Rate your(please restrain yourself from making it godlike)

[chrisjudd3]

Rate your club in these following areas and gloat, and which of its strengths will take you to a flag now or in the near future:

Rate out of 10(10 being excellent and 1 being crap):

- Depth(How good is your club's player list's depth, does it have a great spread of talent?)

- Flexibility

- Young talent (are they something to write home about?)

- Senior players (are they playing at their peak or wasting space)

- Attack

- Defence

- Midfield

- Coaching staff

- Consistency

 

[ScouseCat]

Geelong

Depth

6 - We're improving in this area through our young players getting more games under their belt.

Flexibility

6 - I think we are reasonably flexible with where certain players can play but this could be even better if our coaching staff tried different things when we're losing.

Young talent

9 - One of the best young lists in the AFL... Corey, Spriggs, Enright, Kelly, Bartel, Steve and David Johnson, Ablett, Chapman, Ling, Scarlett, etc etc.

Senior players

3 - We fall down in this area with only Graham, Riccardi, Sanderson, Milburn and White over the age of 25. White will most likely retire at the end of the season anyway, a shaddow of the player he was at the Eagles.

Attack

4 - Our attack isn't very potent and it's been well documented that we'll be on the lookout for a key position forward at the end of the season.

Defence

8 - Can hold their own against most teams in the competition with Scarlett leading the way at full back, Harley, Graham, (when he's not playing up forward) Sanderson, Milburn, Rooke, Rahilly and Wojcinski.

Midfield

6 - Our midfield has the potential to be very good with King leading the way in the ruck, and the likes of Ling, Corey, Spriggs, Kelly, Enright, Chapman, Ablett and Bartel rotating through the middle. Riccardi is the veteran of this group but will play more and more up forward as he nears the end of his career.

Coaching staff

4 - Mark Thompson is great for our youngsters but I'm not convinced the support staff he has around him have what it takes to take Geelong that next step.

Consistency

5 - Like most young sides, we struggle in this area despite being competitive in all our matches this season. We seem to have trouble concentrating for the entire 4 quarters which has cost us dearly this season.

In summary, despite our poor record of 5-10 so far this season, it's not all doom and gloom down at Skilled Stadium. Geelong certainly has the potential to rise quickly up the ladder in the next couple of years, but we need to address a couple of weaknesses before we can do that.

 

[mongrelpunt]

My take on the Essendon Football Club:

- Depth:

6 - Definitely not as good as was a few years ago, but when our senior side is at full strength, the VFL team takes all before them. Depth is very young, but is better than most other clubs.

- Flexibility:

4 - Defensively is much higher, with the likes of Jacobs, Bolton, Fletcher, Wellman, Welsh, Solomon, Lucas and McVeigh all able to play down back, but its up front where it drags things down.

- Young talent:

8 - Some of the younger Essendon blokes are now starting to show their wares, with Richards, Bullen, Cupido & Welsh all now senior quality; Reynolds, McGrath, Harvey and Forster-Knight getting closer; and the club drafting Watson, Lay****, Winderlich and the like for the future.

- Senior players:

5 - Hird is the standout, but after that its not a pretty sight. Alessio is gone, Mercuri (while he still has a brilliant football brain) is getting too slow in being elusive, Misiti is on the downward slide, and Fletcher can't stay out of the tribunal.

- Attack:

5 - Sometimes are too Lloyd-focused, but the addition of Damien Cupido and David Hille floating forward can cause headaches. Lucas' big left foot bombs can hurt, but usually only at the Dome.

- Defence:

8 - Still one of the best defences in the league, but can be hurt by the mid-sized forwards (ie Scott Welsh, Chad Cornes). McVeigh has been a good small defender this year.

- Midfield:

6 - One word - speed. Apart from the Johnsons, there isn't much of it in the Bomber midfield, but Misiti & Hird can still find it, Rioli & Ramanauskas have the class, Peverill can cut out another (slower) midfielder well while getting alot himself, and young blokes like Bullen & McGrath can add a bit of youth to the group. But a burst of speed (a la Chris Judd) would be perfect for the Bombers with the other blokes around him (I can imagine a center line for Essendon of Ramanauskas - Judd - M.Johnson!).

- Coaching staff:

7 - Sheedy's credentials can't be questioned, but he seems more intent in promoting the club rather than fully focusing on the coaching side, while Harvs will be a senior coach within 2 years (either at Essendon or elsewhere)

- Consistency

2 - Definetly not in the Essendon dictionary at the moment. Biggest winning streak this year is 2 (Rnds 4-5 and 13-14), Losing Streaks of 2 (Rnds 6-7 & 11-12), and Win-Loss-Win-Loss in between. Need to win at least 4 in a row to have any hope in September.

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In summary, while the Bombers are mathematical chances for the 8, they have only beaten 2 sides in the 8 (Collingwood on ANZAC Day and West Coast at the Dome), as well as a very big average losing margin when interstate. The next 7 games are all in Melbourne, and (form wise) the toughest game will be against the Lions on Saturday. To use a cliche, if Essendon don't win on Saturday night, then the season is all but over, but if they win, they can build some momentum during the next month with games against Melbourne, Carlton, the Dogs and Richmond.

 

[bacon buster]

yeah i think that's a pretty accurate grading of essendon
although i probably wouldn't rate our youngsters that highly, as many are unproven. maybe a 7.

 

[liz]

Sydney

OK - I'll have a go at the Swannies

Depth

5- Probably better than we thought at the start of the year with a few of the kids showing they are ready to play a role and the 20-23 age group stepping up a level across the board. Still a bit of a concern though - if we lost a couple of key players we'd be stuffed in the short-term.

Confident that longer term prognosis on depth front is better than current.

Flexibility

7- Pretty good in that there are lots of players in the team capable of playing different roles.

Game plan flexibility probably a little untested at this stage. Not clear that we have a good Plan B when the normal game plan isn't working, for whatever reason.

Young talent

6-7- A lot of it is untested at this stage but signs from reserves comp and glimpses from senior performances show promise. Depending on how you define "young", players like Goodes, C&J Bolton, O'Keefe, Davis, Schneider, Doyle, Saddington look like they'll be able to play consistently good footy for many years to come, and there's another group behind them looking fine thus far.

Senior players

8 - There may not be an out-and-out superstar (in the Voss, McLeod mould) amongst them, but the senior group of players are all playing very good football at the moment and most should be able to go round for another year or two - Williams, Ball, Maxfield, Cresswell. Cressa will be a huge loss when he leaves us though.

The middle age group is solid as well, with the likes of Barry, Hall, Kirk and O'Loughlin all playing good footy.

Attack

8- Probably our strength, particularly when we kick straight. Lots of quality players down in the forward line, and lots of variety too. Midfield are also good, consistent contributors on the scoreboard.

Defence

5- Stats say we're doing OK at the moment (in top half dozen this season and recent ones too) but on paper certainly looks to be the weakness. Really need a fullback - Saddington, Schauble, Bolton battle manfully when given the job but its not their best position, for any of them. Probably the area that needs to be fixed if we're to become a serious contender any time soon.

Midfield

6 - Decent at the moment, though certainly not stellar. Dependence on veteran players something of a concern and there doesn't look to much currently lingering in the reserves, at least in terms of tough ball-getters. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, and this is possibly the easiest area to change quickly given smaller young players tend to develop a bit quicker. Need an inspired draft choice or two in next couple of years.

Coaching staff

6- Thus far looking pretty good, but I've marked them down a little because Roos is untested over the longer term. Doesn't seem to be doing much wrong at the moment though.

Consistency

7- This is based on this season only. In recent years we've been shocking in this regard. Probably only played a couple of really ordinary games this year, taking into account the opposition. Greatest asset is consistency across the team. We don't rely on a couple of players to win matches for us.

Overall, definitely placed better than we looked to be this time last year. However, probably a few gaps to be filled before we become a top flight team.

 

[Magpie Magician]

- Depth 10

- Flexibility 10

- Young talent 10

- Senior players 10

- Attack 9

- Defence 10

- Midfield 10

- Coaching staff 10

- Consistency 9

 

[thommoone]

Ill do my take on the swans also:

Depth:
6 - Better than expected. A number of youngsters getting some games under the belt and a couple of surprises in Shneider and to a lesser extent Bolton increase the depth. I see this area only on the up in the coming years

Flexibiity:
7 - One of the better areas. Saddington, Shauble, Barry, Crouch, Doyle, Goodes and the like can all play numerouse positions

Young talent:
5 - As good maybe a touch better than most swans fans thought, but a heck of a lot better than what others said at the start of the season. Still could do with a few top 10 draft picks though Shneider, Powell and LRT have shown a lot this year in the first year in seniors

Senior Players:
6/7 - Like Liz said, no superstars just good consistent contributers. (Ball, Cresswell, Williams and Maxfield) all deserve their spots and are a key part in the makeup of the team.

Attack:
8 - Easily our best area. Hall, Davis, Magic, Goodes, Shneider, and throw in O'Keefe and Nicks. VERY potent

Defence:
5 - Getting the job done this year, but has been help severely by our midfield pressure. Definately need a big strong KP

Midfield:
6 - Rely to heavily on senior players with only J. Bolton really asserting himself this year as a major contributor (Note Kirk has been fantastic also. Need Fosdike, Ablett, Shneider, Davis, McVeigh to fill the void in the next couple of years.

Coaching Staff:
7 - Roosy has been terrific

Consistency:
9 - Gotten over the last few years of ups and downs to become very consistent this year

 

[Freo Hitman]

- Depth - 7
- Flexibility -7
- Young talent - 8
- Senior players - 6
- Attack - 7
- Defence - 9
- Midfield - 6
- Coaching staff - 8
- Consistency - 7

 

[Kenny_01]

Re: Geelong

Depth

6.5 - We have a bit of depth but probably not as much as we would like in the midfield. We have been relatively lucky with injuries (which could be contributed to our conditioning coaches who work very hard to minimize injuries) but on the weekend, the likes of Croad, T. Longmuir, Haines, Siegert, Clive etc didn't get a game so our depth can't be too bad.

Flexibility

7 - We are pretty flexible up forward and down back... the likes of Pavlich, McPharlin, Polak, etc will be able to play back or forward, and some of our midfielders are pretty handy forwards like Hasleby. Not to flexible in the midfield though and often rely on the same players.

Young talent

10 - Abundance of young talent, especially in key positions and in the backline. Talented players 22 or under - Pavlich, Longmuir, McPharlin, Polak, Hasleby, Hayden, Woods, Headland, Haddrill, Sandilands, Grover, Schammer, Medhurst. Other players like Carr, Simmonds, Croad, Koops are still relatively young.

Senior players

5 - Not to many senior players in our team, and with the exception of Bell and Parker, must of our guns are our younger players (mentioned above). This year, have got good contributions from McManus, Cook, Walker, etc... but the future is very much with our younger players.

Attack

6.5 - We have a lot of names up forward but I think our setup at times leaves a bit to be desired. We often kick to contests rather than kicks to advantage (we are 16th in the comp in kicks to advantage inside 50 I think). It was working great in the early/mid part of the season but has really fallen off. Plenty of talent down there though.

Defence

9 - Very inexperienced backline but have stood up brilliantly this year. Polak, Hayden, Woods, McPharlin and Haddrill only had a handful of games experience before the season but they have been amongst our most consistant players. Polak, although still light in frame has been able to hold up a key defensive post and is 2nd in the competition in contested marks, Woods and Hayden have been terrific and have provided great run off half back. Hayden has been awesome in the back pocket holding the likes of Matera nearly kickless until the last few minutes of the derby. Woods has been our most improved player. Haddrill always does his job and also provides good run. McPharlin has stepped in and has been great over the last few weeks also, and now Parker is back and fit, he has been one of our most consistant players over the years.

Midfield

7 - We have some talented players in the midfield (Pavlich, Hasleby, Bell, Headland, Carr, Schammer, etc) and they have played really well in some games, but have gone missing in others as well. I think our structures still need working on and we are still missing an tough inside midfielder. One of our main weaknesses has been in the clearances. Other than that, our midfield is very hard running and sometimes it can be too much to handle for slower sides at Subi.

Coaching staff

7 - Connolly has been great this season in developing our side in where we can be amongst the top 4 consistantly over the next 5 years. The jury will still be out though until we reach the goals he has set. At times, I think our coaching staff could implement better structures in the midfield and forward line though.

Consistency

6 - Our season, like last season has been very much WLWLWLW besides during the stretch where we won 5 in a row. Very consistant at home but inconsistant away. Slowly, I think we are starting to gain some consistancy in our game but it is still a long way from the required level.

 

[Magpie Magician]

Re: Re: Rate your(please restrain yourself from making it godlike)

I'll have a go at rating Essendon:

- Depth 3 Jobe Watson? lmao

- Flexibility 5

- Young talent 2 Jobe Watson? lmao

- Senior players 4 They're either always injured or always getting suspended.

- Attack 6 Lloyd only with a few good games a year by Cupido. Hird when he plays forward.

- Defence 5 Fletcher? lmao Wellman only.

- Midfield 4

- Coaching staff 1 Sheedy is long past it and Harvey can't get a gig anywhere.

- Consistency 3 Consistently good at underachieving.

 

[Mead]

- Depth 8- Pretty impressive, we have a large array of decent sorts cooling their heels in WAFL. With one or two exceptions, if people don't play well, they're dropped, simply because there is someone else waiting.

- Flexibility 9 - A huge strength of ours. We can go big or small, push our midfielders forward, or slow the game down and turn it into a physical contest. Guys like Judd, Haynes, Jones, Chick Wirrpunda and Embley show up all over the ground, and we've specialised in creating mismatches, by throwing out things like 190cm wingmen, or 188cm FFs

- Young talent 9 -
Sampi, Judd, Kerr, McDougall, Gaspar, Green and Hunter look tasty enough. However, keep in mind that most of our key players are under 25, eg, Cousins, Gardiner, Fletcher, Embley, Wirrpunda Haynes et al. The core of our team all of have probably at least 6-7 good years together

- Senior players 6
We have 4 regulars hitting their late 20s and heading into their 30s. Chick is a solid contributor, Banfield is handy, although definitely not anywhere near what he once was. McIntosh is on his last legs, and will be gone at the end of this year. Jakovich is perhaps the most interesting one- really cannot handle CHB these days, but has been reborn at the opposite end of the ground, and may have a few good years left in him yet.

- Attack 10
Highest scoring team in the league by a long long way. We play a small, versatile attacking unit which specialises in locking the ball in our forward line through defensive pressure, and then getting numbers to the contests. It works as well as than any other forward line in the league.

- Defence 4
Our biggest weakness, still trying to find the cattle to fill the imminent voids of Jakovich and McIntosh. Glass shows promise at FB, but we lack a viable CHB at the moment. Flankers in Hunter and Green are solid, and Wirrpunda provides great run, but the unit is still far too leaky.

- Midfield 10
Gardiner/Cousins/Kerr Fletcher/Judd/Embley.
Balanced, efficient, star studded, our best attribute, and the biggest reason we win games. Fear them.

- Coaching staff 10
Worsfold is a motivational genius, an astute tactician and an inspiring leader who has turned a bunch of no hopers, hacks and hasbeens into one of the best teams going around. You can't argue with results, and he's got them.


- Consistency 8
Generally, we've found a decent level of consistency, managing to win at home and away. Particularly pleasing has been the low average losing margin and the tendency to always fight games out. If there's a weakness, its that we see more 'up' for the big games, whereas against weaker sides we've been prepared to go on automatic a bit, which has hurt us.



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[chrisjudd3]

For Eagles:

Depth:
8, the top 22 is facing pressure every week and its not just the week by week opposition but their own club player lists. Pressure from good form in the WAFL by players have lifted the bar on the Eagle's players to put in their all or get dropped.

Flexibility:
7, we;ve recycled some players in several roles with success. Eg. Haynes, from utility to full-forward. Jak, to centre-half forward. However, this is a different kind of flexibility, the KPP's are still unsettled.

Young Talent:
7, Eagles boast a nice list of talented players but not the same numbers as the Dockers. Judd, Sampi are the obvious ones, the others are taking their time due to premium spots in the top 22.
Seaby, Hansen, Johnson, Staker, Lynch, Gaspar and Doogs are contesting for KPP at the moment.

Senior Players:
7, Cousins, Jakovich, Banfield, McIntosh, Matera and Chick represent the top tier of the player group, with the exception of McIntosh, the rest have been influential and crucial to the side's successes this year.

Attack:
9, unconventiional but effective. No.1 Attack says it all at the moment.

Defence:
5, again unconventional but does the job most of the time. Defene is still in the top 5 best so far.

Midfield:
9, Cousins, Judd, Kerr, Chick, Fletcher - the Five guns of our side is perhaps in the top 5 of the best midfields in the AFL. Their great strength is kicking goals and getting possessions.

Coaching Staff:
7, solid - Woosha complemented by excellent assistant coach Wiley bolstered by Micale and then u have the supporting cast of Sumich, Matera and other old Eagles contributing to the development of the Eagles players.

Consistency:
7, dramatic improvement. Can win away now.

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The midfield and attack will carry the side through, the defence is still a big question mark, even though it hasn't been that bad and in fact has been serviceable.

 

[jod23]

Mead said it all...pretty much agree with him. Although our flexability could be down a point or two. We have great flexability up forward and through the midfield but we really dont have that many options down back. Carroll, McIntosh, Jako and Glass are our only tall options down back, we could blood some youngsters I suppose but their isnt much flexability in our backline.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Re: Geelong

Depth

4 - When guys like Gumby and McCarthy get regular games, your depth can't be much good.

Flexibility

5 - Very flexible in either 50m arc (Graham plays both ends, Scarlett is a good forward, Harley has played forward too), but the midfielders are very one dimensional.

Young talent

8 - A great group of under 21's. Bartel, Mackie, Spriggs, Kelly, Corey, Callan, S Johnson, H, Moloney, Rooke, Chapman, Ablett, Enright and Ling.

A fair amount of talent there.

Senior players

2 - Youngest list in the league. With White retiring, our only over 25's are Graham, Riccardi, Sanderson and Dash Milburn.

Attack

3 - Ablett, Chapman and Steve Johnson give us something to work with, but the KP forwards are pathetic.
We do have some young KPP's coming through (H, Lonergan, Blake), but they will take time.

Defence

9 - Scarlett is the best defender in the game, and by a margin. Tom Harley is as solid as you'll find, Ben Graham is a quality backman (when played there), whilst Brenton Sanderson is in great form.
Scarlett is only 24, whilst Harley is 25. Gives us a lot to work with.

Youngsters like Rooke, Wojcinski and Callan are ready to take spots on the flanks to help out our KPP's.

Midfield

6 - POTENTIAL is the key word here. Cameron Ling has become one of the leagues premier midfielders, but Corey and Enright are taking their time.
If they take the next step, you suddenly have a brilliant midfield.
Bartel, Kelly, Ablett, Chapman, Tweek Moloney and Byrnes provide a great backup to the three main guys.

If we could get a hard bodied older midfielder via trade, we'd win more games then we'd lose.

Coaching staff

1 - Poor coach with a no name group of assistants.

Consistency

6 - We still have our ups and downs, but we are the only side in the league not to take a hiding this year, which speaks volumes.

 

[Ausgard]

Re: Re: Geelong

Da Roos !

Depth

6 - Not good but not bad - its difficult to tell because we don't have too many injuries and so we see a whole bunch of youngsters busting a gut in Port Melbourne and we think how wonderful our depth is that these guys can't get a gig. Then something like an Injury to Colbert happens and McCartney retires (2 people playing sort of the same role) and all of a sudden things begin to stretch. Wouldn't want to lose another tall Back.

Flexibility

5 - Our Midfielders can perform a variety of roles but our forwards are forwards and our backs are backs. Archer can do a bit of both but our flexibility isn't great

Young talent

8 - Daniel Wells, Daniel Motlop, Drew Petrie. These are the guys who are going to be superstars.

Then there's all the players who are "only" going to be very very good.

Senior players

9 - Most teams would kill for the direction that our senior players give. When the game is there to be won, up steps Stevens Archer, Simpson and Harvey.

Again
and Again
and Again


Attack

6 - Not brilliant but getting better. Strengthend by the fact that our resting rovers (Harvey and Wells) in the forward line are so damaging. Petrie is now holding down CHF and is helped enormously by the fact the the opposition have to put their #1 defender on Rocca and he gets the number 2 tall. Will be helped in the future by our two top 10 draft picks over the last few years Hale (202cm) and McIntosh (200cm) and the constant improvement of Jones and cameo's by king will see our attack heading in the right direction



Defence

4 - We suck here. Not because we have bad players - but because we have inexperienced players. Will be getting better in the future if only for the fact that everyone will be getting lots of game time. Would be close to Zero if we didn't have archer



Midfield

8 - Basically because our leadership group is basically the midfield this is one of our stronger points - lack a bit in the ruck while burton is out but with Stevens, Simpson, Harvey in the centre we have some undeniable talent and experience



Coaching staff

6 - Inexperienced but done nothing wrong. Very happy with the way things are going

Consistency

9 - With the exception of Carlton - we pretty much beat all the lesser teams and lose to all the better teams. (Basically the model of consistency) With the exception of West Coast - if we stay in touch with the opposition - we beat them.

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[Jaymin]

I reckon Magpie Magician rates himself highly.....

and obviously can't read the topic....

I'm guessing that he enjoys giving himself a touch up while dreaming of bucks and big anthony?

 

[The Passenger]

Re: Geelong

Depth

9 - we were bagged earlier this year for notting have the depth to be a major threat, but with guys like Ashley McIntosh, Phil Read, Chad Morrison, Travis Gaspar, Troy Wilson, Quentin Lynch, Jeremy Humm, Kane Munro, Michael Collica and Callum Chambers either doing their time in the WAFL or out injured, that looks more than strong enough for me.

Flexibility

7 - we've got great ability to menavour our guys around the field, particularly into attack, but in defence we are big stuck with the same guys over and over


Young talent

9.5 - close to the best in the competition for mine, and that is why we are going so good. Cousins is still only 24-25ish, while Fletcher, Gardiner, Braun, Wooden, Wirrpunda and a couple of others are a year younger, while Cox, Embley, Hunter, Haynes, Glass, Gaspar and a couple of others are in their low 20's, and Judd, Kerr, Sampi, MacDougall haven't even hit their 20s yet (MacDougall may have turned 20 recently i think).



Senior players

6 - not the greatest list in terms of age and experience - McIntosh, Jakovich, Chick, Ph. Matera the main men, but our senior heads come from the guys who are still quite young in Cousins, Gardiner and co. who are all in the 23-25 age bracket.

Attack

9 - it was said we didn't have the attack to boast a premiership threat, but we are 200 points in front of any other side so we must be doing something right up there.

Defence

5 - A bit dodgy down here, but the class of Wirrpunda makes us capable of holding down teams.


Midfield

10 - This is the best in the competition, or very close to it, because the main midfielders are great - Cousins, Judd, Kerr, Fletcher, the reserves are good - Braun, Wooden, Chick and we have plenty of guys who can rotate through there - Wirrpunda, Sampi, Jones, Adkins and a few others to give the main guys plenty of rest so they can cause maximum damage when they are in there.



Coaching staff

9 - This is one area that has helped us on this steady improvement. Woosha is changing the game into an even faster version of the game we arleady knew.



Consistency


7.5 - getting better from last season, but still probably not quite were we would want it to be.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Richmond

Depth-3
having a list of 36 certainly dosent help!from roughly player 17 on the list its on a sliding scale.

Flexability-7
much in the same boat as any other club.95% of lists these days have players who are capable of playing in more than one position.

Young Talent-6
most of this mark is made up by coughlan,newman,rodan and krakour.due to spud,s "quick fix policy"this is something we have to improve on.

Senior Players-7
pretty good in this area with the likes of cambo,leon,richo,rogers,staff and gas.

Attack-8
on paper one of the best attacks in the comp but also the most frustrating.


Defence-9
a very solid defence led by gasper and the underated andrew kellaway.

Midfield-6
certainly improved with coughlan and johnson.probaly one short of being a very good midfield.

Coaching staff-3
2 of those points are made up of brittan,s arrival one of the best assit.coach,s around.


Consistency-10
of bringing more heratbreak to its supporters.


cheers!

 

[Z_K]

Depth - Surprisingly good actually. No injuries helps, but we have a very strong VFL side and players pushing for selection every week. An indication could be that Shannon Motlop who had some fantastic games in the AFL this year hes been forced to play VFL seconds.

9/10


Flexibility - Not so good. We have a few players who can make a swithch, but only for match ups, and never for a full game.

5/10


Young talent - Wells, Petrie, Motlop, Harris, Jones, Baird, Harding, Rawlings, Brown and Watt are all under 22 and have played signifcant parts in our season to date. Watson, Hale, Grima, Urch, Crowe, McIntosh are all 19 or under and have played some very promising VFL games this year. If I count under 25's like every one else, Harvey is a superstar, and Sinlcair will be.

9/10



Senior players - Mixed bag IMO. Simpson, Harvey, Sinclair Grant and Archer have had sensational seasons. Colbert was outstanding until injured. King is slowing up and is either fantastic or disgraceful, Stevo was great early but has gone through a horrible patch and Spider simply cannot get on the park. Sav has been poor for the most part, but serves an important purpose for us.

7/10



Attack - Needs a bit of work. The change of gameplan has effected the foward structure a great deal, and we have been unable to function well in some games. It essentialy a forward line of kids, and with a 20yo CHF it is going to have some problems with consistency.


7/10


Defence - I know we have had alot of goals kicked on us, but our backline has been sensational IMO. Watt has improved out of sight and is playing very good footy at FB. Baird has had a poor two weeks, but was outstanding at CHB earlier in the year. Rawlings has a had a great year. Colbert was great unitl his injury.


8/10



Midfield - I am hard on them because they are without doubt our most experienced bunch. They have won us games this year, especially in the past two months, but were ordinary early. Simpson, Harvey and Grant are stars. Harris has been excellent, but is finding it hard to crack it in there full time.


8/10


Coaching staff - Laidley has been fantastic. The new game plan was the right way to with this group, and although it sometimes gets iffy when the pressure is on, it has held up so far.

9/10


Consistency - Ok. A few beltings, but considering all the factors involved, we have been consistetly ok.

7/10



Overall, the makings of an excellent side, and excellent coach but a few years and players short of sustained success.

 

[Lockyer24]

Re: Poiys

Depth

8 - Williamstown is a successful side in the VFL and we have numerous players (Heath Scotland for one) who can come in and play seniors and contribute at a reasonably high standard.

Flexibility

6 - Our gameplan and team setup is fairly set in stone, we have a great Plan A and B but as for Plan C it does not exist under MM.

Young talent

8 - Our latest draft crop isn't the greatest but we have plenty of talent within the 19-23 year old range who come under a lot of undue crticism and have been unfairly marked due to the fact they have had to play much more games in the seniors to pull us out of the dark years and speed up their development rather than gain a proper apprenticeship beforehand (like J Cloke).

Senior players

9 - We are still a fairly inexperienced side across the board but the few experienced players we do have (Bucks, Burns, Clement etc) lead from the front every week and rarely let us down with incosistency or lack of effort.

Attack

8 - 2nd highest scoring team in the AFL, mainly thanks to Chris Tarrants dual ability to setup goals and kick them himself. Anthony Roccas dangerous when on, as is Didak who has been quiet but sufficient. O'Bree has turned into the crumber we never had in recent weeks. (Besides the odd Leon Davis cameo in the past)

Defence

7 - When spread apart individually they are no world beaters but when they work as a unit as seen in recent weeks they are as stingey as defenses come. Our rock last year, and hopefully our rock this year in a successful finals tilt.

Midfield

8.5 - Led by the best player in the game at the minute N.Buckley with plenty of support from two underrated stars Licuria and Burns and the hardworking Woewodin we have plenty of grunt and muscle. Holland has added some much needed pace to this group in recent weeks whilst maintaining our excellent accountability in this area. Frasers ruckwork is improving, and hes too good for most dinosaurs in around the ground play.

Coaching staff

8.5 - Excellent at developing our list however matchday tactics still need some work.

Consistency

7 - Been pretty average this year overall but starting to look up.

Overall I believe we are starting to hit our straps and play consistent football (won last 9 qtrs straight) which should put us in good stead once the business end of the season begins. This could be one of the most open Flag races in a long time and any one of the Top 4 or 5 teams are a chance. If we can finish in the Top 4 it will be a remarkable effort on the season we have had so far and we may just inflict some more pain on the interstaters. If we somehow do make the GF again this year, load up on us cos we won't blow it this time.

 

[The Scarecrow]

Collingwood

- Depth 8 Got some good players playing for Williamstown, also have a good player out in Lockyer, will make a good inclusion next season.

- Flexibility 8

- Young talent 8 Got some very good young players, Cloke, Lonie, Tarrant, Davis (been a little down, but is a good player) Swan, Shackelton, C. Cloke, Davidson. All looking good, I am not sure if Tarrant is a young talent or senior right now. So I will put him in this list.

- Senior players 8 Got some good senior players, Buckley, Woewodin, Burns, Rocca, etc. All going well.

- Attack 7 Going pretty well there the last 3 weeks.

- Defence 7.5 Preti's going alright, Cloke is starting to play well, Brodie Holland has found a new role back there.

- Midfield 8 Pretty good, Buckley, Woewodin, have been good, and some of the others are going well also.

- Coaching staff 8 Mick Halthouse has been good, Gavin Brown, and Terry Daniher also working down there.

- Consistency 7 Haven't been to consistent this year, but starting to show something at the moment.

 

[Portia]

Re: Re: Poiys

Depth

10 - Best in the league. We've had 7-9 injuries all season, Primus and Francou most notably and we're top of the ladder after 15 rounds. We can cover most positions on the field reasonably well, but concentrated injury in forward lines or defence would see us in trouble.

Flexibility

6 - Average. When Choco is forced to make changes due to injury, they generally work, but with a full squad he's very reluctant to change his pre-game strategy. Play on football is still a struggle, but better than previous years by a great degree.

Young talent

7 - OK. If you're making the senior side, you're pretty good. This is the first year in a long time that we haven't seemed to carry a non-producing young player.

Senior players

10 - Top shelf flankers and pocket players, Cornes and Tredrea firing, Nick Stevens and Peter Burgoyne have lifted since Francou did his knee, level headed tall defenders.

Attack

9 - Its a lineup you don't need to change much, which says a lot about an attack. Burgoynes, Tredrea, Chad Cornes, Pickett and Che (when fit).

Defence

8 - Great smalls in Wanganeen, Hardwick, Poulton, Montgomery and Wilson. Paxman has lost pace but still has a great footy brain, Wakelin the reverse, Bishop started well but has drifted since injury, Thurstans came out very well but is injured also. Pretty good, but we certainly have a weakness for a fast leading forward thats well-supplied (but who doesn't?). Also, the resting ruckman can be a hassle if they can mark overhead.

Midfield

7 - Not bad, but lacking in depth with Francou out. James, Schofield and Peter Burgoyne are all good second tier, but Stevens is pretty lonely as first rate at the moment. Salopek's development will be essential here. As far as negating midfielders, when fit I'd reckon we've got the best bunch at the moment - Cochrane has been a great addition, Kane Cornes good on the good players and Carr consistent.

Coaching staff

8 - Great at getting the most out of players, but match day can be a bit dubious when they decide not to change the game plan when things are a bit iffy. They definitely play against the theoretical opposition rather than the one thats out there.

Consistency

9 - We're top, but have dropped a couple.

 

[Falchoon]

Saints

Depth

3- we've got enough depth, they just aren't very good. 17 players on the list started the season with less than 30 games each.

Flexibility

8 -equally bad at both ends of the ground

Young talent

10 - the average seems to be about 9 and we've got the best young talent in terms of quality along with Freo. Geelong are right up there but don't have enough variety.

Senior players

3- Harvey is great, the rest are just going, no muscle either.

Attack

5 - Average, No guy who can kick a 5 goal bag and not enough "natural" forwards.

Defence

3 -Below average, no skill

Midfield

6 -Hayes and Harvey are top shelf and there is good depth. Ruck is a gaping hole.

Coaching staff

3 -probably the lowest amount of ancillary staff of any AFL club surrounding an unproven coach. Needs a major injection of funds and quality

Consistency

1- we can't get consistency between quarters

Hopefully that wasn't too godlike

 

[Jars458]

Re: Re: Re: Poiys

Depth

0

Flexibility

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Young talent

0

Senior players

0

Attack



0

Defence

0

Midfield

0

Coaching staff

0

Consistency

0

We are useless. All teams can afford to take us easy. We are not a threat.

 

[tully]

Re: Sydney

Originally posted by liz
OK - I'll have a go at the Swannies

Depth

5- Probably better than we thought at the start of the year with a few of the kids showing they are ready to play a role and the 20-23 age group stepping up a level across the board. Still a bit of a concern though - if we lost a couple of key players we'd be stuffed in the short-term.

Confident that longer term prognosis on depth front is better than current.

Flexibility

7- Pretty good in that there are lots of players in the team capable of playing different roles.

Game plan flexibility probably a little untested at this stage. Not clear that we have a good Plan B when the normal game plan isn't working, for whatever reason.

Young talent

6-7- A lot of it is untested at this stage but signs from reserves comp and glimpses from senior performances show promise. Depending on how you define "young", players like Goodes, C&J Bolton, O'Keefe, Davis, Schneider, Doyle, Saddington look like they'll be able to play consistently good footy for many years to come, and there's another group behind them looking fine thus far.

Senior players

8 - There may not be an out-and-out superstar (in the Voss, McLeod mould) amongst them, but the senior group of players are all playing very good football at the moment and most should be able to go round for another year or two - Williams, Ball, Maxfield, Cresswell. Cressa will be a huge loss when he leaves us though.

The middle age group is solid as well, with the likes of Barry, Hall, Kirk and O'Loughlin all playing good footy.

Attack

8- Probably our strength, particularly when we kick straight. Lots of quality players down in the forward line, and lots of variety too. Midfield are also good, consistent contributors on the scoreboard.

Defence

5- Stats say we're doing OK at the moment (in top half dozen this season and recent ones too) but on paper certainly looks to be the weakness. Really need a fullback - Saddington, Schauble, Bolton battle manfully when given the job but its not their best position, for any of them. Probably the area that needs to be fixed if we're to become a serious contender any time soon.

Midfield

6 - Decent at the moment, though certainly not stellar. Dependence on veteran players something of a concern and there doesn't look to much currently lingering in the reserves, at least in terms of tough ball-getters. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, and this is possibly the easiest area to change quickly given smaller young players tend to develop a bit quicker. Need an inspired draft choice or two in next couple of years.

Coaching staff

6- Thus far looking pretty good, but I've marked them down a little because Roos is untested over the longer term. Doesn't seem to be doing much wrong at the moment though.

Consistency

7- This is based on this season only. In recent years we've been shocking in this regard. Probably only played a couple of really ordinary games this year, taking into account the opposition. Greatest asset is consistency across the team. We don't rely on a couple of players to win matches for us.

Overall, definitely placed better than we looked to be this time last year. However, probably a few gaps to be filled before we become a top flight team.

I dont want to be abused for this but this is perhaps the most realistic and fair appraisal I've seen from any supporter of any club.

I think your judgement of the coaching is perhaps too low - you would have to rate Paul and Co at least perhaps 8 they just keep winning (for whatever reason) and have to be a real chance for the premiers this year. I can only see 2 sides capable of troubling them.