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BOND 007 said:
If its simply an offer to 'come home' then you are right - the cost will be high & I don't believe WC would pay the price.

However, if Carlton start offering contracted players as a means of securing a certain draft pick, and those players don't want to shift or feel snubbed that their name was offered, then the rules change considerably. When Ken Judge took over as WC coach, he sought draft picks at the end of the 2000 season. An under contract Mitchell White was offered as bait and despite WC trying to reverse the offer to trade him when he arced up, he took it badly & told Judge and WC that he wouldn't play under Judge under any circumstances. It left WC with no option but to trade him. they did well out of it, but I will never forget White's face & anger when I spoke with him about it.
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That explains a few things, always thought that trade was a bit odd.
 
BOND 007 said:
Don't necessarily agree with the 1st line I bolded. Malthouse is a good strategic coach but like all coaches he has a vision which involves certain players playing a certain way or in certain positions. If a player doesn't "buy into" Malthouse's vision, or Malthouse sees them as not having the ability (physically or mentally) to play a certain role, then they quickly get moved from Malthouse's inner sanctum & its darn hard to get back in. Yarran may be finding this right now.

As to the 2nd part bolded - its very easy to say "you are professional footballers you play how the coach asks". However the reality is they are kids, and if there is a personality clash or a private issue, then its very hard to enjoy your football and if you're not enjoying it, you wont play well.
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Can say I see agree with you at all.

So you are saying that a 3 time premiership coach that has also contested 7 grand finals (8 if you include the replay) and numerous finals campaigns isn't known as someone that can get the best out if his players? Right, so he has just been in the right place at the right time?

Understand what you are saying about the 2nd part but again I cant see how it is the case presently. Yarran has played every time he has been available bar that sub issue. Mick, over the journey, has been ruthless many times before. If there were vision or personal issues I'm guessing Yarran would've spent more time in the 2s.
 

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MaxHunt said:
Can say I see agree with you at all.

So you are saying that a 3 time premiership coach that has also contested 7 grand finals (8 if you include the replay) and numerous finals campaigns isn't known as someone that can get the best out if his players? Right, so he has just been in the right place at the right time?

Understand what you are saying about the 2nd part but again I cant see how it is the case presently. Yarran has played every time he has been available bar that sub issue. Mick, over the journey, has been ruthless many times before. If there were vision or personal issues I'm guessing Yarran would've spent more time in the 2s.
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Go back & read what I wrote again.

I said that Malthouse has a game plan that he works to & he makes decisions as to whether player A is capable or not of adhering to that game plan. Those that he doesn't believe are capable - are discarded ask Duigan & Laidlaw
Then he trials those left & those deemed ok initially but are ultimately proven incapable are discarded. You buy in & are capable or you leave. It's no different to any coach

It's got nothing to do with being in the right place at the right time.

Malthouse right now is in trial mode. He knows his squad isn't capable so he's determining who will be left when he's finished. Of course Yarran is being played - his skill set is as good as anybody's at Carlton
 
BOND 007 said:
Go back & read what I wrote again.

I said that Malthouse has a game plan that he works to & he makes decisions as to whether player A is capable or not of adhering to that game plan. Those that he doesn't believe are capable - are discarded ask Duigan & Laidlaw
Then he trials those left & those deemed ok initially but are ultimately proven incapable are discarded. You buy in & are capable or you leave. It's no different to any coach

It's got nothing to do with being in the right place at the right time.

Malthouse right now is in trial mode. He knows his squad isn't capable so he's determining who will be left when he's finished. Of course Yarran is being played - his skill set is as good as anybody's at Carlton
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Maybe you should read what I wrote again
 
MR said:
From a Richmond supporter's perspective, Conca is absolute gold.

The vast majority of us rate him in the top two/three best of his draft year. We wouldn't bother with players like Brown or picks lower than first round. For a straight swap, we'd probably expect the quality of a Gaff/Darling because that's the same value we put on Conca.

That said, word is that he's really happy in Melbourne so I doubt this will go any further.
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Fair points, I don't see much point in a gaff to conca trade, similar type of players, and darling is a no deal. But either way I highly doubt you guys will let him leave
 
Spartan said:
100% agree, I'd take JOM and Bennell any day over Yarran. They are already more complete mids than Yarran.

However the afore mentioned two would take a shit ton more to get than Yarran. He looks out of favour at CFC and could want to come back home. He would still address the lack of pace in general our best 22 have.

Morton talked about how much more professional we were in our training (be it he was coming from the basket case that was/is MFC) maybe we can address his attitude and build up his tank (granted hes been in the system now for a few years).

I also don't think we need to play him as a pure mid, more a HFF that has rotations through the middle.

On a side note Brennan and McGinnity probably aren't/shouldn't be in our best 22 when we have a full list imo and Smith doesn't seem to be able to take the next step.
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Agree, as I posted earlier Yarran getting a clean tap from Naitanui late in quarters when others are tiring would be very effective.

I do think that Yarran and Malthouse have issues and as Bond pointed out if a player doesn't fit into Malthouses game plan / style they don't hang around.

Yarran is contracted for next year so the Blues have leverage to trade. Yarran was pick 6 but I would not want to trade our first rounder this year as some very good mids will be available around pick 9 or 10 especially with the Crows not having a pick, Norths committed to McDonald, Tom Boyd going early and clubs before us needing KP tall's rather than mids.

This first uncompromised draft has a lot of factors that point to us having a shot at one of the top 5 mids available.:thumbsu:

No issue with using a 2nd round pick + a player but who?

The fact we are chasing Conca makes chasing Yarran must more difficult this year unless a player such as Gaff is involved.

Gaff to Richmond for Conca.

M Brown for Yarran to release Henderson forward for the Blues.

Henderson is one of the Blues best players this year and was drafted as a forward.

Use our first rounder on a gun mid and later picks on KP a backmen who tend to get rated behind mids, KP forwards and rucks and go 2nd round.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Gaff to Richmond for Conca.

M Brown for Yarran to release Henderson forward for the Blues.

Henderson is one of the Blues best players this year and was drafted as a forward.

Use our first rounder on a gun mid and later picks on KP a backmen who tend to get rated behind mids, KP forwards and rucks and go 2nd round.
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Haven't seen enough of Conca to say Gaff for Conca is good for us.

I'd do Brown for Yarran if Brown says he wants to return to Vic at the end of the year in a heart beat. We still have the issue of a (ready made) Glass replacement but if he wants to leave Yarran would be a win imo.
 
Is it just a coincidence that Conca's 2 worst games of the year have come after our offer has become public?

It's also interesting to see he spent some time in defence against the Suns. I don't think that's a common role for him.

Best case scenario for us is Richmond trying to frighten us away from our alleged big offer but instead blowing Conca's trade value.
 
Jimmy_the_Gent said:
Is it just a coincidence that Conca's 2 worst games of the year have come after our offer has become public?

It's also interesting to see he spent some time in defence against the Suns. I don't think that's a common role for him.

Best case scenario for us is Richmond trying to frighten us away from our alleged big offer but instead blowing Conca's trade value.
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Yes and it's a rumour.

Conca has played a lot of football off the half back line, both as a junior and at Richmond. It's got nothing to do with us looking around at WA kids.
 
Spartan said:
Haven't seen enough of Conca to say Gaff for Conca is good for us.

I'd do Brown for Yarran if Brown says he wants to return to Vic at the end of the year in a heart beat. We still have the issue of a (ready made) Glass replacement but if he wants to leave Yarran would be a win imo.
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Looks like Malthouse read my post.:D

"At the other end, Carlton key forwards Lachie Henderson and Sam Rowe combined for seven goals, feasting against a defence that battled hard, but lacked for height and strength."

Blayne Wilson looks capable of stepping into that third tall role. We draft another KP tall, trade or look to free agency. I think Essendon will lose one as they have an abundance of talls, whether they will be free to play is another matter.
 

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The Falcon Strike said:
I'm not sure Brown offers much value on the trade table with the Saints almost certain to finish bottom 4.

They'll be able to offer a front-loaded 2 year deal and snaffle him in the PSD
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Saints would not want to risk him going to the PSD as GWS will be interested in Brown.
 

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Gaff for Conca makes sence but as per usuall all supporters think their player is worth more than the other. I hope it doesn't happen and we both keep our own players
 
Gaff > Conca right now as value stands and probably Gaff will be the better player.

Gaff is the only player I'm worried about leaving I dont think he will be a 1 club player.
 
captain cotch 9 said:
Gaff for Conca makes sence but as per usuall all supporters think their player is worth more than the other. I hope it doesn't happen and we both keep our own players
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and then if the trade was done, two years done the track both sets of supporters would claim their new player was better. standard footy mentality.

to be honest, i think both players are pretty much roughly even in all aspects in terms of current and expected output. different styles of play though.
 
Hey guys is this rumour still. I remember it from a few weeks ago. Conca is looking really good as a tough, goal scoring midfielder.
 
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