RDFL Thread 2011 (Part 2)

[OMNIPOTENT_1]

Final Scores.

Riddell 20. 18. 138. Def' Wallan 6. 3. 39.
Diggers 12. 17. 89. lost to Romsey 17. 11. 113.
Macedon by 2 points over Sunbury.
Kilmore by 25 points over Woodend.
Lancefield went down to Rockbank by about 11 goals.
Melton by 2 points over Broadford.

 

[blues12]

Re: Round 18

Geez you'd have to consider Romsey a bit stiff!!! Or perhaps Wallan and Macedon more stiff for drawing the Kanga's and Diggers with the luxury of home finals - whilst the Redbacks have to travel to the bush to play their first final.

Tend to agree whole heartedly with you there Doon'.
WHY are some clubs getting HOME Finals ???
This fixturing for the first week is baffling to say the least !
Why isnt the Sunbury v Wallan game being played at Diggers & the Diggers v Macedon game being played at Sunbury ???

And by the way, I am still hearing that Lancefield DID NOT put in for ANY Finals this year ! (anyone from Lancefield wanna clarify this ?)
If this is true, it makes a real mockery of the Leagues "so called" tendering process thats for sure !!!

I think you would look at it as Macedon being the only stiff team, as Sunbury are the higher placed team of that game, and why would they not be entitled to a home final.

As for switching those 2 games. Remember who and how football clubs run. Most committees would be made up of 8 - 12 people, all of whom would like to support their teams as much as a player or supporter.
On a home game most clubs draw on players and others to help with the running of the day. Put the entire club at another venue would make it almost impossible to run any game let alone a final.
If it were to be the case that no side can play on there home turf it would make fixturing finals an extremely challenging task. not only for the league but the tendering clubs.

 

[Mongrel]

Re: Round 18

Tend to agree whole heartedly with you there Doon'.
WHY are some clubs getting HOME Finals ???
This fixturing for the first week is baffling to say the least !
Why isnt the Sunbury v Wallan game being played at Diggers & the Diggers v Macedon game being played at Sunbury ???

And by the way, I am still hearing that Lancefield DID NOT put in for ANY Finals this year ! (anyone from Lancefield wanna clarify this ?)
If this is true, it makes a real mockery of the Leagues "so called" tendering process thats for sure !!!

Come on omni this is no different to what romsey had to face last season. Romsey finished 6th and had to play 3rd placed Sunbury on their home turf. I didnt hear one word of complaint from romsey so im not sure why it should affect a die hard riddell man. When a club has had twice the amount of wins in the home and away season as their opponent, why should they be sent to play at diggers??????

I think all of us would be far better off discussing why almost every club has refused to host a final this year.

Ventured out to the mighty macedon cricket ground tday and the venue was as good as it gets. now tell me why such a venue is not available for a finals game?

Did Riddell volunteer their ground for a final??

Regardless of what the reasons are, the fact remains that MOST of the rdfl grounds were not made available for finals. IMO Romsey should have hosted the first final against Riddell because they at least offered their ground up. if it turns out that the rdfl fees etc. for hosting a final are the reason that most clubs didnt make their grounds readily available, then i will retract my previous statement!!

 

[onlyintwos]

Re: Round 18

i spoke to someone at macedon yesterday the ground looked magnificent and asked why they wernt hosting a final the answer i got...the cost of meeting league requirements around security fencing plus the charge from the league for hosting put the cost at around $2500 thats before you purchase a hamburger to sell..the risk of poor crowd figures was deemed to much of a risk

 

[Nothing but Facts]

Re: Round 18

i spoke to someone at macedon yesterday the ground looked magnificent and asked why they wernt hosting a final the answer i got...the cost of meeting league requirements around security fencing plus the charge from the league for hosting put the cost at around $2500 thats before you purchase a hamburger to sell..the risk of poor crowd figures was deemed to much of a risk

yeah i asked the same question and got similar answer. tony clarke is a picture at the monment and has awesome atmosphere. finals should be played here and i mean big finals but i dont blame macedon commitee when you consider the costs and that there is another game on same day so crowd wont be huge not to mention the amount of work that goes into the day. why do clubs have to pay for the right to hold a final when they dont even see any of the gate? our league continues to make terrible decisions so its time for a massive shake up. get rid of all the old farts on board and pay to get a decent administrator the ones we have arent worth 2 bob. even the final 6 system is a joke. a final 5 easy most fair system and also gets rid of one extra final, we do only have 12 teams after all. sunbury have lucked out finishing 3rd and getting home final against a side 10 goals weaker than other 5. they are pretty much guaranteed a 2nd semi while one of top 2 teams will be playing for there lives in 1st semi against either diggers or cats - wrong, wrong, wrong...

 

[OMNIPOTENT_1]

Re: Round 18

I think you would look at it as Macedon being the only stiff team, as Sunbury are the higher placed team of that game, and why would they not be entitled to a home final.

As for switching those 2 games. Remember who and how football clubs run. Most committees would be made up of 8 - 12 people, all of whom would like to support their teams as much as a player or supporter.
On a home game most clubs draw on players and others to help with the running of the day. Put the entire club at another venue would make it almost impossible to run any game let alone a final.
If it were to be the case that no side can play on there home turf it would make fixturing finals an extremely challenging task. not only for the league but the tendering clubs.

Yeah good point. Look I'm not having a crack at Sunbury or Diggers, they dont do the fixturing, the League does ! I just thought we had a convention in place where finals were played (where possible) at neutral venues.

Come on omni this is no different to what romsey had to face last season. Romsey finished 6th and had to play 3rd placed Sunbury on their home turf. I didnt hear one word of complaint from romsey so im not sure why it should affect a die hard riddell man. When a club has had twice the amount of wins in the home and away season as their opponent, why should they be sent to play at diggers??????
Do you think its NOT an advantage for you pal to be playing on your home track ???
I have NEVER ever heard it said in our league, that if you finish higher on the ladder you then qualify for a home final ???
& It doesnt affect me champ, I just think the league are sitting on there hands with this issue hoping it will all just go away !

I think all of us would be far better off discussing why almost every club has refused to host a final this year.

Ventured out to the mighty macedon cricket ground tday and the venue was as good as it gets. now tell me why such a venue is not available for a finals game?

Did Riddell volunteer their ground for a final??
No, I am lead to believe they did not.
& neither did Diggers !!! (but thats a whole OTHER story !!!)

Regardless of what the reasons are, the fact remains that MOST of the rdfl grounds were not made available for finals. IMO Romsey should have hosted the first final against Riddell because they at least offered their ground up. if it turns out that the rdfl fees etc. for hosting a final are the reason that most clubs didnt make their grounds readily available, then i will retract my previous statement!!

It is obvious why clubs are NOT putting their hands up for finals. The fees the league impose on clubs for hosting them are making the process a huge financial gamble for the clubs. A gamble the clubs are no longer willing to take, especially at the back end of the season.
There are ONLY two sure things with regard to revenue from an RDFL final. The GATE TAKINGS & the FEE the league charge to host. Guaranteed, NO risk, easy money. With very little effort involved.
WHY does the League get the Gate ??? Why isnt it distributed back to all the clubs ???
They ALL pay their fees at the start of the season. Why does the League need & take this money as well ???
THE CLUBS are the ones that are doing ALL the work..... AND, taking all the RISK !!!
How many hamburgers & drinks would they need to sell before they even covered the fee to host one of these Finals ???
I am guessing SHIT LOADS !
And thats why they are ALL shying away from the " HONOUR " !

 

[oldie]

Re: Round 18

Great effort by the kilmore player who pulled the boots on for the last two games in the reserves at the ripe age of 56

 

[blues12]

Re: Round 18

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Yeah good point. Look I'm not having a crack at Sunbury or Diggers, they dont do the fixturing, the League does ! I just thought we had a convention in place where finals were played (where possible) at neutral venues.

Not necessarily, In the past it was the clubs that did not want to host and play on the same day for fear of help being stretched to a minimum. Over the last few years some clubs have realised that they can now manage to host and play at the same venue. Lancefield have managed this very well over the past years to host and play on Grand Final day.

The league and clubs have grown over the years therefore giving the clubs the confidence that they will have the numbers to draw on and to host these days and give their teams a possible slight home ground advantage.

I know that i have never heard, neutral venue and finals put together.

 

[OMNIPOTENT_1]

Re: Round 18

Not necessarily, In the past it was the clubs that did not want to host and play on the same day for fear of help being stretched to a minimum. Over the last few years some clubs have realised that they can now manage to host and play at the same venue. Lancefield have managed this very well over the past years to host and play on Grand Final day.

The league and clubs have grown over the years therefore giving the clubs the confidence that they will have the numbers to draw on and to host these days and give their teams a possible slight home ground advantage.

I know that i have never heard, neutral venue and finals put together.

Oh ok I stand corrected then. Perhaps its just been coincidental then for the reasons you've pointed out here.
But the fact still remains that clubs are opting NOT to host our finals & we are the poorer for not being able to showcase our RDFL brand at the BEST venues !!!......... Why ??? And whats being done to address this issue ???

 

[norman18]

Re: Round 18

Come on omni this is no different to what romsey had to face last season. Romsey finished 6th and had to play 3rd placed Sunbury on their home turf. I didnt hear one word of complaint from romsey so im not sure why it should affect a die hard riddell man. When a club has had twice the amount of wins in the home and away season as their opponent, why should they be sent to play at diggers??????

I think all of us would be far better off discussing why almost every club has refused to host a final this year.

Ventured out to the mighty macedon cricket ground tday and the venue was as good as it gets. now tell me why such a venue is not available for a finals game?

Did Riddell volunteer their ground for a final??

Regardless of what the reasons are, the fact remains that MOST of the rdfl grounds were not made available for finals. IMO Romsey should have hosted the first final against Riddell because they at least offered their ground up. if it turns out that the rdfl fees etc. for hosting a final are the reason that most clubs didnt make their grounds readily available, then i will retract my previous statement!!

Hey Mongrel, in relation to the Macedon footy oval oval not being used for finals, 2 reasons come to mind.

1. As mentioned earlier, league fees.
2. Most grounds were absolute swamps a month ago when offers went out. At Romsey, we had 6 junior games on a Sunday 5 weeks ago. By the end of the day, you could not see a blade of grass through the mud. 2 weeks ago we had an inch of rain and you not see the far boundary line due to the amount of water.
Today, we hosted 4 junior Grand finals, and by the end of the week, if it does not rain, the sprinklers may be turned on.

By the way, Romsey under 16's won the G/F against Woodend. First time Romsey have ever won the 16's G/F. Well done to all players and teams who competed in the finals today at all venues.

Jake Lever BOG medal, Nathan Blair outstanding and a huge future. Ricky Wood, Angus Storey and Benny Thorogood were great.

Great job by Big Al Connalinko for his organising of the days events at Romsey Park

 

[matt_nicholls]

The finals venues should be announced much, much earlier.

One of the key reasons why Macedon and Lancefield put on such good prelim and grand finals is because they had more notice than other clubs hosting them. Yes, they do have two great venues, but having an extra couple of weeks to rally volunteers and workers is a big advantage.

I don't see why the finals venues are not announced at the end of June. Forget home finals and neutral venues. Just play the bloody footy at the best grounds. I'm of the understanding that clubs are definitely sceptical about hosting them for the fees they have to pay the RDFL. That is a big issue. The board needs to get its shit together quickly before they find themselves with no grounds to play finals at.

Finals are a showcase of the league and should be played at the best venues. Grand final should almost always be played at Lancefield, although Romsey and Macedon could easily host it. Romsey's new facilities should be built soon, which will be a big boon for the Redbacks.

Kilmore isn't too bad for finals, despite the gradient in the ground, while Riddell has always been able to do a good job with finals. Even Sunbury Kangaroos could host a minor final.

Apart from that, there's no other suitable venue. That's not the clubs' fault, though. Work out a way to equalise the funds, whether that's charging non finals-hosting clubs slightly less affiliation fees or whatever, but just make sure the best footy is played at the best grounds.

 

[norman18]

Pickles, due to the very inclimate weather we have, it's very hard to announce early venues, as i have just mentioned above with Romseys ground. Most clubs have had enough experience of hosting, to know how to run them on short notice - although more time would be good.

As most would now know, Romseys lights are soon to be upgraded.

Any opinions on a night final, maybe not a g/f, if the lights are good enough. We all train under lights.

 

[matt_nicholls]

Pickles, due to the very inclimate weather we have, it's very hard to announce early venues, as i have just mentioned above with Romseys ground. Most clubs have had enough experience of hosting, to know how to run them on short notice - although more time would be good.

As most would now know, Romseys lights are soon to be upgraded.

Any opinions on a night final, maybe not a g/f, if the lights are good enough. We all train under lights.

If Romsey or Lancefield's ground are boggy on the eve of September, there would be no other venues short of a quagmire. Both grounds drain as good as any other in the RDFL.

Not a fan of night local footy. The BFL do it, and while it gets a few extra in the gate for minor finals, the footy spectacle suffers. There's nothing better than watching the best teams go at it on a sunny day in spring with thousands watching on.

If it rains during the day a lot of the fans will still go. If it rains at night, they'll stay at home.

 

[It Is Me]

finals funds

There are ONLY two sure things with regard to revenue from an RDFL final. The GATE TAKINGS & the FEE the league charge to host. Guaranteed, NO risk, easy money. With very little effort involved.
WHY does the League get the Gate ??? Why isnt it distributed back to all the clubs ???
They ALL pay their fees at the start of the season. Why does the League need & take this money as well ???


Omni - you have been around long enough to know that the finals gate takings is what pays for the league administration, over the summer months especially. This pays wages (and other associated taxes), office rental etc etc which are not totally covered by the affiliation fees. If you want to take all (or a cut) of the finals entry fees, the affiliation fees will go up accordingly. You just can't have it both ways.

Don't get me wrong, I too agree that the fees for hosting finals are far too high and that the decisions regarding finals ground should have been made and published long ago.

I guess we just all have to wait and see.

 

[Doona2]

Couldn't believe my ears yesty at the junior finals at Kilmore when I overheard a Sunbury parent/supporter talking negatively about Peddo's interview on SEN Thursday night.

To assume all he did was talk about himself was just ridiculous, as a neutral (and at times anti) RDFL follower I thought he provided the perfect promotion for this entire league. To talk about the relationship's between club's, the eveness in terms of the finals race was great.

Dunno if it's this old "tall poppy" thing extending even further, but I think people have to stop being so narrow minded. If only the league was as open minded in it's approach

 

[Doona2]

Re: finals funds

Omni - you have been around long enough to know that the finals gate takings is what pays for the league administration, over the summer months especially. This pays wages (and other associated taxes), office rental etc etc which are not totally covered by the affiliation fees. If you want to take all (or a cut) of the finals entry fees, the affiliation fees will go up accordingly. You just can't have it both ways.

Don't get me wrong, I too agree that the fees for hosting finals are far too high and that the decisions regarding finals ground should have been made and published long ago.

I guess we just all have to wait and see.

Don't think the argument surrounds the league taking the gate thru the finals, it's more the fact clubs are asked to further "pay" for the right to host them. When you have 12 club's paying around $22-23k a year to be affiliated that's a lot of coin (upward of $260k) not to mention all the fee's junior club's must pay too so we'd be pretty well off behind the scenes once sponsorship get's added to the equation.

Let's remember the club's appoint the board, who in turn appoint the paid administrators - surely it's time the club's who actually "pay" the wages get more of a say!!!

love the "dark orchid" colour by the way

 

[bromanbomber]

Re: Round 18

Great effort by the kilmore player who pulled the boots on for the last two games in the reserves at the ripe age of 56

unfortunately had prior committments and couldn't get back for the reunion, however would be interested to hear the old fella that pulled on the boots??

 

[It Is Me]

Re: finals funds

Don't think the argument surrounds the league taking the gate thru the finals, it's more the fact clubs are asked to further "pay" for the right to host them. When you have 12 club's paying around $22-23k a year to be affiliated that's a lot of coin (upward of $260k) not to mention all the fee's junior club's must pay too so we'd be pretty well off behind the scenes once sponsorship get's added to the equation.

Let's remember the club's appoint the board, who in turn appoint the paid administrators - surely it's time the club's who actually "pay" the wages get more of a say!!!

love the "dark orchid" colour by the way

I understand what you are saying, but also remember that a large amount of that $22-23k is umpires fees as well. And we are all well aware of the financial issues prior to JB taking over as GM which also impact hugely.

 

[onlyintwos]

Re: finals funds

finals...sat..romsey v riddell at broadford....sunday..kangaroos v wallan at kangaroos.....macedon v diggers at ROMSEY WK2-4....second semi at KILMORE...first semi...tba...prelim at ROMSEY....GF at LANCEFIELD

 

[ChrisThaLedg]

Hey Guys!!

We'll be broadcasting right throughout the finals series on 100.7 Highlands FM.

Catch all the action of the Romsey v Riddell game at Broadford and Macedon v Diggers Rest at Romsey from 2pm. Tune in to 88.1 FM at the ground or 100.7FM throughout the Macedon Ranges- Trentham-Sunbury areas.

We're pumped to be covering all the action and even more pumped with the support.. come over and say g'day at the tent where ever we are. We're ecstatic for the support that the Broadford and Romsey lads have shown us as we gear up for the big games!!

 

[gboi]

Is there a media ban on blokes from romsey? IMS very quiet again

 

[onlyintwos]

Is there a media ban on blokes from romsey? IMS very quiet again

given that its first week of finals this thread is extremely quiet from all teams ..where is all tha trash talk?

 

[Itsmyshow]

Sorry to Disappoint you all. On leave at the moment so been spending quality time with the family for the first time in 6 months. Ill be on when I can. Great to see that Without me logging on the best work is " is there a media ban?" no one else can contribute anything of worth? Clearly not...

 

[Sprechen]

Sorry to Disappoint you all. On leave at the moment so been spending quality time with the family for the first time in 6 months. Ill be on when I can. Great to see that Without me logging on the best work is " is there a media ban?" no one else can contribute anything of worth? Clearly not...

Shame on you IMS for having a life. Good luck to all teams this weekend, especially the WHFNC under 18's on sunday @ Romsey, Go Hawks

 

[Doona2]

..where is all tha trash talk?

From all reports there's plenty of that going on between Wallan and Kilmore at the minute after the untimely tribunal hearing this week. Just another case of how well the RDFL is travelling, 6-7 weeks after the event a hearing takes place.......not good enough

Can anyone confirm if there's been enough successful "tenders" to host the remaining finals? Im hearing maybe not. On top of paying for the right, club's also have to foot the bill to give all the cronies a feed at half time.

There are comps around that actually "lease" venue's from it's club's come finals, with the money paid to the club's to host to also help cover of the half time "Refreshments". At the end of the year, the club's also get a dividend from the league's revenue made throughout those 4 weeks.