Reggie Theus fired!!!!

[peternorth]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...?slug=ys-theusfired121608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Who's next?

PJ
Jordan
Mitchell
Wittman
Cheeks
6th man: Theus

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

This is bordering on stupidity.

The last four firings have only taken place because the clubs have seen others fire coaches so early in the season and realise there will be less heat on them. Imagine this happened in the AFL. 6 coaches done and dusted by the equivalent of Round 7.

 

[2nd2None]

Terry Porter

.....I joke, I joke.

 

[mdc]

This is bordering on stupidity.

The last four firings have only taken place because the clubs have seen others fire coaches so early in the season and realise there will be less heat on them. Imagine this happened in the AFL. 6 coaches done and dusted by the equivalent of Round 7.

The last 4 have all been atrocious coaches who are heading under-achieving teams (with the possible exception of SAC).

All four moves get a from me.

Now if they just need to get rid of Don Nelson (who's lost it) and Terry Porter (who never had it).

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

The last 4 have all been atrocious coaches who are heading under-achieving teams (with the possible exception of SAC).

All four moves get a from me.

Now if they just need to get rid of Don Nelson (who's lost it) and Terry Porter (who never had it).

Debatable about the Wolves as that was the stupidest move of them all. 3 coaches in less than a season and the moron who makes all of this happen is now the coach.

 

[mdc]

Debatable about the Wolves as that was the stupidest move of them all. 3 coaches in less than a season and the moron who makes all of this happen is now the coach.

Whittman has a career record of like 12-149293. He's a dud.

And on the plus side, if McHale fails miserably, at least he'll finally be out of that organisation.

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

Whittman has a career record of like 12-149293. He's a dud.

And on the plus side, if McHale fails miserably, at least he'll finally be out of that organisation.

Still deserves longer than 20 odd games given the Wolves are heading nowhere bar the lottery.

Ditto Theus.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Unless he lost the players, a coach couldnt do much more with that, especially considering Martin has missed most of the year so far

 

[Hodges]

Apparently Theus has alienated his players, the GM and the owners. So he kinda duck his own grave there...

 

[Stiffy_18]

This is bordering on stupidity.

The last four firings have only taken place because the clubs have seen others fire coaches so early in the season and realise there will be less heat on them. Imagine this happened in the AFL. 6 coaches done and dusted by the equivalent of Round 7.

You've got to be ****ing kidding me! I can't speak for others but I can for Theus, he has absolutly lost the plot this year. Sure, I understand that the team is not great but he has persisted with with his ******ed substitution patterns, persisted with his "defensive schemes" and persisted with his complicated offence that has players second guessing every move.

The ownership gave him 2 clear points charters for the rest of the season, play the kids more and defend the 3 point line better. He couldn't or wouldn't do any of them

Despite missing Martin and Garcia for large chunks, this team was just awful. I can handle losing when the players and the coaches are giving it their all but not being good enough. When you get rolled by 20+ points regularly by average teams and playing your veterans more than you should be, then there is a problem.

It needed to happen, as Petrie said, with the 6-18 record under Theus this year, we were on pace to win less than 20 games. Thats expansion team stuff and we ARE better than that.

I just wish we can get a coach that actually sticks around for a number of years and gives us some stability. Someone that is a great teacher, that will develop the kids and still be good enough to win when this team eventually develops into a legitimate play off team.

 

[krisholio14]

Debatable about the Wolves as that was the stupidest move of them all. 3 coaches in less than a season and the moron who makes all of this happen is now the coach.

Wittman was a bloody awful coach though. Shit I could coach better than him, and I reckon I'd be about the 73rd best coach that posts on these boards.

Seriously, how some of these blokes coach NBA teams is beyond me. Most of them seem to have absolutely no grasp of the basic fundamentals of basketball.

I also knew Reggie Theus would let his massive ego get the better of him eventually. He did it right throughout his playing career, and it cost him several times there, and it looks like its cost him again now.

Which is stupid really, because he showed last year he can actually coach if his head stays at a manageable size.

 

[Borgsta]

Losing by 34 at the moment to Portland.

 

[celtic_pride]

FWIW Reggie Theus was far from the only problem down in Sac-Town.

Right now IMHO they are a pretty poorly run organisation, probably need a whole new cleanout, starting at the top with the GM etc.

 

[Stiffy_18]

FWIW Reggie Theus was far from the only problem down in Sac-Town.

Right now IMHO they are a pretty poorly run organisation, probably need a whole new cleanout, starting at the top with the GM etc.

I think the only good thing for the Sacramento at the moments (other than some promising youngsters) IS their GM. He is still one of the best in the business. He has built genuine contenders from scratch twice, was a GM of the year twice and is still one of the best talent evaluator in the game.

The problem has been that there has been too much input from the owners. Petrie wanted Adelman to stay, Maloofs wanted him gone. Petrie didn't want Musselman, Maloofs fell in love with his power point skills. Petrie wanted Shaw as a coach after Stan bolted for Orlando, Maloofs fell in love with a charming, smooth talking Theus who happened to be from their hood.

Petrie wasn't in favour of getting Artest but Maloofs pushed for it.

The problem has been that the owners are having way too much input. They are known as irrational spoilt brats that live in La La land and lack patience.

What Maloofs need to do is trust Petrie and let him make all the major basketball related decisions and not let their feelings interfere with rational basketball decisions. They wanted Adelman gone because he was a private person and apparently didn't coach defence. Since Adelman has been sacked, they have gone for attention seeking coaches that couldn't coach a lick of D while Adelman's team is one of the best defensive teams in the league ATM and he has proven time and time again that he is a great coach.

So what the Kings need is for the owners to take a back seat, put their trust in one of the best GMs in the business who has done this before and let him do his job. Thats what he is getting paid to do and he is more than capable of doing again. Give him the green light to do what he wants and I guarantee you Sacramento will be back as a genuine contender.

 

[mdc]

I'm also a big Petrie fan (and Adelman even more so).

The Udrih signing was definitely questionable, but his efforts in the draft of late are superb.

Kevin Martin a magnificent find.
Francisco Garcia is value @ where he was drafted.
Hawes had "white stiff" written all over him, yet Petrie pulled the trigger, and has seen great early returns.
Jason Thompson was supposedly a "reach", but he's outplaying just about every player picked after him.

They have every chance of getting a Top 3 pick, which will put them in position to snag Rubio. All hypothetical, I know, but a line-up of;

Rubio
Martin
Salmons
Thompson
Hawes
______
Garcia
Udrih
[whoever they get for Brad Miller]

...will be very decent once they get some development in.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I'm also a big Petrie fan (and Adelman even more so).

The Udrih signing was definitely questionable, but his efforts in the draft of late are superb.

Kevin Martin a magnificent find.
Francisco Garcia is value @ where he was drafted.
Hawes had "white stiff" written all over him, yet Petrie pulled the trigger, and has seen great early returns.
Jason Thompson was supposedly a "reach", but he's outplaying just about every player picked after him.

They have every chance of getting a Top 3 pick, which will put them in position to snag Rubio. All hypothetical, I know, but a line-up of;

Rubio
Martin
Salmons
Thompson
Hawes
______
Garcia
Udrih
[whoever they get for Brad Miller]

...will be very decent once they get some development in.

Petrie is a gun talent spotter. Aside from Douby pick, he has been great. Don't forget that he often gets ridiculed for "reaching" on draft day and going for unpopular choices.

He was nearly run out of town when he picked Peja over John Wallace. When he had a 1st round pick, Petrie was able to select a fine player. Peja, Hedo, Wallace, Martin, Garcia, Hawes, Thompson, not a bad bunch of picks there.

The Beno signing while questionable can be understandable. We were in desperate need of a PG and he was the best available realistic option. All we did was just match what Clipers promised him.

Anyway, its a shit year to be in the top 3 pick calculations. Its a shithouse draft. I hope GP can uncover another gem to add to an already solid bunch of youngsters.

He has 2 first round picks to work with this year. Oh, and Greene is showing some real potential as a shooter and GP sees him as a starting SF down the track.

 

[sblack]

The draft is very top heavy this year. If you get a top 5 pick, your going to get a very good player....Griffin, Harden, Curry, Mullens, Thabeet. All solid players

 

[mdc]

The draft is very top heavy this year. If you get a top 5 pick, your going to get a very good player....Griffin, Harden, Curry, Mullens, Thabeet. All solid players

Mark my words...if Curry goes top 5, this will be the worst draft since the K-Mart/Mike Miller draft (2001?).

Atm, it's Griffen, Rubio then daylight.

edit: Just saw DX have dropped Rubio altogether, meaning he's probably not coming out. Not good.

 

[sblack]

Mark my words...if Curry goes top 5, this will be the worst draft since the K-Mart/Mike Miller draft (2001?).

Atm, it's Griffen, Rubio then daylight.

edit: Just saw DX have dropped Rubio altogether, meaning he's probably not coming out. Not good.

It has always been Griffin and Rubio (before he deferred) and then daylight...but there are still solid players....most likely not franchise type players...but 10 year solid players

 

[Stiffy_18]

It has always been Griffin and Rubio (before he deferred) and then daylight...but there are still solid players....most likely not franchise type players...but 10 year solid players

And thats my point all along. You will get some good solid players but none of them are likely to be franchise type players that you build around. Thats a problem when you are finally in calculations for a top 3 pick. We couldn't have picked worst time to suck

Sacramento is a small market team and they will never attract an A grade franchise player through free agency no matter how much money they have to throw around. The small market teams need to luck out in lottery and end up with a superstar that you can build around and that makes others better.

Sacramento has a nice collection of young players but none are franchise type players. They need that stud. They already have a great 2nd option (Martin) and some potential there with Hawes, Thompson, Greene and Garcia but what they need is that stud to put the team on his shoulders and lead them to greatness down the track.

I think people are creaming themselves about Griffin but to me he is closer to being a Kenyon Martin than Carlos Boozer. Even if he turns out to be as good as Boozer thats still not an A grade super stud aka franchise player. Thats a very good player, an all-star but not a cornerstone of a franchise.

 

[mdc]

I must love Kevin Martin more than most. He's absolutely a 1st option imo.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

You must

 

[Stiffy_18]

I must love Kevin Martin more than most. He's absolutely a 1st option imo.

Look he is a great scorer and would make GREAT second option. Think in prime Peja to in prime Webber during Sacramento's great years but franchise player he is not. He is not a leader that makes everyone better. He can score with the best of them, and efficiently but he doesn't make his team mates better and the less said about his D the better.

I still love him and want him on the team but I think he needs that chief that he can be a wingman to and then his game will reach even higher levels.

 

[mdc]

Look he is a great scorer and would make GREAT second option. Think in prime Peja to in prime Webber during Sacramento's great years but franchise player he is not. He is not a leader that makes everyone better. He can score with the best of them, and efficiently but he doesn't make his team mates better and the less said about his D the better.

I still love him and want him on the team but I think he needs that chief that he can be a wingman to and then his game will reach even higher levels.

Oh, I agree, I was talking in terms of scoring - that's generally how "options" are defined.

You do need a leader - that's why Rubio would have been perfect.