Rate The List

[shaunxx]

Curious to see everyones views on the players standings within our list.
Try to stick to general football ability as of now rather than potential.

IMO the list looks a little something like this:

1.Dane Swan (A+) Elite midfielder, does it all.
2.Alan Didak (A+) Highly skilled player, has the "X" factor.
3.Scott Pendlebury (A+) Silky smooth, ball winner.

4.Heath Shaw (A) Fantastic rebound defender.
5.Darren Jolly (A) Great tap work, moves around the ground well.
6.Dale Thomas (A) Took his game to a new level, skillful and hard.
7.Luke Ball (A) Great contested ball winner, hard at it.

8.Nick Maxwell (B+) General in defence, reads ball well, leads by example.
9.Harry O'Brien (B+) Good rebound defender, struggles to shake a tag.
10.Sharrod Wellingham (B+) Big improver, adds pace and skill.

11.Travis Cloke (B) Great contested mark, fades out of games.
12.Ben Johnson (B) Plays his role well, solid contributer.
13.Chris Tarrant (B) Solid in defence, can swing both ways.
14.Andrew Krakouer (B) Brings pace and talent.
15.Leigh Brown (B) Trys his heart out, brings aggression.
16.Steele Sidebottom (B) Very talented, big game player.
17.Dayne Beams (B) Hard at it, good disposal.
18.Ben Reid (B) Re-invented himself as a defender, great kick.

19.Leon Davis (C+) Down at the moment, as good as anyone when on.
20.Simon Prestigiacomo (C+) Shut down defender, lacks an offensice side.
21.Alan Toovey (C+) Plays his role well, hasnt shown enough to be rated higher
22.Chris Dawes (C+) Strong body and good mark, needs to assert himself in the forward line more.
23.Tyson Goldsack (C+) Talented, hasnt set the world on fire.

24.Brent Macaffer (C) Defensive forward, another who plays his role week in week out.
25.Nathan Brown (C) Solid, plays on the key forwards, needs on offensive game.
26.Brad Dick (C) Good crumbing forward adds flair but pushed off the footy too easily.
27.Jarryd Blair (C) Attacks the ball hard and great defensive pressure.
28.John Anthony (C) Struggling to assert himself at either end of the ground.
29.Cameron Wood (C) Still needs time to become a strong bodied ruckman.

30.Simon Buckley (D+) Showed glimpses at Melbourne, questionable disposal.
31.John McCarthy (D+) Struggles at AFL level
32.Jaxson Barham (D+) Great pace, disposal an issue.
33.Anthony Corrie (D+) Has talent but left it at Brisbane.
34.Ryan Cook (D+) Has shown glimpses, cant break into the AFL side.

35.Luke Rounds (D) Was on the verge of AFL selection, needs more time.
36.Josh Thomas (D) Very good inside midfielder, possibly needs another season
37.Ben Sinclair (D) Another inside midfielder, will need more time.
38.Jarrad Blight (D) Been on the list for a couple of seasons, possible list clogger.
39.Jonathon Ceglar (D) A long-term prospect.
40.Lachlan Keefe (D) Showing glimpses in VFL. (ROOKIE)
41.Tom Hunter (D) Present in the best a few times in VFL. (ROOKIE)
42.Scott Reed (D) Possible KPP prospect. (ROOKIE)
43.Jack Carter (D) Needs more time. (ROOKIE)
44.Tristan Francis (D) Needs more time. (ROOKIE)
45.Seamus McNamara (D) International prospect, has athletic ability, still learning, needs alot of time. (ROOKIE)

KEY:
(A+) - Elite
(A) - Star
(B+) - Great Player
(B) - Good player
(C+) - Above Average
(C) - Average
(D+) - Below Average
(D) - Untried at AFL level.

 

[the_champ_2004]

Curious to see everyones views on the players standings within our list.
Try to stick to general football ability as of now rather than potential.

IMO the list looks a little something like this:

1.Dane Swan (A+) Elite midfielder, does it all.
2.Alan Didak (A+) Highly skilled player, has the "X" factor.
3.Scott Pendlebury (A+) Silky smooth, ball winner.

4.Heath Shaw (A) Fantastic rebound defender.
5.Darren Jolly (A) Great tap work, moves around the ground well.
6.Dale Thomas (A) Took his game to a new level, skillful and hard.
7.Luke Ball (A) Great contested ball winner, hard at it.

8.Nick Maxwell (B+) General in defence, reads ball well, leads by example.
9.Harry O'Brien (B+) Good rebound defender, struggles to shake a tag.
10.Sharrod Wellingham (B+) Big improver, adds pace and skill.

11.Travis Cloke (B) Great contested mark, fades out of games.
12.Ben Johnson (B) Plays his role well, solid contributer.
13.Chris Tarrant (B) Solid in defence, can swing both ways.
14.Andrew Krakouer (B) Brings pace and talent.
15.Leigh Brown (B) Trys his heart out, brings aggression.
16.Steele Sidebottom (B) Very talented, big game player.
17.Dayne Beams (B) Hard at it, good disposal.
18.Ben Reid (B) Re-invented himself as a defender, great kick.

19.Leon Davis (C+) Down at the moment, as good as anyone when on.
20.Simon Prestigiacomo (C+) Shut down defender, lacks an offensice side.
21.Alan Toovey (C+) Plays his role well, hasnt shown enough to be rated higher
22.Chris Dawes (C+) Strong body and good mark, needs to assert himself in the forward line more.
23.Tyson Goldsack (C+) Talented, hasnt set the world on fire.

24.Brent Macaffer (C) Defensive forward, another who plays his role week in week out.
25.Nathan Brown (C) Solid, plays on the key forwards, needs on offensive game.
26.Brad Dick (C) Good crumbing forward adds flair but pushed off the footy too easily.
27.Jarryd Blair (C) Attacks the ball hard and great defensive pressure.
28.John Anthony (C) Struggling to assert himself at either end of the ground.
29.Cameron Wood (C) Still needs time to become a strong bodied ruckman.

30.Simon Buckley (D+) Showed glimpses at Melbourne, questionable disposal.
31.John McCarthy (D+) Struggles at AFL level
32.Jaxson Barham (D+) Great pace, disposal an issue.
33.Anthony Corrie (D+) Has talent but left it at Brisbane.
34.Ryan Cook (D+) Has shown glimpses, cant break into the AFL side.

35.Luke Rounds (D) Was on the verge of AFL selection, needs more time.
36.Josh Thomas (D) Very good inside midfielder, possibly needs another season
37.Ben Sinclair (D) Another inside midfielder, will need more time.
38.Jarrad Blight (D) Been on the list for a couple of seasons, possible list clogger.
39.Jonathon Ceglar (D) A long-term prospect.
40.Lachlan Keefe (D) Showing glimpses in VFL. (ROOKIE)
41.Tom Hunter (D) Present in the best a few times in VFL. (ROOKIE)
42.Scott Reed (D) Possible KPP prospect. (ROOKIE)
43.Jack Carter (D) Needs more time. (ROOKIE)
44.Tristan Francis (D) Needs more time. (ROOKIE)
45.Seamus McNamara (D) International prospect, has athletic ability, still learning, needs alot of time. (ROOKIE)

KEY:
(A+) - Elite
(A) - Star
(B+) - Great Player
(B) - Good player
(C+) - Above Average
(C) - Average
(D+) - Below Average
(D) - Untried at AFL level.

Would Blight have been listed as a possible list clogger four weeks ago? I think not.

Also when Blair come into the side it was out of him and Rounds so Rounds was inches away from the step up.

 

[shaunxx]

Would Blight have been listed as a possible list clogger four weeks ago? I think not.

Also when Blair come into the side it was out of him and Rounds so Rounds was inches away from the step up.

Other than that, how do you see it?

 

[Zahki]

Good list, agree with most of it. I think you have Luke Ball a little too high, he's been great for us this year but he's a role player like Leigh Brown who has a specific job, albeit a very important one. I'd have him down with the Bs. Beams has been very good most of the year, poor finals hurts him but I'd have him up with Wellingham. No idea how you can rate Krakouer or Tarrant when they havn't even played a single game with us yet.

 

[shaunxx]

Good list, agree with most of it. I think you have Luke Ball a little too high, he's been great for us this year but he's a role player like Leigh Brown who has a specific job, albeit a very important one. I'd have him down with the Bs. Beams has been very good most of the year, poor finals hurts him but I'd have him up with Wellingham. No idea how you can rate Krakouer or Tarrant when they havn't even played a single game with us yet.

Like Simon Buckley, I rated Tarrant and Krakeour in past AFL performances. Looking back on it now, I probably should have had Krakeour down lower as his AFL experience was some time ago.

 

[Syphoncom]

Largely agree, but do think Cloke is a B+ quite easily. Definitely as good as Wellingham imo, and far more important to the team.

Nathan Brown better than the average player as well, I don't think if you looked at the average AFL defender you'd find that would be him. Has only recently started to come on, but when you remove the ridiculously good (i.e. reputation/developed) defenders like Scarlett, I think he's up there.

I imagine the list doesn't take into account upside (that is it's where the player is currently at - like Presti). I think you've given yourself a hard task separating it into such different groups, unlike a straight A/B/C.

Only other difference I could see would be Ball not bettering Nick/Harry and think it's definitely wrong to say he's 2 points higher than Clokey.

But yeah... fair calls really.

 

[Hagla]

Ceglar is a bit low?

 

[mattys123]

Dawes only a C+? Damn, Dave will tear this thread to bits when he finds it.

But I do rate Dawes higher then that also, to have the likes of Beams, Sidey, Leeroy, Taz and Krak ahead of him seems a little "off".

But good effort, and a good thread, shows our lists depth, even with so many experienced players leaving, we still have very good depth to at least the 29th player. (Although I'd add Rounds to that 29 straight away, he would have played seniors if not for injury).

 

[the_champ_2004]

Curious to see everyones views on the players standings within our list.
Try to stick to general football ability as of now rather than potential.

IMO the list looks a little something like this:

1.Dane Swan (A+) Elite midfielder, does it all.
2.Alan Didak (A+) Highly skilled player, has the "X" factor.
3.Scott Pendlebury (A+) Silky smooth, ball winner.

4.Heath Shaw (A) Fantastic rebound defender.
5.Darren Jolly (A) Great tap work, moves around the ground well.
6.Dale Thomas (A) Took his game to a new level, skillful and hard.
7.Luke Ball (A) Great contested ball winner, hard at it. Lower

8.Nick Maxwell (B+) General in defence, reads ball well, leads by example.
9.Harry O'Brien (B+) Good rebound defender, struggles to shake a tag.
10.Sharrod Wellingham (B+) Big improver, adds pace and skill.

11.Travis Cloke (B) Great contested mark, fades out of games.Higher
12.Ben Johnson (B) Plays his role well, solid contributer.
13.Chris Tarrant (B) Solid in defence, can swing both ways.
14.Andrew Krakouer (B) Brings pace and talent. Lower on AFL history but I do rate him.
15.Leigh Brown (B) Trys his heart out, brings aggression.
16.Steele Sidebottom (B) Very talented, big game player.
17.Dayne Beams (B) Hard at it, good disposal.
18.Ben Reid (B) Re-invented himself as a defender, great kick.

19.Leon Davis (C+) Down at the moment, as good as anyone when on.
20.Simon Prestigiacomo (C+) Shut down defender, lacks an offensice side.
21.Alan Toovey (C+) Plays his role well, hasnt shown enough to be rated higher
22.Chris Dawes (C+) Strong body and good mark, needs to assert himself in the forward line more. Maybe higher. Key to our structure.
23.Tyson Goldsack (C+) Talented, hasnt set the world on fire.

24.Brent Macaffer (C) Defensive forward, another who plays his role week in week out.
25.Nathan Brown (C) Solid, plays on the key forwards, needs on offensive game. Could be higher but I'm still suspect on him. Goes to ground far too easily for mine.
26.Brad Dick (C) Good crumbing forward adds flair but pushed off the footy too easily.
27.Jarryd Blair (C) Attacks the ball hard and great defensive pressure.
28.John Anthony (C) Struggling to assert himself at either end of the ground.
29.Cameron Wood (C) Still needs time to become a strong bodied ruckman.

Next list is basically players that have played AFL and won't make it.
30.Simon Buckley (D+) Showed glimpses at Melbourne, questionable disposal.
31.John McCarthy (D+) Struggles at AFL level
32.Jaxson Barham (D+) Great pace, disposal an issue.
33.Anthony Corrie (D+) Has talent but left it at Brisbane.
34.Ryan Cook (D+) Has shown glimpses, cant break into the AFL side.

35.Luke Rounds (D) Was on the verge of AFL selection, needs more time.
36.Josh Thomas (D) Very good inside midfielder, possibly needs another season
37.Ben Sinclair (D) Another inside midfielder, will need more time.
38.Jarrad Blight (D) Been on the list for a couple of seasons, possible list clogger.
39.Jonathon Ceglar (D) A long-term prospect.
40.Lachlan Keefe (D) Showing glimpses in VFL. (ROOKIE)
41.Tom Hunter (D) Present in the best a few times in VFL. (ROOKIE)
42.Scott Reed (D) Possible KPP prospect. (ROOKIE)
43.Jack Carter (D) Needs more time. (ROOKIE)
44.Tristan Francis (D) Needs more time. (ROOKIE)
45.Seamus McNamara (D) International prospect, has athletic ability, still learning, needs alot of time. (ROOKIE)

KEY:
(A+) - Elite
(A) - Star
(B+) - Great Player
(B) - Good player
(C+) - Above Average
(C) - Average
(D+) - Below Average
(D) - Untried at AFL level.

They are my adjustments.

 

[Takahashi Tank]

We do have a wonderful list currently.

IMO, T.Cloke, C.Dawes and N.Brown should all be a level higher.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Brent MaCaffer a C grade player?? No way, he's a c+ at the very worst. I'd have him a comfortable B. He's the kind of guy who needs to improve next year so we can get even better, and i think he will.

 

[Suspense]

merge B and C+ (v even team) and move caf and brown up.

 

[damuzzdu]

Brent MaCaffer a C grade player?? No way, he's a c+ at the very worst. I'd have him a comfortable B. He's the kind of guy who needs to improve next year so we can get even better, and i think he will.

This. Caff went from just making the 22 late last year, to now easily in our best 22. Was good -->> v.good (not brilliant I will agree) across all finals, played his role. Has been one of the reasons why our list is so much better now.

I would have Sidey as B+ now. His class really showed on the big stage. If he takes that form of GF1 & GF2 into season 2011, then might even bump him nearly into the "A" level. Was a dead unlucky imo not to win the NS, but then we had Scooott Embeluryyy -

As for Daisy, well Mike Sheehan ranked him 9 and Didak at 14 in his end of season wrap , and I would agree, so that would make Daisy "A+" grade. If there had been a NS awarded across both GF's Daisy would have won it easily.

 

[4#Didak#4]

I have stuck to a squad of 30, the others are unlikely to play next year so are all Es:

1.Dane Swan (A+) .
2.Alan Didak (A+)
3.Scott Pendlebury (A+)

4.Heath Shaw (A)
5.Darren Jolly (A)
6.Dale Thomas (A)
7.Harry O'Brien (A) He is an All Oz defender these days

8.Travis Cloke (B+) Best contested mark in comp. Kicking improves he is A+.
9.Nick Maxwell (B+)

10.Luke Ball (B) Not an A just does his job well.
11.Sharrod Wellingham (B)
12.Steele Sidebottom (B) Will be an A this time next year
13.Ben Reid (B) Key player now.
14.Chris Dawes (B) Also now a key player
15.Chris Tarrant (B) Hard to call him a C, but find it hard to rate him B?

16.Leigh Brown (C+) Great season but still not a B
17.Dayne Beams (C+) Needs to do more in the middle to step up to B
18.Simon Prestigiacomo (C+)
19.Alan Toovey (C+)
20.Tyson Goldsack (C+)
21.Brent Macaffer (C+)
22.Nathan Brown (C+) Showed he can match Presti now
23.Ben Johnson (C+) He is sliding and will be the next older player relegated
24.Leon Davis (C+)

25.Brad Dick (C) Could be a B if stays uninjured
26.Jarryd Blair (C)
27.John Anthony (C)
28.Andrew Krakouer (C) Potential only at this stage

29.Cameron Wood (D)
30.John McCarthy (D-)

We may not have the As of a Geelong or Saints, but our strength is in the Bs & C+, most clubs are playing Cs & Ds in their 22 regularly.

We are not going to be effected by injuries as much as other clubs, some are just dependent on their stars. The main injury that would really hurt us is Darren Jolly. Can Wood step up & cover a Jolly injury?

 

[Manic Shadow]

Brent MaCaffer a C grade player?? No way, he's a c+ at the very worst. I'd have him a comfortable B. He's the kind of guy who needs to improve next year so we can get even better, and i think he will.

This...

 

[Invigoration]

Dick, Macaffer, Blair and Brown are all better than Goldsack.

Presti's still well above a C+ when he gets on the park. I'd switch Leigh Brown and Toovey without much fuss either, still think Toovey is underrated around here. Rarely beaten by his direct opponent which is his number 1 role, starting to add a bit more flair and rebound which is an added bonus.
Wellingham down a few notches for Cloke.

I must be starting to sound like a broken record as well, but Jmac will make it at AFL level if his body stays in one piece.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Players are ultimately rated on final's performances and as such some of your ratings do not take account of performances on the big stage. In the GF, Dawes was the best big forward, Macaffer was vital early and Sidebottom was an absolute gun. N brown did well against Riewoldt and Toovey had a good final's series. Your ratings for all these players are too low.

 

[Knightmare]

A+:

Dane Swan

Alan Didak

Scott Pendlebury

Dale Thomas

Darren Jolly

A:

Travis Cloke

Luke Ball

Nick Maxwell

Harry O’Brien

Heath Shaw

B+:

Simon Prestigiacomo

Dayne Beams

Andrew Krakouer

Chris Tarrant

Ben Reid

Sharrod Wellingham

Alan Toovey

Leigh Brown

Ben Johnson

B:

Steele Sidebottom

Brent Macaffer

Chris Dawes

Jarryd Blair

Tyson Goldsack

Nathan Brown

Brad Dick

C+:

Leon Davis

Tarkyn Lockyer

Paul Medhurst

John McCarthy

Josh Fraser

Jack Anthony

Cameron Wood

C:

Jaxson Barham

Shane O’Bree

Josh Thomas

Simon Buckley

Luke Rounds

Lachlan Keeffe

Scott Reed

D+:

Tom Hunter

Ben Sinclair

Jarrad Blight

D:

John Ceglar

Tristan Francis

Jack Carter

Shae McNamara

Sean Rusling

Ryan Cook

Anthony Corrie

 

[DaVe86]

Nice effort from the OP.


Taking nothing away from the effort, but I think Collingwood is the sort of side where assigning letter grades to its players is a bit of a pointless exercise.

Many "experts" (staring at you Robert Walls) failed to credit the Pies with many A grade players.

We are really a case where everyone plays within their limitations and does a job for the side.

Brent Macaffer and Chris Dawes may only be a C in terms of ability, but their output in the GF was equivalent to any A grader. Dawes doesn't get great stats but presents...Macaffer makes defenders accountable.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Changes in blue. Explanations in black.

ELITE SUPERSTAR
1.Dane Swan (A+) Elite midfielder, does it all. He is in the best couple in the league so I had to separate him from Pendles and Didak at this time and I count both of them in the elite category.


A+ ELITE
2.Alan Didak (A+) Highly skilled player, has the "X" factor.
3.Scott Pendlebury (A+) Silky smooth, ball winner.

A GRADER
4.Heath Shaw (A) Fantastic rebound defender.
5.Darren Jolly (A) Great tap work, moves around the ground well.
9.Harry O'Brien (B+) Good rebound defender, struggles to shake a tag. Up from B+

B+
6.Dale Thomas (A) Took his game to a new level, skillful and hard. Not quite there yet but based on his finals performances I think he will be next year.
8.Nick Maxwell (B+) General in defence, reads ball well, leads by example.
11.Travis Cloke (B) Great contested mark, fades out of games. Up from B, best contester mark in the AFL, huge engine
13.Chris Tarrant (B) Solid in defence, can swing both ways. Up from B. Underrated on this board, awesome defender on both smalls and talls
17.Dayne Beams (B) Hard at it, good disposal. Underrated on this board based on his Grand final performances. This bloke was an absolute gun throughout the season. The best player at spotting up an inside 50 target in the competition in 2010. Long way ahead of Sidebottom at this point.
20.Simon Prestigiacomo (C+) Shut down defender, lacks an offensive side. Up from C+ which was criminal. He is still the best pure stopper in the league. You can't underrate a defender by saying he is "only an excellent defender". He will never be an A grader because of this but C+ is ridiculous.

B
12.Ben Johnson (B) Plays his role well, solid contributer.
7.Luke Ball (A) Great contested ball winner, hard at it. DOWN FROM A GRADE. He is not a "great player." He is a very good role player who is very very limited in other areas. He is a vital cog but not a star.
10.Sharrod Wellingham (B+) Big improver, adds pace and skill. DOWN FROM A GRADE. I think he'll be an A grader next year though. Too inconsistent at this point to be in the same class as those above him but has the ability to go past a few in my opinion.
18.Ben Reid (B) Re-invented himself as a defender, great kick.
16.Steele Sidebottom (B) Very talented, big game player.

C+
19.Leon Davis (C+) Down at the moment, as good as anyone when on.
21.Alan Toovey (C+) Plays his role well, hasnt shown enough to be rated higher
15.Leigh Brown (B) Trys his heart out, brings aggression. Too inconsistent to be anything but "above average" right now
22.Chris Dawes (C+) Strong body and good mark, needs to assert himself in the forward line more.
23.Tyson Goldsack (C+) Talented, hasnt set the world on fire.
26.Brad Dick (C) Good crumbing forward adds flair but pushed off the footy too easily. Up from C for mine. This bloke is no average player, will be a gun if he can get some continuity into his game.
28.John Anthony (C) Struggling to assert himself at either end of the ground. A 50 goal player at 21 is not an average player. His problem was that he couldn't compete with the absolute monster defenders in 2009 for strength. He needed to gain strength in the preseason and his injury meant that he came into 2010 even weaker. If he can have a good preseason and have a good run at it I think he could be a very very goos player for us.
25.Nathan Brown (C) Solid, plays on the key forwards, needs on offensive game. Only beaten once in 2010 and that was by Franklin. Definitely an above average player.
24.Brent Macaffer (C) Defensive forward, another who plays his role week in week out. Crucial in the Grand Final in setting up the lead. His 1 on 1 ability is elite. A role player but definitely above average.

C
14.Andrew Krakouer (B) Brings pace and talent. Still unproven so I have him as an average player right now, no prejudices. I have a feeling he will be lot higher come this time next year though.
27.Jarryd Blair (C) Attacks the ball hard and great defensive pressure.


D+
[/COLOR] 29.Cameron Wood (C) Still needs time to become a strong bodied ruckman. Dud at this stage.
30.Simon Buckley (D+) Showed glimpses at Melbourne, questionable disposal.
31.John McCarthy (D+) Struggles at AFL level
32.Jaxson Barham (D+) Great pace, disposal an issue.
33.Anthony Corrie (D+) Has talent but left it at Brisbane.
34.Ryan Cook (D+) Has shown glimpses, cant break into the AFL side.

D
35.Luke Rounds (D) Was on the verge of AFL selection, needs more time.
36.Josh Thomas (D) Very good inside midfielder, possibly needs another season
37.Ben Sinclair (D) Another inside midfielder, will need more time.
38.Jarrad Blight (D) Been on the list for a couple of seasons, possible list clogger.
39.Jonathon Ceglar (D) A long-term prospect.
40.Lachlan Keefe (D) Showing glimpses in VFL. (ROOKIE)
41.Tom Hunter (D) Present in the best a few times in VFL. (ROOKIE)
42.Scott Reed (D) Possible KPP prospect. (ROOKIE)
43.Jack Carter (D) Needs more time. (ROOKIE)
44.Tristan Francis (D) Needs more time. (ROOKIE)
45.Seamus McNamara (D) International prospect, has athletic ability, still learning, needs alot of time. (ROOKIE)

KEY:
(A+) - Elite
(A) - Star
(B+) - Great Player
(B) - Good player
(C+) - Above Average
(C) - Average
(D+) - Below Average
(D) - Untried at AFL level.

 

[Markfs]

Someone needs to watch the grand finals a few times. I've watched them about 5 so far and you got to be kidding with Sidebottom. To rate him lower than Beams is just not logical. I know Beamsy looks all cool with those tats and sounds like James Dean but watch the games..

Macaffer the same as Cam Wood??? umm...have a look at the first quarter in the reply GF. I'll have to write to Brent and advise him to get some tats so people will love him more. Obviously, a cool head and strong tackling doesnt work for him.

 

[doppleganger]

Gee people are pumping up the Krak!!

He was never anything special at Richmond.....sure we all hope he has matured and can continue his good WAFL form, but the step up from WAFL to AFL is enormous.....guys like Lockyer were still elite VFL players!!

Tarrant if fit is a gem, he was pushing for AA honours this year at Freo....he has the size to play on the monsters, and the pace and tank to run with guys like Franklin and Riewoldt.

Cloke also should be in the top handful, he is that important to us.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Someone needs to watch the grand finals a few times. I've watched them about 5 so far and you got to be kidding with Sidebottom. To rate him lower than Beams is just not logical. I know Beamsy looks all cool with those tats and sounds like James Dean but watch the games..

Macaffer the same as Cam Wood??? umm...have a look at the first quarter in the reply GF. I'll have to write to Brent and advise him to get some tats so people will love him more. Obviously, a cool head and strong tackling doesnt work for him.

Beams is better than Sidebottom.
Macaffer is better than Wood. Wood is a hack.

On the Beams v Sidebottom comparison, think about this. I'm not saying this is what happened throughout the year because Sidey definitely contributed but if a player gets zero touches in every game throughout the season and gets 30 touches and kicks 5 goals in the Grand Final, he will rightfully win the Norm Smith Medal. Is he a better player than a guy that got 24 touches a week at a goal a game until the Grand Final yet got zero touches in the big dance? Hell no. Beams was in our best 10 players this year easily and Sidebottom was lucky to stay in the side after about Round 16, he was a passenger and making mistakes left right and centre. His Grand Finals were brilliant but Beams still had a far better season.

 

[Thommo 42]

Beams is NOt better than Sidebottom and Sidey is a B+ at a bare minimum.

 

[Zahki]

Someone needs to watch the grand finals a few times. I've watched them about 5 so far and you got to be kidding with Sidebottom. To rate him lower than Beams is just not logical. I know Beamsy looks all cool with those tats and sounds like James Dean but watch the games..

See thats your problem, you need to stop watching the Grand Finals and watch the H&A games. Sidebottom was very average for the last half of the year, Beams was far more consistent and got involved in pretty much every game, as you'd expect because he's one year older and played most of last year as well.