Reserves team hypothetical

[*PAF]

Well, when did reserves sides come into the old VFL that is now the AFL?

Found this. North Melbourne appear as if they are affiliated with 2 teams and only Geelong and Collingwood have stand alone reserves sides.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-118-0-0-0&sID=132900

The 2013 Victorian Football League season will be contested by the following 14 teams:

Bendigo Geelong
Box Hill Hawks (Hawthorn) North Ballarat (North Melbourne)
Casey Scorpions (Melbourne) Northern Blues (Carlton)
Coburg Tigers (Richmond) Port Melbourne
Collingwood Sandringham (St Kilda)
Essendon Werribee Tigers (North Melbourne)
Frankston Williamstown (Western Bulldogs)

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-118-0-0-0&sID=132900

 

[weekend at bernies]

Would make it a hell of a lot easier for a player to be able to come into the AFL and already have a sound understanding of what there roll in the team is!!!

 

[Cap]

who knows what kind of impact it would have, but I am more than happy to give it a try.

Didn't Lyons come out and say it would have been preferable for him?

 

[*PAF]

So we are on the same page, I'm talking pre crows. Like 1940's to 1995 when the AFL reservers were disbanded.
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I found a link wrt 2013. IIRC in Victoria I think they went down the affiliation path because of our success but I could be wrong.

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I think it will.

Imagine you are a 17 year old apprentice carpenter and within 2 months of starting your apprenticeship, you're asked to go work with a brand new set of carpenters 3 days a week in a very different environment.

Your first 5 or 6 weeks or even months will be very difficult until you made some friends. Hopefully they give you a ho, are fair to you and don't treat you like a dog.

However, don't you think the carpenters at the new place wouldn't get pissed off that you have taken one if there mates place and would feel agitated? Increasing the risk of them giving you a hard time or nit kicking the ball to you?

Now, if you worked 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year with the person and group of carpenters who employed you would make a much easier transition? Your development and skill acquisition would increase at a much faster rate?

I know where I'd rather be working.

Makes sense but if it applied in footy then we have serious issues and the player would be in the wrong club. Actually if it's a club based on Gold passes then the club itself has issues as no player at this sort of level should be guaranteed games.
The point I was trying to make is that making friends outside of work when living away from home is extremely important and underrated.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Found this. North Melbourne appear as if they are affiliated with 2 teams and only Geelong and Collingwood have stand alone reserves sides.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-118-0-0-0&sID=132900

The 2013 Victorian Football League season will be contested by the following 14 teams:

Bendigo Geelong
Box Hill Hawks (Hawthorn) North Ballarat (North Melbourne)
Casey Scorpions (Melbourne) Northern Blues (Carlton)
Coburg Tigers (Richmond) Port Melbourne
Collingwood Sandringham (St Kilda)
Essendon Werribee Tigers (North Melbourne)
Frankston Williamstown (Western Bulldogs)

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-118-0-0-0&sID=132900

That's fine. I don't have a problem with that as the core group of reserves players are grouped together in one environment.

My issue was sending one player to Centrals, another player to south and then sending them to all parts of the state. That can have no good for there development or well being, fitting or made to feel welcome.

 

[*PAF]

That's fine. I don't have a problem with that as the core group of reserves players are grouped together in one environment.

My issue was sending one player to Centrals, another player to south and then sending them to all parts of the state. That can have no good for there development or well being, fitting or made to feel welcome.

Do they have an old fashioned structure in the VFL such as reserves, under 18 etc? I am not sure they do so we may be comparing apples with oranges.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Makes sense but if it applied in footy then we have serious issues and the player would be in the wrong club. Actually if it's a club based on Gold passes then the club itself has issues as no player at this sort of level should be guaranteed games.

And thats why we have has player movement from the original mini drafted club. But why not just eliminate that and then the SANFL club doesn't have to worry about that player and the AFL can have the benefit of developing their own player in their own environment.

The point I was trying to make is that making friends outside of work when living away from home is extremely important and underrated.

Agree but it makes it much harder if your stealing one of their jobs in that process.

Making friends away from footy is essential but that's why clubs have players go to Uni, take, prevoc courses, 1 day a week seminaries. To meet people outside of the footy club.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Do they have an old fashioned structure in the VFL such as reserves, under 18 etc? I am not sure they do so we may be comparing apples with oranges.

Who?

I don't get who your subject is in this post?

 

[*PAF]

And thats why we have has player movement from the original mini drafted club. ...

This is the part that IMO should be made more AFL friendly.

 

[Mattrox]

I found a link wrt 2013. IIRC in Victoria I think they went down the affiliation path because of our success but I could be wrong.


Makes sense but if it applied in footy then we have serious issues and the player would be in the wrong club. Actually if it's a club based on Gold passes then the club itself has issues as no player at this sort of level should be guaranteed games.
The point I was trying to make is that making friends outside of work when living away from home is extremely important and underrated.

Gold passes or not player development is better when there is continuity. Playing a consistent game plan with people you will play with in the senior side will maximize development and allow accurate assessment of a player's skill set.

Anyone ever had a kid in a primary school class with 2 part time teachers sharing. It might work* but it is not best practice.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Sando obviously has seen first hand at Geelong the benefits of having all the playing list under direct control of the club. We are looking for any advantage however small to keep developing our list and keeping a tight group of players who are playing with their mates every week.
Should have been around for at least 5 years already.
How they top up players is another thing to work out when we have a high injury list.
To those who voted no difference...you are kidding yourself.
We need to keep our young group together as much as possible under our coaching system so I think it will have a valuable difference.

 

[*PAF]

Who?

I don't get who your subject is in this post?

Just a question that I do not know the answer.
Do VFL "clubs" have reserves and underage teams.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Just a question that I do not know the answer.
Do VFL "clubs" have reserves and underage teams.

Like Port Melbourne?

Not sure but if they don't, that would be based on the AFL philosophy and the TAC under 18. However, I imagine they have a reserves side but not underage sides.

 

[rocket18]

So we are on the same page, I'm talking pre crows. Like 1940's to 1995 when the AFL reservers were disbanded.


Your first 5 or 6 weeks or even months will be very difficult until you made some friends. Hopefully they give you a ho, are fair to you and don't treat you like a dog.


I know where I'd rather be working.

Me too, I want to become a carpenter!!

 

[rocket18]

This is one topic that if viewed logically from a Crows point of a view is a no brainer.

It has to be better for the development for the player playing reserves to work to/play the same team plan as the senior side so when they are selected it is more instinctive for them.

Let alone playing in the position that the crows coach sees them playing for the senior side.

There are NO negatives for the crows. Now for the SANFL that is a different question, but as I support and am a member of the crows that is my priority.

 

[Mattrox]

Supporters would like to see their AFL team win or at the very least compete.
At one stage a few years back Port had six (yes 6 ) ruckmen on it's list and recently you've had a plethora of talls many that were being groomed for similar positions. In a reserves team you would still have the issue of playing them out of position.

Maybe this will assist in better list management too. We are very short on fast small forwards....... we shouldn't be.

 

[*PAF]

FWIW I think the AFL teams will get reserves sides and the Magpies will remain as is and will also be Port's reserves team.

I am not sure if that will help either AFL club more than if the current set up was to be improved from an AFL perspective.

I need to go and will look at this thread again later but as a final point IMO it is a good time for the SAFC to review the whole set up. Trying to keep the SANFL as is like they have done in the past by pretending that the landscape hasn't changed didn't work and keeping the SANFL as is plus a couple of AFL reserves teams IMO will also not work.

There have been a number of good suggestions in the past about possible new structures for footy in SA on this board by various posters but, unfortunately, that will not be looked at until the old generation has moved on and but by that time the ozone layer as well as a shortage of aviation fuel may dictate the changes that will occur.

 

[jackster83]

Anyone ever had a kid in a primary school class with 2 part time teachers sharing. It might work* but it is not best practice.

I had that once, in year 4.

I used to fake I was sick on Thursdays and Fridays because one of the teachers was a madman.

 

[*PAF]

Maybe this will assist in better list management too. We are very short on fast small forwards....... we shouldn't be.

That is because your recruiting was centred around talls for a number of years. Very luck at that as not many other teams would have been able to lose as many as you have and still remain competitive.
Bock, Davis, Gunston and Tippett are more than one or two, not to mention the ex ruckmen playing for other teams.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Anyone ever had a kid in a primary school class with 2 part time teachers sharing. It might work* but it is not best practice.

You know, this happens all the time and it works.

I doubt there would be many schools where this doesn't happen in at least 3 or 4 classes.

The school I am at has maybe 5 different part time classes and shared teachers. 3 days a week with 1 teacher and 2 or 4 days and 1 day. Sharing the teaching. It happens all the time because its about having the same objective and following the same curriculum.

All that us changing us the petagodgy

Football clubs have different objectives.

 

[Mattrox]

That is because your recruiting was centred around talls for a number of years. Very luck at that as not many other teams would have been able to lose as many as you have and still remain competitive.
Bock, Davis, Gunston and Tippett are more than one or two, not to mention the ex ruckmen playing for other teams.

But these are all best 22 players which hardly impacts the reserves argument.

List management is dynamic but rather than a scatter gun approach (oh we better have 6 ruck men so one works out) list managers will actually have to identify talent that has the best chance to improve. I don't think Port's past list management is something to hold up as evidence that reserves won't work. Have you read this article recently:http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/port-12th-and-loving-it/story-e6frecsc-1111112220197 ? Go through the recruits in that article and see how many made it.

With a seconds team, it is a whole new game.

 

[Vader]

That is because your recruiting was centred around talls for a number of years. Very luck at that as not many other teams would have been able to lose as many as you have and still remain competitive.
Bock, Davis, Gunston and Tippett are more than one or two, not to mention the ex ruckmen playing for other teams.

On the flip side, we may not have lost so many (particularly the ruckmen), if we didn't have so many on our list in the first place.

 

[Allefgib]

You know, this happens all the time and it works.

I doubt there would be many schools where this doesn't happen in at least 3 or 4 classes.

The school I am at has maybe 5 different part time classes and shared teachers. 3 days a week with 1 teacher and 2 or 4 days and 1 day. Sharing the teaching. It happens all the time because its about having the same objective and following the same curriculum.

All that us changing us the petagodgy

Football clubs have different objectives.

What drives that approach Alex? I'm going to guess maternity leave and mothers returning to work?

(based on personal experience as a primary school student who had part time teachers sharing responsibility for a class)

So it's a workaround rather than an ideal? (which btw may have many other benefits despite, arguably, not being ideal)

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

What drives that approach Alex? I'm going to guess maternity leave and mothers returning to work?

(based on personal experience as a primary school student who had part time teachers sharing responsibility for a class)

So it's a workaround rather than an ideal? (which btw may have many other benefits despite, arguably, not being ideal)

Yeah, mostly parenting responsibilities and job sharing.

I don't know your experience or if it was even close to being acceptable but it works for us as and the kids respond to the duel teaching team.

 

[Mattrox]

What drives that approach Alex? I'm going to guess maternity leave and mothers returning to work?

(based on personal experience as a primary school student who had part time teachers sharing responsibility for a class)

So it's a workaround rather than an ideal? (which btw may have many other benefits despite, arguably, not being ideal)

Empty nesters whose husbands have retired or almost retired and a part-time but steady income with holiday pay and plenty of time off is a perfect fit.