mids would slot into any teams midfield rotations easily.

 

[Dredd]

There's more to being a good forward than just kicking goals and taking marks. Danger is good at this, but Gray is one of the best in the league at creating goals. He positions himself well enough to get goals, or he takes calculated risks and uses his smarts to either create an opening for another teammate to kick the goal, or get himself into the position to kick a goal himself.

And since, as you say, Gray rotates through the forward line more often, that's why we see Danger with more possessions and more contested possessions, as well as more rebound 50's and the like. So it's not exactly out of the question to say that if Gray and Danger played the same amount of time mid/forward, that Gray would equal or beat Danger's output. But of course that's all hypothetical, and since Gray is so dangerous and valuable near goal, we might not see that happen.

Good points. However, Gray may not have the tank or size to play solely midfield. Too many variables at play and at the end of the day there is no definitive answer. It will be good to look back at this in a years time and evaluate. See if danger takes his game to a new level and see if Gray produces the goods again. FWIW I believe at the end of their respective careers Danger will boast the better accolades.

 

[Dredd]

Robinson all but set to join the Lions. Adds another hard edge to our midfield rotations. Can't see any team having the depth of the Lions midfield at this point. Our top 5 or 6 mids would slot into any teams midfield rotations easily.

How quickly things change haha

doesn't matter we will still beat you by 100+ points and take Aish.

 

[scott_the_man]

Robinson all but set to join the Lions. Adds another hard edge to our midfield rotations. Can't see any team having the depth of the Lions midfield at this point. Our top 5 or 6 mids would slot into any teams midfield rotations easily.

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[floodbuster]

There's more to being a good forward than just kicking goals and taking marks. Danger is good at this, but Gray is one of the best in the league at creating goals. He positions himself well enough to get goals, or he takes calculated risks and uses his smarts to either create an opening for another teammate to kick the goal, or get himself into the position to kick a goal himself.

And since, as you say, Gray rotates through the forward line more often, that's why we see Danger with more possessions and more contested possessions, as well as more rebound 50's and the like. So it's not exactly out of the question to say that if Gray and Danger played the same amount of time mid/forward, that Gray would equal or beat Danger's output. But of course that's all hypothetical, and since Gray is so dangerous and valuable near goal, we might not see that happen.

Hartlett said in an interview this year that all you can hear from opposition players at a stoppage in Port's F50 is "get on Gray, get on Gray".

 

[floodbuster]

Woah mate no need to be a keyboard warrior just promoting healthy discussion.

A few games more experienced? ok then. lol

Stats mean very little and thats based off one season. Gray plays forward flank so of course they are going to get more goals collectively. Dumb comment. You don't base a midfielders talents on goals lol.

hmmm lets look back shall we...
Gray has had 1 good season.
Boak LAUGHABLY overrated. Have you even watched port or do you just listen to VIC medias wankfest over ports 'ragged to riches' BS? He is an accumulator, good leader but has no real x-factor. He's not even elite in my books.

Although, a fair assessment on those players except that Grigg was never sub in a showdown. Although Lyons was.(when we won) Also, whats with these infant analogies?

Danger>Gray>Sloane>Boak for mine.

PS. Jacobs is comfortably better than Lobbe. lol no need to get your underwear in a wad because you lost him for a bag of chips and are stuck with the likes of Kreuzer.

I think Sloane and Dangerfield are better at going for the hard ball (just) but tend to butcher it more, where as Boak and Gray use the ball better (especially Gray).

 

[floodbuster]

You're kidding yourself if you think Beams is the 104th best player in the AFL. This just shows how flawed the AFL "Official Rankings" are.

Kane Cornes said on radio a few weeks ago that Beams was his hardest tag this year (and he tags every week).

 

[Dredd]

I think Sloane and Dangerfield are better at going for the hard ball (just) but tend to butcher it more, where as Boak and Gray use the ball better (especially Gray).

that has a lot to do with structures too.

Sanderson was quite a shit coach and used the two in the centre square alot and adopted the "contested footy" mantra. Meanwhile, Boak and Gray have a more even mix of contested-outside run and midfield-forward. Sloane and Dangers respective kicks are on par with league average IMO its just because of shitty structures and roles. I've seen Boak burn the ball many a time too.

Dangerfield is comfortably better than all 3 of the aforementioned players when it comes to contested footy. Human battering ram.

 

[Dredd]

Hartlett said in an interview this year that all you can hear from opposition players at a stoppage in Port's F50 is "get on Gray, get on Gray".

lol I call bullshit.

 

[floodbuster]

lol I call bullshit.

Either you think Hamish is lying or you know players or are a player that disagree's. It would make sense since I don't think opposition are letting him run around in the F50 doing what he wants, admittedly opposition have to worry about all the other small forwards in Port's team so they can't stick 6 defenders on him all the time but he is still their number 1 concern (in Hartlett's opinion).

 

[Dredd]

Either you think Hamish is lying or you know players or are a player that disagree's. It would make sense since I don't think opposition are letting him run around in the F50 doing what he wants, admittedly opposition have to worry about all the other small forwards in Port's team so they can't stick 6 defenders on him all the time but he is still their number 1 concern (in Hartlett's opinion).

I'd say Hartlett heard a few players say it once and he's blowing it out of proportion to make Gray sound like the messiah of football.

or your blowing it out of proportion.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Either you think Hamish is lying or you know players or are a player that disagree's. It would make sense since I don't think opposition are letting him run around in the F50 doing what he wants, admittedly opposition have to worry about all the other small forwards in Port's team so they can't stick 6 defenders on him all the time but he is still their number 1 concern (in Hartlett's opinion).

He fishing to get a rise. Ignore him. No clue

 

[floodbuster]

He fishing to get a rise. Ignore him. No clue

Yeah it can get a bit tricky on this site, I've noticed a few Port people who hardly quote anywhere other than the Port board (which they do plenty of) for that reason and also I try to remind myself that a lot of these keyboard warriors could be just kids who are growing up in a world of online trolling.

 

[ArjenTheGreat]

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[Dredd]

He fishing to get a rise. Ignore him. No clue

Yeah it can get a bit tricky on this site, I've noticed a few Port people who hardly quote anywhere other than the Port board (which they do plenty of) for that reason and also I try to remind myself that a lot of these keyboard warriors could be just kids who are growing up in a world of online trolling.

Ok guys. Give it a rest.

Not here to derail the thread, just pointing out the absurdity of the comment.

You 2 seem to post the most crap anyways.

 

[MightyDons4]

Ok guys. Give it a rest.

Not here to derail the thread, just pointing out the absurdity of the comment.

You 2 seem to post the most crap anyways.

You try to shut down the agreement, then try to stir some shit with your last sentence. Getting conflicting messages here.