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[Hinequarters]

Blatantly ripped off another site, who would you shuffle up or down?


10. Scott Pendlebury A+
32. Travis Cloke A+
36. Dane Swan A+

17. Dayne Beams A
20. Ben Reid A

22. Steele Sidebottom A-
12. Luke Ball A-

8. Harry O’Brien B+
34. Alan Toovey B+

1. Alex Fasolo B
2. Sam Dwyer B
3. Brent Macaffer B
4. Brodie Grundy B
6. Tyson Goldsack B
13. Taylor Adams B
16. Nathan Brown B
18. Jesse White B
19. Jamie Elliott B
23. Lachlan Keeffe B
24. Josh Thomas B
26. Marley Williams B
40. Paul Seedsman B

5. Nick Maxwell B-
11. Jarryd Blair B-
14. Clinton Young B-
28. Ben Sinclair B-

7. Ben Kennedy C+
15. Jarrod Witts C+
21. Quinten Lynch C+
27. Tony Armstrong C+
33. Patrick Karnezis C+
37. Kyle Martin C+
25. Ben Hudson C+

29. Tim Broomhead C
48. Caolan Mooney C
35. Matthew Scharenberg C
39. Nathan Freeman C
41. Tom Langdon C
43. Adam Oxley C
45. Jack Frost C
46. Jonathon Marsh C
31. Jackson Ramsay C

38. Peter Yagmoor D
44. Corey Gault D
9. Marty Clarke D

 

[Jonno94]

Beams A+

 

[Temploar]

Not bad, but I think a few of the players have been over-rated

A Graders:
10. Scott Pendlebury A+
32. Travis Cloke A+
36. Dane Swan A+
17. Dayne Beams A
20. Ben Reid A
22. Steele Sidebottom A-
12. Luke Ball A-

B Graders:
8. Harry O’Brien B+
19. Jamie Elliott B+
34. Alan Toovey B+
26. Marley Williams B
1. Alex Fasolo B
2. Sam Dwyer B
4. Brodie Grundy B
16. Nathan Brown B
23. Lachlan Keeffe B
24. Josh Thomas B
13. Taylor Adams B
3. Brent Macaffer B
40. Paul Seedsman B-
18. Jesse White B-
6. Tyson Goldsack B-
5. Nick Maxwell B-
11. Jarryd Blair B-
14. Clinton Young B-

C Graders:
28. Ben Sinclair C+
7. Ben Kennedy C+
15. Jarrod Witts C+
21. Quinten Lynch C+
33. Patrick Karnezis C+
37. Kyle Martin C+
25. Ben Hudson C+
29. Tim Broomhead C
35. Matthew Scharenberg C
39. Nathan Freeman C
41. Tom Langdon C
43. Adam Oxley C
45. Jack Frost C
46. Jonathon Marsh C
31. Jackson Ramsay C
48. Caolan Mooney C-
27. Tony Armstrong C-

D Graders:
38. Peter Yagmoor D
44. Corey Gault D
9. Marty Clarke D

 

[Hinequarters]

Beams A+

Without the injury riddled year absolutely

 

[ThisIsJake]

A fit clinton young would be a B or B+ i think.
And blair was our leading tackler this year, i'd have him comfortably at a B.

And dwyer and white probably haven't proven enough for a B, maybe both at C+

 

[loki04]

Elite:
S.Penndlebury
T.Cloke
D.Swan

A+:
B.Reid (potential to become elite imo).

A:
D.Beams

A-:
Sidebottom
L.Ball

B+
Jamie Elliott
Harry O’Brien

Alan Toovey
Marley Williams

B:
Sam Dwyer
Brodie Grundy
Nathan Brown
Lachlan Keeffe
Josh Thomas
Taylor Adams
Jesse White
Paul Seedsman
Clinton Young
Ben Kennedy
Alex Fasolo

C /Role players: (I consider C grade players just below average afl players usually the players who fill roles and have little upside or are limited in ability to hurt the opposition, though integral parts of a teams success at times)

Brent Macaffer
Tyson Goldsack
Jarryd Blair
Nick Maxwell
Ben Sinclair
Quinten Lynch
Ben Hudson
Tony Armstrong
Marty Clarke

Developing yet to prove any AFL rating:


Jarrod Witts
Patrick Karnezis
Tim Broomhead
Matthew Scharenberg
Nathan Freeman
Tom Langdon
Adam Oxley
Jack Frost
Jonathon Marsh
Jackson Ramsay
Caolan Mooney
Peter Yagmoor
Kyle Martin

D:
Corey Gault

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Sidebottom I would have as a B+. Not consistent enough to be an A, or an A+

Fasolo is a B-

Macaffer is a B- too, same boat as Sidebottom, too inconsistent for my liking. Probably a bit harsh on him considering his tagging jobs in 2013.

Blair is a B. No way he deserves to be in the same category as Maxwell, Young and Sinclair.

 

[esc0bar]

Lots of players being over-rated here... Seedman a B? Common now he has hardly played any consistently good football in his 28 career games. Brodie Grundy the same in his 7 career games. These are players that should be automatically regulated to C- until they prove themselves.

 

[jmac70]

Lots of players being over-rated here... Seedman a B? Common now he has hardly played any consistently good football in his 28 career games. Brodie Grundy the same in his 7 career games. These are players that should be automatically regulated to C- until they prove themselves.

Agreed. Also include Goldsack, Adams (both of them), White, Keeffe, Maxwell, Young and Sinclair as players that are not currently B grade. I would also query if Ball, Sidebottom and Reid are also currently A grade players. Of course a number of these players could improve next season, which will need to happen if we are to make the finals.

 

[RuFiO]

Lots of players being over-rated here... Seedman a B? Common now he has hardly played any consistently good football in his 28 career games. Brodie Grundy the same in his 7 career games. These are players that should be automatically regulated to C- until they prove themselves.

The hell you smoking?
All of our players are worth 1st rounders MINIMUM.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Agreed. Also include Goldsack, Adams (both of them), White, Keeffe, Maxwell, Young and Sinclair as players that are not currently B grade. I would also query if Ball, Sidebottom and Reid are also currently A grade players. Of course a number of these players could improve next season, which will need to happen if we are to make the finals.

Goldsack is a B. So is Keeffe and Sinclair. They are all passable in games, they might not be standout, but they are not a detriment to the side and add something whenever they play. That is B standard.

And Reid is definitely an A grade. Does his job defensively week in week out when at CHB, plus adds strong rebound. Moves forward, will kick at least 2 goals.

Ball's reputation at least gives him an A.

 

[jmac70]

Goldsack is a B. So is Keeffe and Sinclair. They are all passable in games, they might not be standout, but they are not a detriment to the side and add something whenever they play. That is B standard.

And Reid is definitely an A grade. Does his job defensively week in week out when at CHB, plus adds strong rebound. Moves forward, will kick at least 2 goals.

Ball's reputation at least gives him an A.

I view an A as being elite, B as a good player and a C as standard. Ball was an A and hopefully will get back there. I stand by the rest.

 

[loki04]

B for me is average AFL player, ie neither poor nor great.

Even though the Reg "Ninja" Grundy played 7 games they were of at least B grade standard barring the final vs Lobbe. I have no doubt he will be a B grade player at a minimum 2014 on.

 

[Bard]

Changes are in bold.

10. Scott Pendlebury A+
32. Travis Cloke A+
36. Dane Swan A+
17. Dayne Beams A+

20. Ben Reid A, borderline A+, should reach it this year.

12. Luke Ball A-, would be an A with a full season.

4. Brodie Grundy B+, on hype/potential
22. Steele Sidebottom B+
34. Alan Toovey B+

8. Harry O’Brien B, at his best is an A-
1. Alex Fasolo B
13. Taylor Adams B
16. Nathan Brown B
19. Jamie Elliott B
23. Lachlan Keeffe B
24. Josh Thomas B
26. Marley Williams B


2. Sam Dwyer B-
3. Brent Macaffer B-
5. Nick Maxwell B-
6. Tyson Goldsack B-
11. Jarryd Blair B-
14. Clinton Young B-
18. Jesse White B-
28. Ben Sinclair B-
40. Paul Seedsman B-

7. Ben Kennedy C+
15. Jarrod Witts C+
21. Quinten Lynch C+

33. Patrick Karnezis C+
37. Kyle Martin C+
25. Ben Hudson C+
45. Jack Frost C+

9. Marty Clarke C
29. Tim Broomhead C
48. Caolan Mooney C
35. Matthew Scharenberg C
39. Nathan Freeman C
41. Tom Langdon C
43. Adam Oxley C

46. Jonathon Marsh C
31. Jackson Ramsay C

27. Tony Armstrong D
38. Peter Yagmoor D
44. Corey Gault D

 

[Rocky Racoon]

Here's my version. In brackets is a potential grade for players who I don't think have reached their potential yet. I didn't

10. Scott Pendlebury A+
32. Travis Cloke A+
36. Dane Swan A
17. Dayne Beams A- (A+)
20. Ben Reid A- (A+)
22. Steele Sidebottom B+ (A)
34. Alan Toovey B+
4. Brodie Grundy B (A+)
12. Luke Ball B
23. Lachlan Keeffe B (A)
26. Marley Williams B (A-)
24. Josh Thomas B- (B+)
19. Jamie Elliott B- (B+)
13. Taylor Adams B- (A-)
8. Harry O’Brien B-
1. Alex Fasolo B- (A)
16. Nathan Brown B-
3. Brent Macaffer B-

2. Sam Dwyer C+
6. Tyson Goldsack C+ (B)
11. Jarryd Blair C+
18. Jesse White C+ (B+)
40. Paul Seedsman C+ (A)
7. Ben Kennedy C+ (A-)
35. Matthew Scharenberg C+ (A)
5. Nick Maxwell C
14. Clinton Young C
28. Ben Sinclair C (C+)
15. Jarrod Witts C (A+)
21. Quinten Lynch C
27. Tony Armstrong C (B)
33. Patrick Karnezis C (B+)
37. Kyle Martin C
25. Ben Hudson C
29. Tim Broomhead C (B+)
48. Caolan Mooney C (B)
39. Nathan Freeman C (A-)
41. Tom Langdon C (B+)
43. Adam Oxley C (B+)
45. Jack Frost C (B)
46. Jonathon Marsh C- (A)
9. Marty Clarke C-
31. Jackson Ramsay D
38. Peter Yagmoor D (B-)
44. Corey Gault D

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Alex Fasolo B
Sam Dwyer B
Lachlan Keeffe B
Josh Thomas B
Paul Seedsman B
I think you have rated them too highly. Fas has yet to show that he can play an unselfish team game (both offensively and defensively) that will be required to keep a spot in our forward line.
Dwyer is a good quality depth player (roster spots 16-25) and won't ever be more than that.
Keefe - I have never had much confidence in his lockdown defensive abilities. He has shown that he has potential, but I always get nervous when he is on a key forward.
Thomas and Seedsman still need to show a lot more consistency but are getting there.

Nathan Brown B

Jamie Elliott B

I would put both as B+. Even when not kicking goals, Elliot was still providing a lot of pressure around the ball - and as the year progressed seemed to be slowly learning to play as the crumber when we've got our bigs in the contest. I feel Elliot is a much better small forward option than Fas.



Taylor Adams B
Jesse White B
(let's wait for them to play for us first)

Nick Maxwell B-
Jarryd Blair B-
Harsh call on both. Especially given the youngsters you rated above them. I clearly disagree with both.


Tony Armstrong C+
Patrick Karnezis C+
Are probably unlikely to play (maybe 1-2 games) this year, so should probably be lower.

Can't really comment on the guys below that.

 

[loki04]

Alex Fasolo B
Sam Dwyer B
Lachlan Keeffe B
Josh Thomas B
Paul Seedsman B
I think you have rated them too highly. Fas has yet to show that he can play an unselfish team game (both offensively and defensively) that will be required to keep a spot in our forward line.
Dwyer is a good quality depth player (roster spots 16-25) and won't ever be more than that.
Keefe - I have never had much confidence in his lockdown defensive abilities. He has shown that he has potential, but I always get nervous when he is on a key forward.
Thomas and Seedsman still need to show a lot more consistency but are getting there.

Nathan Brown B

Jamie Elliott B

I would put both as B+. Even when not kicking goals, Elliot was still providing a lot of pressure around the ball - and as the year progressed seemed to be slowly learning to play as the crumber when we've got our bigs in the contest. I feel Elliot is a much better small forward option than Fas.



Taylor Adams B
Jesse White B
(let's wait for them to play for us first)

Nick Maxwell B-
Jarryd Blair B-
Harsh call on both. Especially given the youngsters you rated above them. I clearly disagree with both.


Tony Armstrong C+
Patrick Karnezis C+
Are probably unlikely to play (maybe 1-2 games) this year, so should probably be lower.

Can't really comment on the guys below that.

Depends on how highly you rate a B grader i guess.

For me it is the average afl player, Fas has shown enough although inconsistently to be rated as Ave ditto the others.

For others it is a good player.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

You overrate Steele and underrate Beams who is undoubtedly elite/A+. The bloke has averaged over thirty possessions and a goal a game since the end of 2011. On a 'per game' basis he has been our best player over that period and that includes Swan, Pendlebury and Cloke. Had it not been for his injury, Ablett aside, he would be one of the front runners for best in the league over a two season period.

His performances have been nothing short of immense.

 

[THATSGOLD]

A+ would equal the perfect player. Clokes kicking is not that.

Swan A+
Pendlebury A
Beams A
Cloke A
Reid B
Sidebottom B

Then it falls away very badly.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

A+ would equal the perfect player. Clokes kicking is not that.

Swan A+
Pendlebury A
Beams A
Cloke A
Reid B
Sidebottom B

Then it falls away very badly.

Yet, Cloke ranks 1st in goals per game counting finals. 2nd in the Coleman, not counting finals LOL

 

[Hinequarters]

A+ would equal the perfect player. Clokes kicking is not that.

Swan A+
Pendlebury A
Beams A
Cloke A
Reid B
Sidebottom B

Then it falls away very badly.

Not as badly as your posting falls away.. Seriously Pendles not A+.. when are you going to stop being such an infant

 

[sr36]

As a teacher, god you guys mark easily. To me C is average (in the literal sense), B is good, A is very good and A+ is excellent.

So essentially, I think the A- guys are really B. The B+ guys are B. The B guys are C and anyone below B is a D or worse.

Having said that, most of the lists are ordered similarly to how I'd order them. The player I'd move down is Ball and I expect that we will be moving Adams up pretty quickly.

 

[Bard]

As a teacher, god you guys mark easily. To me C is average (in the literal sense), B is good, A is very good and A+ is excellent.

So essentially, I think the A- guys are really B. The B+ guys are B. The B guys are C and anyone below B is a D or worse.

Having said that, most of the lists are ordered similarly to how I'd order them. The player I'd move down is Ball and I expect that we will be moving Adams up pretty quickly.

I agree re: the marking scheme. Personally just went with what was provided as a guideline. In retrospect it would also have been good to remove any players who are yet to play a game with us, as we can't really provide a subjective view on them within Collingwood as of yet.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Yet, Cloke ranks 1st in goals per game counting finals. 2nd in the Coleman, not counting finals LOL

But has probably lost us as many games in the past two years than he has won us. So no way he would be an A+

 

[TheFreshBanana]

But has probably lost us as many games in the past two years than he has won us. So no way he would be an A+

Yes because someone who averages 3 goals a game is OBVIOUSLY the one losing us the game.

Do you actually believe this?