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Ranking the Crows Players

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I was recently sent a PM (from an opposition supporter) asking me to rank the Adelaide Crows players from best to worst. I thought it might also make for an interesting off-season discussion, seeing as there's not a lot else happening on the board right now.

I'll let you lot decide for yourself what constitutes "best to worst". My own rankings differ significantly from the club's (as revealed by the Club Champion voting). Some of it is based on potential, some of it is based on recent performance, some of it is based on where I expect them to be in 2009.

Here's the list I sent back:
1. Nathan Bock * clear #1
2. Scott Thompson
3. Jason Porplyzia
4. Tyson Edwards
5. Ben Rutten
6. Nathan Van Berlo
7. Ivan Maric
8. Bernie Vince
9. Andrew McLeod
10. David Mackay
11. Simon Goodwin
12. Graham Johncock
13. Michael Doughty
14. Robert Shirley
15. Chris Knights
16. Scott Stevens
17. Brent Reilly
18. Jonathon Griffin
19. Brad Symes
20. Brad Moran
21. Kurt Tippett
22. Taylor Walker
23. Nick Gill
24. Richard Douglas
25. Trent Hentschel * due to long term injury
26. Brett Burton * due to long term injury
27. Andy Otten
28. Patrick Dangerfield
29. Aaron Kite
30. Jared Petrenko
31. Greg Gallman
32. Jarrhan Jacky
33. Myke Cook
34. James Sellar
35. James Moss
36. Brodie Martin
37. Tony Armstrong

Bock & Thompson were a clear #1 and #2 for me. Bock won the club champion and our Player of the Year voting. He was our only AA player this year. No surprise that he's #1. Despite his poor performance in the final, Thompson is still our #1 midfielder and as such he's definitely the #2 ranked player at the club for me.

Looking down the lower end of the list, Armstrong is last because he's the only remaining player on our list who is yet to make his SANFL league debut.

Macca & Goody are a lot lower than people will expect. This is because they had poor seasons in 2008, albeit affected by injury. I'm almost certain that 2009 will be the end for both of them and I'm just hoping that they will both go out in style, not having gone one year too many as Nigel Smart did before them.

The group from 13-19 was hard to split. You could easily shuffle them around in virtually any order and I wouldn't argue the toss.

Some are going to be upset that I have Moran ahead of Tippett. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Moran's performances late in the season, particularly his game against Carlton, far exceeded anything I saw from Tippett last year. There are strong parallels between these two players, both coming late to the game having grown up playing other sports (Rugby, Soccer & Basketball), both are around the same age (only 4 months difference). For all that, Moran seems to be considerably further developed than Tippett which is why I ranked him higher.

So, feel free to dissect my list or make your own.
 
Andrew McLeod
Jason Porplyzia
Scott Thompson
Nathan Bock
Ben Rutten
Simon Goodwin
Brett Burton** based on talent
Brent Reilly
Tyson Edwards
David Mackay
Trent Hentschel** based on talent
Ivan Maric
Nathan Van Berlo
Richard Douglas
Bernie Vince
Kurt Tippett
Graham Johncock
Michael Doughty
Chris Knights
Brad Symes
Scott Stevens
Robert Shirley
Brad Moran
Jonathon Griffen
Nick Gill
Taylor Walker
Patrick Dangerfield
Aaron Kite
Jared Petrenko
Andy Otten
Jarrhan Jacky
James Sellar
Myke Cook
Tony Armstrong
Greg Gallman
Brodie Martin
James Moss

I was asked aswell, I tried to go off first picked style, I admit in hindsight I got a few out and also the rookies aren't really ranked becuase I don't know enough about them
I also basically put anyone who didn't play after the last player who actually got a game.

The big mistakes I think I made was Nick Gill so low, I was looking on a 1st pick basis for '09 but still he wouldn't be the last of our senior guys picked
saying that we only have 25 players who have played more than 10 games of AFL so maybe he is the 25th ranked player.

I also have Mcleod First, because he is a star, a champion and IMO first picked every week that he is fit. That leaves me with simon Goodwin down to low because in reality he is 2nd picked as he is captain, but taking that out of account I reckon Thompson, Porps and Bock would be picked first.

anyway I found it tough and people are free to have a shot at me, but at least be constructive.

*Stevens and Shirely are also too low, and Symes and Knights too high but I'm not going to change it now.
 
Vader, was this list based on their season performance, importance to the club, their rankings on what they will be etc etc?

Just re-read it, don't worry about my Q
 
My list would be fairly similar to capatalist's, with McLeod down a few spots and stiffy a fair bit higher (terrible end of the season, but he's been fantastic for a long time before that and i have confidence he'll get back there)

Edit: and Vince above tricky Ricky
 

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I would have Scott Stevens higher up the list due to the fact with the loss of Torney, Bassett and Massie in the last two seasons he is now our only genuine third tall defender option at the moment. We have guys who are yet to debut who might end up being guns in the role but at the moment Stevo is all we have.
 
Macca for me would be midtable. He has lost his extra bit of pace and is getting caught out more often. I would of liked to see him retire this year.

Agree with Vader on Moran and Tip. Moran is a standout better player than Tippet. He can play in more positions and is a better forward than Tip. Ruck is the only area Tippet is better than Moran. Chiefly due to strength.

My top ten would be

Bock
Thompson
VB
Porps
Maric
Edwards
Rutten
Griffin
Johncock
McKay


I would love to see Walker get games this year an propel himself alongside Bock.

Vince Knights Symes Moran are the next group.
 
1. Nathan Bock
2. Scott Thompson
3. Jason Porplyzia
4. Tyson Edwards
5. Ben Rutten
6. Nathan Van Berlo
7. Ivan Maric
8. Bernie Vince
9. Kurt Tippett
10. David Mackay
11. Nick Gill
12. Graham Johncock
13. Michael Doughty
14. Robert Shirley
15. Chris Knights
16. Scott Stevens
17. Brent Reilly
18. Jonathon Griffin
19. Brad Symes
20. Brad Moran
21. Andrew McLeod
22. Taylor Walker
23. Richard Douglas
24. Trent Hentschel
25. Brett Burton
26. Andy Otten
27. Patrick Dangerfield
28. Aaron Kite
29. Jared Petrenko
30. Greg Gallman
31. Jarrhan Jacky
32. Myke Cook
33. James Sellar
34. James Moss
35. Brodie Martin
36. Tony Armstrong
37. Simon Goodwin
 
Bock, Nathan
Thompson, Scott
Rutten, Ben
Porplyzia, Jason
van Berlo, Nathan
Goodwin, Simon
Edwards, Tyson
Johncock, Graham
Burton, Brett
Vince, Bernie
McLeod, Andrew
Reilly, Brent
Tippett, Kurt
Maric, Ivan
Dangerfield, Patrick
Knights, Chris
Symes, Brad
Mackay, David
Walker, Taylor
Stevens, Scott
Moran, Brad
Douglas, Richard
Hentschel, Trent
Doughty, Michael
Otten, Andy
Griffin, Jonathon
Kite, Aaron
Shirley, Robert
Petrenko, Jared
Sellar, James
Gill, Nick
Cook, Myke
Jacky, Jarrhan
Moss, James
Martin, Brodie
Gallman, Greg
Armstrong, Tony
 
1. Nathan Bock
2. Scott Thompson
3. Jason Porplyzia
4. Tyson Edwards
5. Ben Rutten
6. Nathan Van Berlo
7. Ivan Maric
8. Bernie Vince
9. Kurt Tippett
10. David Mackay
11. Nick Gill
12. Graham Johncock
13. Michael Doughty
14. Robert Shirley
15. Chris Knights
16. Scott Stevens
17. Brent Reilly
18. Jonathon Griffin
19. Brad Symes
20. Brad Moran
21. Andrew McLeod
22. Taylor Walker
23. Richard Douglas
24. Trent Hentschel
25. Brett Burton
26. Andy Otten
27. Patrick Dangerfield
28. Aaron Kite
29. Jared Petrenko
30. Greg Gallman
31. Jarrhan Jacky
32. Myke Cook
33. James Sellar
34. James Moss
35. Brodie Martin
36. Tony Armstrong
37. Simon Goodwin


LOL @ Nick Gill at 11.

Edit: just saw Goody last and realised you are joking.
 
Bock, Nathan
Thompson, Scott
Rutten, Ben
Porplyzia, Jason
van Berlo, Nathan
Goodwin, Simon
Edwards, Tyson
Johncock, Graham
Burton, Brett
Vince, Bernie
McLeod, Andrew
Reilly, Brent
Tippett, Kurt
Maric, Ivan
Dangerfield, Patrick
Knights, Chris
Symes, Brad
Mackay, David
Walker, Taylor
Stevens, Scott
Moran, Brad
Douglas, Richard
Hentschel, Trent
Doughty, Michael
Otten, Andy
Griffin, Jonathon
Kite, Aaron
Shirley, Robert
Petrenko, Jared
Sellar, James
Gill, Nick
Cook, Myke
Jacky, Jarrhan
Moss, James
Martin, Brodie
Gallman, Greg
Armstrong, Tony

I would have Scott Stevens, Michael Doughty and Robert Shirley a little bit higher than what you had them and Patrick Dangerfield and Taylor Walker for the interim a bit lower. But this list is about spot on for me.
 
I was recently sent a PM (from an opposition supporter) asking me to rank the Adelaide Crows players from best to worst. I thought it might also make for an interesting off-season discussion, seeing as there's not a lot else happening on the board right now.

I'll let you lot decide for yourself what constitutes "best to worst". My own rankings differ significantly from the club's (as revealed by the Club Champion voting). Some of it is based on potential, some of it is based on recent performance, some of it is based on where I expect them to be in 2009.

Here's the list I sent back:
1. Nathan Bock * clear #1
2. Scott Thompson
3. Jason Porplyzia
4. Tyson Edwards
5. Ben Rutten
6. Nathan Van Berlo
7. Ivan Maric
8. Bernie Vince
9. Andrew McLeod
10. David Mackay
11. Simon Goodwin
12. Graham Johncock
13. Michael Doughty
14. Robert Shirley
15. Chris Knights
16. Scott Stevens
17. Brent Reilly
18. Jonathon Griffin
19. Brad Symes
20. Brad Moran
21. Kurt Tippett
22. Taylor Walker
23. Nick Gill
24. Richard Douglas
25. Trent Hentschel * due to long term injury
26. Brett Burton * due to long term injury
27. Andy Otten
28. Patrick Dangerfield
29. Aaron Kite
30. Jared Petrenko
31. Greg Gallman
32. Jarrhan Jacky
33. Myke Cook
34. James Sellar
35. James Moss
36. Brodie Martin
37. Tony Armstrong

Bock & Thompson were a clear #1 and #2 for me. Bock won the club champion and our Player of the Year voting. He was our only AA player this year. No surprise that he's #1. Despite his poor performance in the final, Thompson is still our #1 midfielder and as such he's definitely the #2 ranked player at the club for me.

Looking down the lower end of the list, Armstrong is last because he's the only remaining player on our list who is yet to make his SANFL league debut.

Macca & Goody are a lot lower than people will expect. This is because they had poor seasons in 2008, albeit affected by injury. I'm almost certain that 2009 will be the end for both of them and I'm just hoping that they will both go out in style, not having gone one year too many as Nigel Smart did before them.

The group from 13-19 was hard to split. You could easily shuffle them around in virtually any order and I wouldn't argue the toss.

Some are going to be upset that I have Moran ahead of Tippett. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Moran's performances late in the season, particularly his game against Carlton, far exceeded anything I saw from Tippett last year. There are strong parallels between these two players, both coming late to the game having grown up playing other sports (Rugby, Soccer & Basketball), both are around the same age (only 4 months difference). For all that, Moran seems to be considerably further developed than Tippett which is why I ranked him higher.

So, feel free to dissect my list or make your own.

2 things for me standout here

1. I cant believe you and other have Mackay so high. Very promising debut year but he just cant be ahead of Johncock, Knights, Stevens yet

2. As our stars have aged we've lost match winners/game breakers. Bock and Thommo high class players and i agree rank 1 and 2 but not game breakers. As we start 2009 we have exactly 1 player (Porps) who might be regarded as a game breaker/match winer in 2009. Makes it hard to win big matches against good opposition. Solid players we've got but.....

We need Walker, Dangerfield and Mackay to develop into those sort of players
 
Macca & Goody are a lot lower than people will expect. This is because they had poor seasons in 2008, albeit affected by injury. I'm almost certain that 2009 will be the end for both of them and I'm just hoping that they will both go out in style, not having gone one year too many as Nigel Smart did before them.

Just missing the Club champion award is a poor season ???
 

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I really hate threads like this.

1. Nathan Bock
2. Scott Thompson
3. Jason Porplyzia
4. Tyson Edwards
5. Ben Rutten
6. Nathan Van Berlo
7. Ivan Maric
8. Bernie Vince
9. Kurt Tippett
10. David Mackay
11. Nick Gill
12. Graham Johncock
13. Michael Doughty
14. Robert Shirley
15. Chris Knights
16. Scott Stevens
17. Brent Reilly
18. Jonathon Griffin
19. Brad Symes
20. Brad Moran
21. Andrew McLeod
22. Taylor Walker
23. Richard Douglas
24. Trent Hentschel
25. Brett Burton
26. Andy Otten
27. Patrick Dangerfield
28. Aaron Kite
29. Jared Petrenko
30. Greg Gallman
31. Jarrhan Jacky
32. Myke Cook
33. James Sellar
34. James Moss
35. Brodie Martin
36. Tony Armstrong
37. Gets!

Delisted:
38.Simon Goodwin
 
Just missing the Club champion award is a poor season ???

The Adelaide Board here had him finishing equal 11th. From where I was sitting that was a better assessment of his season. Still scratching my head to work out how he finished 2nd - must have got a LOT of votes early in the season before his back injury flared up.

It was poor by his standards, which still made it a better season than 2/3 of our list.
 

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Why have you all got RICHARD DOUGLAS ranked 23/24 spot:confused:......why not higher?

Has to work on his tank and body size

Now i'm a fan of him but if he doesn't he'll remain a midfielder playing as a small forward who doesn't have a massive inclination to kick goals.

Endurance is a massive problem for me, he's a fair way off in his engine.

But if he gets that right he'll be much higher on the list
 
Has to work on his tank and body size

Now i'm a fan of him but if he doesn't he'll remain a midfielder playing as a small forward who doesn't have a massive inclination to kick goals.

Endurance is a massive problem for me, he's a fair way off in his engine.

But if he gets that right he'll be much higher on the list


Nice explanation....I agree with Endurance...he may come up short there.

But I expect him to have a good year.
 
1. Jason Porplyzia
2. Nathan Bock
3. Scot Thompson
4. Tyson Edwards
5. Nathan Van Berlo
6. Brad Moran
7. Andrew McLeod
8. Ben Rutten
9. David Mackay
10. Ivan Maric

The reason why i rank Porplyzia as number 1 is because of what he did against Sydney. Not only did we win against Sydney, he also gave us another chance at playing in the finals.
 
how would you rank the juniors at the club this year ???

1 Otten
2 Walker
3 Petrenko
4 Dangerfield
5 Kite
6 Moss
7 Martin
8 Curnow
9 Sellar
 

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