Autopsy Rd 20 Blues never threatened in encouraging win

[chunkylover53]

D'you see the VFL?

30 touches, 1 goal 1, in a dominant win against Sandringham.

It's a level below for a reason...

We screamed for SPS to be given midfield minutes and he got them the past 5-6 weeks and unfortunately showed very little, once again.

I'm personally not too excited about a good VFL performance.

Until I see SPS play with desperation and urgency like the majority of other AFL standard midfielders, I'll be shaky on him.

 

[blue89]

Hope that last night results in JSOS spending more time in the middle of the ground. Even if it’s to give Cripps a chop out every now and then, but his work rate is so much more valuable around the ball rather than half a dozen times when the ball goes forward.

 

[BigFrizz36]

I wouldn't count Mirkov. He's at least two years from getting a game (IMO). Very, very raw.

True, but he is on our list and is a Ruckman. Long term project for sure. We are a bit stiff that our two potential part timers (Levi and Omac) have been injured long term as well.

 

[chunkylover53]

Amd consistency.
You have to have it. All our team do. We haven't got it yet. I've found SPS quite a flashy player. As in great and then disappears for awhile.
Hopefully keeps growigas a player and gives 100 per cent every game.

It's all mental for him and until he works it out he's on borrowed time, no matter what club he's at.

AFL is dead set ruthless these days and I can't remember a player in recent years who has managed success on sheer talent alone.

 

[norway blue]

Gutsy team effort. As alluded above we always seem to have numbers around the ball and we are ready and anticipating . Great win Blues. [emoji4]


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[Gethelred]

It's a level below for a reason...

We screamed for SPS to be given midfield minutes and he got them the past 5-6 weeks and unfortunately showed very little, once again.

I'm personally not too excited about a good VFL performance.

Until I see SPS play with desperation and urgency like the majority of other AFL standard midfielders, I'll be shaky on him.

I'm not asking you to be excited on the basis of the numbers alone. I'm asking you for exactly what I asked the vast majority of people last year, what I've been asking for for almost twelve months.

Patience.

He's been thrown to all ends of the ground. He's never been provided an opportunity to work on a set role; it's been inside mid, forward flank, back flank, back pocket, forward pocket.

Give him the opportunity to develop his game in a set role, and see where we go from there.

What I was getting at is not that he's performed well, although he has. The point is, he's playing midfield and he's dominating at that lower level, and if he strings it along enough weeks in a row - as Honey did, as Owies did, as Kennedy did, as Jones did, as Weitering did, as Dow did - then he might come in and do the same.

 

[Triniboy]

his best game…

 

[Hands On]

I'm shaky on sps........

SPS is shakyas well

 

[Stamos]

I don't know why people don't consider that maybe, just maybe, letting them work on the things they have needed to and develop properly is the reason these guys come into the team and are good to go.

I am liking the fact that when these players are brought into the team they are actually ready.

Was it last week's scratch match that they proved they were finally ready?

 

[CarltonBlooz]

The most pertinent question, where the **** has this been?

Completely stunned watching us go 14/2 and to make it 1000x better we had JSOS rucking all game and still managed to win comfortably. (Full credit to him though)

Full credit to Dow, watching him past few weeks wonderful.

Charlie being back excellent and LOB was very good, him and Dow come good we're well on track, thank you Luke Power

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Harry surely lock for Coleman.

 

[gab213]

Was it last week's scratch match that they proved they were finally ready?

I'm sure it's a number of things that they set as marks they need to hit along the way. Performance in reserves/scratch matters in terms of somebody had this many possessions etc IMO means little. Players are given areas they need to improve in. This is development.

I'm happy that LOB came in and played well, wouldn't have been so happy if he was brought in 8 weeks earlier if he wasn't ready to do so.


You're too stuck on who is actually playing without looking at why they are playing. Players like Gibbons, Cottrell, Newnes, Newman, are role players who fill gaps in the side as long as it takes to get their replacements ready. They don't hinder any younger players' development, they actually enable it to happen properly.

 

[Arr0w]

Lots of people saying LOB, Dow, Honey etc should have been playing all year.

Perhaps their time out of the seniors has helped them to perform as they did?

Way too much sense

 

[Arr0w]

I'm sure it's a number of things that they set as marks they need to hit along the way. Performance in reserves/scratch matters in terms of somebody had this many possessions etc IMO means little. Players are given areas they need to improve in. This is development.

I'm happy that LOB came in and played well, wouldn't have been so happy if he was brought in 8 weeks earlier if he wasn't ready to do so.


You're too stuck on who is actually playing without looking at why they are playing. Players like Gibbons, Cottrell, Newnes, Newman, are role players who fill gaps in the side as long as it takes to get their replacements ready. They don't hinder any younger players' development, they actually enable it to happen properly.

 

[Gethelred]

The most pertinent question, where the fu** has this been?

Completely stunned watching us go 14/2 and to make it 1000x better we had JSOS rucking all game and still managed to win comfortably. (Full credit to him though)

Full credit to Dow, watching him past few weeks wonderful.

Charlie being back excellent and LOB was very good, him and Dow come good we're well on track, thank you Luke Power.

Harry surely lock for Coleman.

I maintain - as I have for a little while - that when Jack is rucking we don't win the clearances as much, but when we do win we win emphatically; the ball is distributed out to a runner, or it's instantly 70m downfield. If someone's bombing from a clearance he's involved in, that kick is going further and faster than it otherwise would.

It's why I genuinely do not want us to deviate from 1 ruck and Jack. We're faster and better set defensively when Jack's used as that second ruckman, he's one of our best decision makers and when he's around the ball he makes things happen. Sure, you can get beaten by a team with a dominant ruck to dominant mid combination, but how much of that is due to the rest of the midfield just collapsing?

 

[Stamos]

I'm sure it's a number of things that they set as marks they need to hit along the way. Performance in reserves/scratch matters in terms of somebody had this many possessions etc IMO means little. Players are given areas they need to improve in. This is development.

I'm happy that LOB came in and played well, wouldn't have been so happy if he was brought in 8 weeks earlier if he wasn't ready to do so.


You're too stuck on who is actually playing without looking at why they are playing. Players like Gibbons, Cottrell, Newnes, Newman, are role players who fill gaps in the side as long as it takes to get their replacements ready. They don't hinder any younger players' development, they actually enable it to happen properly.

It's the different standard that the latter are held to compared to the former which is the issue, and is causing problems the problems.

 

[Gethelred]

NewDarkNavyBlues, disagreeing that that's all I've been asking for, that patience is the right idea, or that SPS might turn out okay?

Or is it option D: all of the above?

 

[Arr0w]

It's the different standard that the latter are held to compared to the former which is the issue, and is causing problems the problems.

That's not factual at all and what problems is it causing

 

[Arr0w]

NewDarkNavyBlues, disagreeing that that's all I've been asking for, that patience is the right idea, or that SPS might turn out okay?

Or is it option D: all of the above?

Are you surprised?

 

[gab213]

It's the different standard that the latter are held to compared to the former which is the issue, and is causing problems the problems.

I don't see where the problem lies personally. I've explained why they are in the team and that in the long term it is to the benefit of the team and the younger players themselves. Promote those players too early and you will burn half of them, I'd rather be burning the likes of Gibbons et al who aren't in our long-term plans.

IMO Both Dow and LOB's development was adversely affected by being thrown straight into the team, something that was done at the time out of need and desperation as we didn't have the role players to allow them to be eased in as we do now. I'm glad that we seem to have been able to correct that with both of those players. The next few weeks will give us a better idea.

 

[Earls Smother]

Best game for the year. St Kilda absolutely stunk though.

Can't help but feel the players had been told something pre-game.

Cripps seemed very flat in his post-game interview and the song was even flatter.

I hope Teague wins every game from here and sticks it up everyones ass.

It would be hard to think the players wouldn't have a fair idea of what the review has (or will) recommended. It really would be an indictment on them if they know Teague is gone and they produce their best effort of the year.

Hopefully even if he is gone, we still play the season out. Robert Walls resigned as Brisbane Bears coach during the 1995 season, and they stormed home to win 6 of the last 7 to make the 8. I know resigning is different to Teague's situation, but the players would have to feel they have let him down, just as Brisbane's did with Walls.

Imagine if we win the next 3, make the 8, but "review says no". Might be a Wallace/Roos situation re Sydney's job at the end of 2002. Personally think we just fall short, with the West Coast loss being key.

 

[gab213]

It would be hard to think the players wouldn't have a fair idea of what the review has (or will) recommended. It really would be an indictment on them if they know Teague is gone and they produce their best effort of the year.

Hopefully even if he is gone, we still play the season out. Robert Walls resigned as Brisbane Bears coach during the 1995 season, and they stormed home to win 6 of the last 7 to make the 8. I know resigning is different to Teague's situation, but the players would have to feel they have let him down, just as Brisbane's did with Walls.

Imagine if we win the next 3, make the 8, but "review says no". Might be a Wallace/Roos situation re Sydney's job at the end of 2002. Personally think we just fall short, with the West Coast loss being key.

The review won't decide whether Teague is sacked or not, it won't decide whether anybody needs to be sacked.

 

[Stamos]

I don't see where the problem lies personally.

The problem is the discontent that it creates (we're having an external review for a reason), and might lose some of those talented players.

 

[Blue and Blue]

The review is not looking at this season in isolation I would bet. Its looking at all of the rebuild in an effort to improve what's already been attempted. It will also look at the vagaries and extenuating and also unique circumstances of the last two seasons.

It is not black and white and nor is it any kind of witch hunt.

 

[Metalcrusher]

The review is not looking at this season in isolation I would bet. Its looking at all of the rebuild in an effort to improve what's already been attempted. It will also look at the vagaries and extenuating and also unique circumstances of the last two seasons.

It is not black and white and nor is it any kind of witch hunt.

I would certainly hope not, otherwise it would be a complete waste of time, resources and money.

 

[Earls Smother]

The review won't decide whether Teague is sacked or not, it won't decide whether anybody needs to be sacked.

Maybe not directly, but surely we didn't conduct it expecting big ticks for everyone so we could carry on as we were?