Richmond Clangers by player.

[Truetiger]

All these are from the Richmond website.

Clangers per player up to this current round. Goes to show Jackson leading the way with Tuck close behind. hmmm but people continue to say how good they are etc etc. Pfft

Jackson 22.

17 clangers are
Mcguane
Tuck

Rance 16

13 clangers
Brown - 4 games
White
Morton
Riewoldt

Deledio 12

10 clangers
Moore 10
Tambling

Others

Mcmahon 5clangers from 4 games
Oakley Nichlas 6 from 2 games
Polo 6 from 5 games.
Simmonds 8 from 4 games
Collins 8 from 3 games
Coughlan 3 from 2 games
Graham 7 from 5 games
Nahas 5 from 4 games

 

[RichosGuns]

Rance 16 from 4 games is a bit of a concern. Average 4 clangers a game along with Jackson

 

[Madtiger2006]

Show me footage of the clangers and I bet jackson has about 1/3 of that figure. Same with all the others. How can anyone judge on these stupid statistics. Do they count what kind of pressure is on the player? Do the count what options the player has upfield? As far as I'm concerned a clanger is a short kick or a handball under no pressure which has obviously come off the side of the foot/hand or has dropped short of the target or a dropped mark such as Simmo's and Mcguanes in Round 1 You were telling me Jackson had 7 of these against Sydney. There is no way he even had 3 of these. These are the type mistakes that everyone would be talking about after the game. Silly thread. Did you see the 3 excellent 50m stab passes Jacko laid off to the forward over the last 2 games. Obviously he has plenty of foot skill

 

[beaver fever]

Statistics don't fit your perceived reality so the statistics must be wrong of course!

 

[Tigersman]

You need to consider how much of the ball each player gets also.

If Jackson and Tuck are getting the most possesions it is reasonable for them to have more turnovers than others.

There are many factors to consider with this.

 

[Camothy]

I dont think they are 22 CLANGERS, i would say 22 errors,

Errors defined by things such as;
- Kicking the ball off the ground to opp
- Fumble
- Dropped mark
- Missed shot
- Behind
ect ect

I dont think Jackson has had 22 clangers at all, it would be fair to say errors, not clangers.

Richmond's media pressure is huge, can't slang off Jackson for having a red hot crack at the footy, if the cog was turning smoothly, we wouldnt be looking at Jackson's negatives, more his positives of him being the 48th top disposal getter in the game today!

 

[PHX]

Clangers include free kicks and 50 metres as far as I'm aware which would skew Jackson and Tuck's count more than others.

Add that to the fact they are getting more of the ball than most others and it's all elementary.

 

[nut]

STOP THE PRESS... a side that is 1-5 has it's fair share of clangers..

 

[smasha]

Stupid thread TT.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Jimmy Bartel 26
Joel Corey 24
Steve Johnson 17
Gary Ablett 16
Andrew Mackie 15
Mark Blake 15


Gee have a look. bartel is rubbish

DROP HIM

I think we can close this thread now
Jacko is improving as a tagger while he's gaining experience. How good were his kicks to the leading forward in Rounds 5 and 6. How about his great tagging job on Selwood. You'd think a Richmond supporter would see young players with talent and expect them to take a while and they'd support them. But no, they just expect players like Jacko, Hughes, Tambo to be superstars by now. I haven't seen you stand up and cheer a single goal in the 2-3 years i've been at games with you, but I saw you get up and abuse Tambling for not getting around the sheppard laid on him and tackling the player with the ball(which is almost impossible sometimes)

 

[nut]

Re: geelong clanger count

Jimmy Bartel 26
Joel Corey 24
Steve Johnson 17
Gary Ablett 16
Andrew Mackie 15
Mark Blake 15

Gee have a look. bartel is rubbish

DROP HIM

Statistics don't fit your perceived reality so the statistics must be wrong of course!

......

 

[beaver fever]

Re: geelong clanger count

You are a conniving weasel and an imbecile nut. Dog act.

 

[nut]

Re: geelong clanger count

You are a conniving weasel and an imbecile nut. Dog act.

from you thats a compliment..

 

[Moreaux]

Re: geelong clanger count

from you thats a compliment..

Are you "dogging it" nut
nice work keep it up

 

[Moreaux]

Re: geelong clanger count

Jimmy Bartel 26
Joel Corey 24
Steve Johnson 17
Gary Ablett 16
Andrew Mackie 15
Mark Blake 15

Gee have a look. bartel is rubbish

DROP HIM

and first prize goes to Madtiger for the Danny Frawley use of stats
shows exactly what they really mean - pretty much nothing

 

[Coach_Required]

To get a rough guide on a players clanger count you should also take into account the amount of disposals they have also had which I have noticed no one has bothered looking in to so I have done it for you.

Lets look at some Richmond players first:

Bowden 13 clangers and 156 disposals @ 12.00 disposals per clanger
Deledio 12 clangers 136 disposals @ 11.33 per clanger
Tuck 17 clangers 157 disposals @ 9.23 per clanger
Foley 24 clangers and 158 disposals @ 6.58 per clanger
Jackson 22 clangers and 136 touches, or 6.18 per clanger
Rance 16 clangers 85 disposals @ 5.31
Riewoldt 13 clangers 71 disposals @ 5.46
King 7 clangers 30 disposals @ 4.28

Thinking this was shocking I did some more research and compared them to some Geelong players :

Bartel 26 clangers 178 disposals @ 6.84 per clanger
Corey 24 clangers 160 disposals @ 6.66
Ablett 16 clangers 214 disposals @ 13.37
Selwood 13 clangers 170 disposals @ 13.07
Ling 13 clangers 92 disposals @ 7.07
Blake 15 clangers 59 Disposals @ 3.93

I then compared this to last years premiers and got some suprising results:

Hodge 24 clangers 123 disposals @ 5.12 per clanger
Mitchell 18 clangers 173 Disposals @ 9.61
Bateman 19 clangers 139 disposals @ 7.31
Guerra 15 clangers 103 disposals @ 6.86
Franklin 26 clangers 82 disposals @ 3.15
Renouf 22 clangers 56 disposals @ 2.54

I also noticed that alot of forwards have a high clanger count must be due to missed shots etc being included, so even though Buddy's is shocking I think if a player is a forward then looking at clangers is not a very good guide on rating his disposal.

 

[Camothy]

Where are you getting your "Clangers" definition from?

Which website are you getting your statistics from?

 

[Coach_Required]

Where are you getting your "Clangers" definition from?

Which website are you getting your statistics from?

afl.com.au you can add the clangers and Effective disposals columns etc

 

[PUNTROADHAMMER]

Clangers should be only unforced errors.

Because of the random nature of this great game, the different way each player plays, and the shape of the footy I don't think it's possible to play "the perfect game" so I wouldnt read too much into these clangers stats.

 

[Coach_Required]

Clangers should be only unforced errors.

Because of the random nature of this great game, the different way each player plays, and the shape of the footy I don't think it's possible to play "the perfect game" so I wouldnt read too much into these clangers stats.

Agreed but in saying that everyone is ranked the same way when you are looking at the stats so it does give you some guide on how effective a player is with possession.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Re: geelong clanger count

and first prize goes to Madtiger for the Danny Frawley use of stats
shows exactly what they really mean - pretty much nothing

and my point is proven

 

[Benchwarmer77]

Lets look at some Richmond players first:

Bowden 13 clangers and 156 disposals @ 12.00 disposals per clanger
Deledio 12 clangers 136 disposals @ 11.33 per clanger
Tuck 17 clangers 157 disposals @ 9.23 per clanger
Foley 24 clangers and 158 disposals @ 6.58 per clanger
Jackson 22 clangers and 136 touches, or 6.18 per clanger
Rance 16 clangers 85 disposals @ 5.31
Riewoldt 13 clangers 71 disposals @ 5.46
King 7 clangers 30 disposals @ 4.28



Bartel 26 clangers 178 disposals @ 6.84 per clanger
Corey 24 clangers 160 disposals @ 6.66
Ablett 16 clangers 214 disposals @ 13.37
Selwood 13 clangers 170 disposals @ 13.07
Ling 13 clangers 92 disposals @ 7.07
Blake 15 clangers 59 Disposals @ 3.93


Hodge 24 clangers 123 disposals @ 5.12 per clanger
Mitchell 18 clangers 173 Disposals @ 9.61
Bateman 19 clangers 139 disposals @ 7.31
Guerra 15 clangers 103 disposals @ 6.86
Franklin 26 clangers 82 disposals @ 3.15
Renouf 22 clangers 56 disposals @ 2.54

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Nice

 

[JimmyRecard]

To get a rough guide on a players clanger count you should also take into account the amount of disposals they have also had which I have noticed no one has bothered looking in to so I have done it for you.

Lets look at some Richmond players first:

Bowden 13 clangers and 156 disposals @ 12.00 disposals per clanger
Deledio 12 clangers 136 disposals @ 11.33 per clanger
Tuck 17 clangers 157 disposals @ 9.23 per clanger
Foley 24 clangers and 158 disposals @ 6.58 per clanger
Jackson 22 clangers and 136 touches, or 6.18 per clanger
Rance 16 clangers 85 disposals @ 5.31
Riewoldt 13 clangers 71 disposals @ 5.46
King 7 clangers 30 disposals @ 4.28

Thinking this was shocking I did some more research and compared them to some Geelong players :

Bartel 26 clangers 178 disposals @ 6.84 per clanger
Corey 24 clangers 160 disposals @ 6.66
Ablett 16 clangers 214 disposals @ 13.37
Selwood 13 clangers 170 disposals @ 13.07
Ling 13 clangers 92 disposals @ 7.07
Blake 15 clangers 59 Disposals @ 3.93

I then compared this to last years premiers and got some suprising results:

Hodge 24 clangers 123 disposals @ 5.12 per clanger
Mitchell 18 clangers 173 Disposals @ 9.61
Bateman 19 clangers 139 disposals @ 7.31
Guerra 15 clangers 103 disposals @ 6.86
Franklin 26 clangers 82 disposals @ 3.15
Renouf 22 clangers 56 disposals @ 2.54

I also noticed that alot of forwards have a high clanger count must be due to missed shots etc being included, so even though Buddy's is shocking I think if a player is a forward then looking at clangers is not a very good guide on rating his disposal.

great post.

very intresting hodge is having such a shocker to the start of the year, hes traditonally one of the best kicks in the afl.

Must admit rances disposal does worry me a bit, but i think over time we will realise hes better at playing on the third tall rather than rebounding off half back who love at deledio in that role

 

[Coach_Required]

great post.

very intresting hodge is having such a shocker to the start of the year, hes traditonally one of the best kicks in the afl.

Must admit rances disposal does worry me a bit, but i think over time we will realise hes better at playing on the third tall rather than rebounding off half back who love at deledio in that role

I think anything over 6 is about the going rate in the AFL from what I was looking at, very skillful players some average over 10. I mean even Chris Judd is about 8.8 (168 disposals and 19 clangers)

 

[_RT_]

Re: geelong clanger count

There are 2 rules I follow regarding clangers.

Rule 1. Where the clanger occurs. If a player makes a clanger in the backline and it goes straight to an opponent and they score a goal it hurts a lot more than a clanger made in the midfield or forward line where you can still recover from the clanger and stop the opposition from scoring. You can almost bet that if you made a chart that showed where our clangers are made they would invariably be made where it hurts us the most.

Rule 2. Revolves around what players do with the possessions that aren't clangers. For example Deledio doesn't make a heap of clangers, so his clangers are forgiven, because his other possessions hurt the opposition. Same rule applies to the Geelong players, while they may make more errors than our players do, they also hurt their opposition more than our players do, because most of their possessions are used to attack and not defend. If our players were making errors trying to take the game on rather than messing around in the backline and putting themselves under un-necessary pressure, I would be more forgiving than I am.