NFL Relocations and League Expansion

[drd23]

It's not about the risk of bonds defaulting - its about the fact that there will be $750m of potentially available tax money that now cannot be used to fund services that actually benefit the wider Nevada community.

And before you argue that this is a tax on tourists and not on the residents of Nevada, this money could have been used instead of the next special tax that is introduced to fund something else (like paying to keep teachers to improve their school system which is arguably the 8th worst in the United states, the ongoing increases required for health funding etc)

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Stephen Ross says owners should fund their own stadiums

It sounds a good way of deterring owners from shifting cities at the drop of hat but in reality it wouldnt make any difference whatsoever. Cities (like LV) will still want professional sporting teams, cities will still fund the stadiums, it will just be straight to the owners pocket with tax payer money but in a brown paper bag instead. The highest bidder will still win.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

When politics creeps into sport it becomes a business, or at least 50% sport 50% business, its sad, its why i never want to see the AFL have owners. We have something really special in this country when you think about it.

 

[Chewy316]

It's not about the risk of bonds defaulting - its about the fact that there will be $750m of potentially available tax money that now cannot be used to fund services that actually benefit the wider Nevada community.

And before you argue that this is a tax on tourists and not on the residents of Nevada, this money could have been used instead of the next special tax that is introduced to fund something else (like paying to keep teachers to improve their school system which is arguably the 8th worst in the United states, the ongoing increases required for health funding etc)

It's got nothing to do with what you're insinuating! That 750 million was made into a tax specifically for the stadium. There was never any talk about there being a tax of 750 million to fund schools, hospitals etc as an alternative to the stadium. If they didn't pursue getting an NFL franchise, the tax would never have been made to begin with.

 

[Chewy316]

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Stephen Ross says owners should fund their own stadiums

Ross is just pissed because he just paid 500 million of his own money to renovate the Dolphins' stadium with no public money.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Ross is just pissed because he just paid 500 million of his own money to renovate the Dolphins' stadium with no public money.

No, he's a man of his word. He proved it by paying 500m himself and by voting no for the LV move. Also, he isn't trying to uproot a franchise from its traditional home. He's not out there trying to relocate the dolphins because he wants a new stadium, or a new stadium that the public are not willing to fund.

 

[Chewy316]

No, he's a man of his word. He proved it by paying 500m himself and by voting no for the LV move. Also, he isn't trying to uproot a franchise from its traditional home. He's not out there trying to relocate the dolphins because he wants a new stadium, or a new stadium that the public are not willing to fund.

500 million for a renovation of an already decent stadium is not comparable to the new stadium the Raiders were trying to get in Oakland.

You don't think it has anything to do with the small fact that his real estate company owns a large parcel of land near the Coliseum site who's value would have gone through the roof had a new stadium gotten done in Oakland?

 

[AmericanCrow]

While I agree on principle, the Browns voting yes is just Jimmy Haslam voting to put more money in his pocket while going with the majority to play nice with all the other rich and powerful people in the room.

I doubt he even thinks about the legacy and history of the Browns, nor the pain their fans went through when the previous iteration of the franchise was moved.

Exactly the point.

Also why this franchise will never be successful with him at the helm

Not only has he no f-ing clue about the history of the team, he equally has no f-ing clue how to run it

 

[drd23]

It's got nothing to do with what you're insinuating! That 750 million was made into a tax specifically for the stadium. There was never any talk about there being a tax of 750 million to fund schools, hospitals etc as an alternative to the stadium. If they didn't pursue getting an NFL franchise, the tax would never have been made to begin with.

What I said was:

Scenario A:
- Hotel Room Tax to pay for Stadium = $750m
- next time they need money (and they will) = new tax
--> Total cost >$750m

Scenario B:
- No Hotel Room Tax to pay for Stadium = $0
- next time they need money (and they will) = new tax
--> less than $750m

The wider community benefits more in Scenario B as they keep money in their own pockets until the next tax is asked for, and the overall tax rate is lower

I see no point discussing this with you further though because you're clearly entrenched in your views on this subject

 

[Exe Gesis]

500 million for a renovation of an already decent stadium is not comparable to the new stadium the Raiders were trying to get in Oakland.

You don't think it has anything to do with the small fact that his real estate company owns a large parcel of land near the Coliseum site who's value would have gone through the roof had a new stadium gotten done in Oakland?

I don't know for sure if he owns any land near the O.co stadium, but he has so many massive projects going on from east to west cost, each worth billions of dollars, that a marginal increase in value in any existing owned land near O.co is no carrot to him. He is a developer, entire precincts/projects. The land near O.co would've already been worth what it's worth with the O.co there all these years. A new stadium isn't going to change much, marginal. Whereas the projects he's already doing around America are massive developments that are going to rake in billions.

 

[Chewy316]

What I said was:

Scenario A:
- Hotel Room Tax to pay for Stadium = $750m
- next time they need money (and they will) = new tax
--> Total cost >$750m

Scenario B:
- No Hotel Room Tax to pay for Stadium = $0
- next time they need money (and they will) = new tax
--> less than $750m

The wider community benefits more in Scenario B as they keep money in their own pockets until the next tax is asked for, and the overall tax rate is lower

I see no point discussing this with you further though because you're clearly entrenched in your views on this subject

I'm unsure as to your rationale behind scenario B benefitting more because they keep money in their own pockets, when the tax raised to make the 750 million in scenario A is coming from a hotel tax that is only applied to patrons who stay at the hotel (i.e. tourists for the majority). Hence, in scenario A the locals keep money in their own pockets as well. Broken down on a per room basis, the tax on average is an extra $1.50 per night. Split between usually 2 people per room, it's not even a dollar per person.

I just don't see the scenarios as either/or. They're exclusive of each other. Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that the NV schooling system needs improvement, but I just don't look at the money they've raised from this tax and automatically apply it to said schooling system, because that's not how the political system works.

 

[crownie]

Eventually.

Also that was decades ago and a different time. With London games, fiascos like Deflategate and now senseless relocations, many fans are getting very cynical. The goodwill the NFL had generated in the years prior to Goodell taking over has evaporated quickly.

So people say about the AFL yet they just broke the all time attendance record for a weekend.

 

[Exe Gesis]

The Los Angeles Daily News reports "depending on how things turn out" for the Raiders in Oakland this season, San Antonio could be a temporary home in 2018-19.

San Antonio was once bandied about as a possible permanent home for the Raiders, while the city offered to host them part time when they were exploring a move to Los Angeles. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones could put the kibosh on even a temporary arrangement. Instrumental in the Raiders' move to Las Vegas, Jones wants as much of Texas to himself as possible.

 

[Brasher]

The sad reality if that if owners had to fund all their own stadiums they would be playing out of places like Cheektowaga or Lithonia...cheap to build, cheap to live and cheap labour.

The NFL gets what they want and the taxpayer pays for the privilege; large market coverage, corporate dollars, spiraling ticket prices, owners getting richer and TV mega bucks. In return the league makes rule changes inspired by not getting their arse sued.

 

[Brasher]

The Los Angeles Daily News reports "depending on how things turn out" for the Raiders in Oakland this season, San Antonio could be a temporary home in 2018-19.

San Antonio was once bandied about as a possible permanent home for the Raiders, while the city offered to host them part time when they were exploring a move to Los Angeles. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones could put the kibosh on even a temporary arrangement. Instrumental in the Raiders' move to Las Vegas, Jones wants as much of Texas to himself as possible.

Hmm...San Antonio or Vegas....in the end where is the ocean that pirates, you know, do what pirates do on their sailing boats?

 

[Exe Gesis]

Hmm...San Antonio or Vegas....in the end where is the ocean that pirates, you know, do what pirates do on their sailing boats?

Download pirates?

 

[Brasher]

Ah just call them the Las Vegas Complimentaries

 

[manureid]

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Stephen Ross says owners should fund their own stadiums

So the one guy who voted no, Stephen Ross... I wonder if he had his own agenda for voting no??

Oh Wait! He owns land next to the Coliseum.

http://sanfranciscoinformer.com/668...raiders-coliseum-stadium-san-francisco-video/

 

[drd23]

So the one guy who voted no, Stephen Ross... I wonder if he had his own agenda for voting no??

Oh Wait! He owns land next to the Coliseum.

http://sanfranciscoinformer.com/668...raiders-coliseum-stadium-san-francisco-video/

That blog post screams conspiracy theorist.

Why should Stephen Ross 'help' another team build their stadium just because he owns some land nearby?

 

[Exe Gesis]

That blog post screams conspiracy theorist.

Why should Stephen Ross 'help' another team build their stadium just because he owns some land nearby?

Exactly. It's a stupid point. He's taking in billions from more substantial new projects around the nation. Like actual wholesale development. That land in Oakland is already near the existing stadium. If it increases in value it'd be minimal. Not like he's contracted to actually develop anything there worth billions.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

So people say about the AFL yet they just broke the all time attendance record for a weekend.

Big deal. How many years have we had 9 games a weekend on? How many years has Bombers drugs saga gone on?

 

[andana]

Should get a lot more away supporters at games in vegas who were probably too scared to go to oakland.

Saturday, March 25, 2017 05:57PM
LAS VEGAS --
Las Vegas police say the gunman in a fatal shooting on the Strip who barricaded himself inside a public bus has surrendered peacefully after shutting down the busy tourism corridor for hours.

The standoff began about 11 a.m. Saturday with a shooting that killed one person and injured another. It happened on a double-decker bus on Las Vegas Boulevard near the Cosmopolitan hotel-casino.

University Medical Center spokeswoman Danita Cohen said two people were taken to the hospital after the shooting. She said one died and the other was in fair condition. Police said that person suffered minor injuries.

Las Vegas Police officer Larry Hadfield said just before 3:30 p.m. that the man had a handgun and surrendered without incident. Police did not open fire. Crisis negotiators, robots and armored vehicles were on the scene.

Police said they believe the armed man on the bus is the only suspect and that they have ruled out terrorism or any relationship to an earlier robbery nearby that shut down a part of the Bellagio hotel-casino.

Hadfield said the casino properties in the area have been cooperating by keeping people from exiting through their front doors onto the Strip.

Posted January 30, 2017 - 6:00am
Las Vegas police investigate Monday morning shootout that leaves 1 in hospital

 

[crownie]

Big deal. How many years have we had 9 games a weekend on? How many years has Bombers drugs saga gone on?

grow up and find those answers yourself.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

grow up and find those answers yourself.

Alrighty

 

[Chewy316]

This weekend I will be interviewing Joe Arrigo and Scott Winter on our podcast 'Any Given Monday' for a Raiders relocation round table special. Both guests are two of the most knowledgable on this saga. Both guys were at the owners meetings in Phoenix and have plenty of exclusive scoops which will be revealed on the podcast.