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Rewatching this, god did we get the raw end of the umpiring or what, may have been different if it was even. They got everything that was there and some that wasn't. They missed a heap of high stuff, holding the ball, incorrect disposal and incorrectly calling play on going our way. A lot of which cost us shots on goal. Pitiful and we've had a run of it the last few weeks.
 
Nostalgia said:
Sorry but I think Jack won't be in the team in 2 years time. By then harsh reality will trump sentiment. Disappointing but true!
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Surely your just taking the P 1 5 S
Jack just has 'it'

I think he has done great so far, he has had a much better start to his career than many greats of the game.

And he is only still a teenager!
 

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Ricky Mott said:
Are you serious!! A kid who is 19yrs old and is in his second year of football and you are saying he won't be in the team in 2 years. He has had a better year than C.Curnow, Weitering , Cunningham and McKay who were all in his draft year. Should he have been born 2 weeks later, this would be his first year of AFL football. He is 2 months older than SPS.
Have a look at his draft year. He is doing more than Schache (2), Francis (6), Weideman (9), McKay (10), Himmelberg (16), Doedee (17), Fiorni (20), B.Mckay (21), Lovell (22), Keays (22), Collins (26).
So impatient. No Idea!!
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I hope you are right. I was just making an intuitive judgment. My intuition tells me he lacks some vital qualities. But I hope I'm wrong. I could have expressed the initial view, as to tone and content, better.
 
Smegger said:
I think Jack WILL be in the team in two years time and longer. He even has the attributes to perhaps captain the team someday.

I'm not as concerned as some about his recent goal kicking form. Jack has a sound kicking technique which will return with confidence and conditioning. Only seems like yesterday that he debuted so give him some time to build more strength and endurance. 2 years time won't be his exit, it's when he starts to dominate due to his footy smarts and passion for the contest.
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Here's hoping you are right and I am wrong. No doubting his commitment and his intelligence
 
Gethelred said:
I know it's a tangent, but I don't see that at all. He's got the same problem now that I saw in his predraft footage; he gets the ball, then swivels the head desperately looking for someone/somewhere to go. He's got a okay football brain, but put him under pressure and he'll cough it up purely out of a lack of ideas.

I suppose it's the difference between Hannebury and Tom Mitchell; one gets the ball a lot, but is thoroughly reliant on other players to make his disposals count, where the other can get the ball and instinctively knows where to go, within a pack and in the open space. If he gets the RS, it's fine, but I'm fine with him being lauded with such a weakness in his play were our less celebrated kids - Williamson, Marchbank, SPS - build up match fitness and form whilst not spending it before they've got it, or thinking that getting the ball is the only thing to do.
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I respect Gethelred's views but, in the end, I couldn't give a rats toss bag about who wins the RS. It's a team game! The Brownlow is the individual award worth talking about.
 
Nostalgia said:
I hope you are right. I was just making an intuitive judgment. My intuition tells me he lacks some vital qualities. But I hope I'm wrong. I could have expressed the initial view, as to tone and content, better.
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What do you see he's lacking?

He's had a few down games but has largely improved on last year. His leading patterns are better and he's developed some more cohesion with the current setup.
 
La Dispute said:
What do you see he's lacking?

He's had a few down games but has largely improved on last year. His leading patterns are better and he's developed some more cohesion with the current setup.
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Well it is an intuitive or impressionistic judgment. He just seems to be a tad too slow, not as "sharp" or as skilled as others, his goal kicking is poor and if someone who can play his position better comes along he will lose it.
With so much understandable sentiment on his side and the relative youth of our list he may be getting a game that in other teams he would not get.

But as I said before I hope I am wrong. He is only 19 after all. And he is a delightful young man. He is great for the spirit of Carlton, that's for sure.
 

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I think people need to cool expectations on Jack Silvagni. He is certainly not a guarantee to be in the team in 2 years time.

He is comfortably in our bottom 6 most weeks, and although there is certainly potential in him, to lock him in as a long-term player is wildly optimistic.
 
james Dean said:
I think people need to cool expectations on Jack Silvagni. He is certainly not a guarantee to be in the team in 2 years time.

He is comfortably in our bottom 6 most weeks, and although there is certainly potential in him, to lock him in as a long-term player is wildly optimistic.
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I think People need to cool expectations on the team 66 game rebuild is over end of next year, After our 4th draft under our current management team we will see and expect better from the start of 2019..until then watch the green shoots... overtake the weeds.
 
Navara79 said:
Writing Jack Silvagni off already? He has already shown plenty of footy smarts. All he needs to do, like many 19 year olds is put on some size. The kid will be a star. Its obvious!
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Very true:thumbsu: poster has history of negative rubbish comments:thumbsdown:
 
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Navara79 said:
Writing Jack Silvagni off already? He has already shown plenty of footy smarts. All he needs to do, like many 19 year olds is put on some size. The kid will be a star. Its obvious!
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This is exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about..

First off, nobody has written him off. I just said to say he will be a star is extremely premature.

Second I agree that he has shown footy smarts, but so had Troy Menzel, look at him now.

Jack needs to do more than simply 'put on some size', firstly his height is not ideal for a KPP and he doesn't have any traits of an on-baller. His best case scenario would be a Jack Darling lite.

He still has a hell of a lot of development to go before he can be considered a 'star'.
 

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james Dean said:
This is exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about..

First off, nobody has written him off. I just said to say he will be a star is extremely premature.

Second I agree that he has shown footy smarts, but so had Troy Menzel, look at him now.

Jack needs to do more than simply 'put on some size', firstly his height is not ideal for a KPP and he doesn't have any traits of an on-baller. His best case scenario would be a Jack Darling lite.

He still has a hell of a lot of development to go before he can be considered a 'star'.
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Nostalgia wrote him off.....
Menzel was always lazy and didn't work hard enough. Please don't compare him to Silvagni. There is no reason why he couldn't end up being a Gunstan type.
 
thylacine60 said:
appreciate that, Aph - be good if we could get these before each game........
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Nostalgia said:
Can I make a left field suggestion about SOSOS? I think that, like the bulk of AFL players, he should get a girlfriend, or a boyfriend, and move out of home. Time to grow up and flee the nest!
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Nostalgia said:
Sorry but I think Jack won't be in the team in 2 years time. By then harsh reality will trump sentiment. Disappointing but true!
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I don't think Jack should be untouchable in discussions.

He hasn't been terrific this year, but to be fair the forward line as a whole, isn't quite clicking yet, for a variety of reasons.
Weitering has been down......CCurnow has had some OK games.......Wright has has some quiet weeks and Casboult is hot and cold.

It's tough that we're expecting so much from our bottom-aged guys.
Weitering, McKay and Jack won't even be twenty until just about years end.....and they're all talls still growing into their bodies.
 

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