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1990crow said:
Come on mate, it looks like Chapman is actually going to do something about this.
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I heard the interview...
JP Sauce said:
Chapman on 5AA just now (paraphrasing):

"We had bare-fist knuckle fights and went hard at it behind closed doors... People don't know that!"

"Where it started and where it ended up was more than 50% better than where it started."

"We got a $million down to $300,000. Sackings down to suspensions. Less draft penalties."

"What we got is what we got."

"No appeal."

"Essendon very harshly dealt with, 2 million is huge."

He rang Demetriou "immediately" and they had a "good chat about it".

"Beating the chest might feel good but it's pointless."
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Nothing will happen from this point on.
 

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Right so if Demetriou put down our comparatively harsh penalty to a lack of co-operation on our part, which, for the record, is the complete opposite of what the AFL said when we were given our punishment, and Chapman acknowledges this as "absolute crap", the question has to be, why not appeal?

If that's the reason we're given, and we don't accept that reason to be true, how can we continue to accept our penalties?

Three possibilities:
  1. we had a lot more to cover up than actually came out
  2. Trigg and Chapman are more interested in keeping their jobs than maintaining the integrity and strength of our club
  3. we're ****ing gutless.
 
Dandy_GO said:
Right so if Demetriou put down our comparatively harsh penalty to a lack of co-operation on our part, which, for the record, is the complete opposite of what the AFL said when we were given our punishment, and Chapman acknowledges this as "absolute crap", the question has to be, why not appeal?

If that's the reason we're given, and we don't accept that reason to be true, how can we continue to accept our penalties?

Three possibilities:
  1. we had a lot more to cover up than actually came out
  2. Trigg and Chapman are more interested in keeping their jobs than maintaining the integrity and strength of our club
  3. we're ******* gutless.
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why not 4. all of the above
 
Dandy_GO said:
Right so if Demetriou put down our comparatively harsh penalty to a lack of co-operation on our part, which, for the record, is the complete opposite of what the AFL said when we were given our punishment, and Chapman acknowledges this as "absolute crap", the question has to be, why not appeal?

If that's the reason we're given, and we don't accept that reason to be true, how can we continue to accept our penalties?

Three possibilities:
  1. we had a lot more to cover up than actually came out
  2. Trigg and Chapman are more interested in keeping their jobs than maintaining the integrity and strength of our club
  3. we're ******* gutless.
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4. Or all of the above!
 
We were unquestionably guilty.

The Bombers misdeeds seem a little more murky. At the very least they were in a position where they could challenge some of the allegations. Or at least realistically threaten to do so as a bargaining chip.

Timing is everything too. The AFL had to clean the decks this week. Had to come to an agreement before this round. Means they had to reach a deal. No such time pressure with us.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
We were unquestionably guilty.

The Bombers misdeeds seem a little more murky. At the very least they were in a position where they could challenge some of the allegations. Or at least realistically threaten to do so as a bargaining chip.

Timing is everything too. The AFL had to clean the decks this week. Had to come to an agreement before this round. Means they had to reach a deal. No such time pressure with us.
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Lets just remind you of some facts:

  1. Essendon ordered performance enhancing drugs through a convincted drug trafficker
  2. Essendon paid for the performance enhancing drugs on an invoice.
  3. Essendon got the players to sign a form which included performance enhancing drugs.
  4. The drugs no longer exist & records have mysteriously disappeared.
Add to this that the players took drugs which have not been past fit as being for human consumptions.

Yet AFC are penalised more draft picks.

What Essendon has done is far, far, far worse that AFC. The penalties should not have even been close!
 

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Universal love you are kidding surely!
Anyone and I mean anyone can reply to a email.
Under his leadership we have drop the ball a hell of a lot. No more than not dealing with Trigg appropriately.
 
Dandy_GO said:
Right so if Demetriou put down our comparatively harsh penalty to a lack of co-operation on our part, which, for the record, is the complete opposite of what the AFL said when we were given our punishment, and Chapman acknowledges this as "absolute crap", the question has to be, why not appeal?

If that's the reason we're given, and we don't accept that reason to be true, how can we continue to accept our penalties?

Three possibilities:
  1. we had a lot more to cover up than actually came out
  2. Trigg and Chapman are more interested in keeping their jobs than maintaining the integrity and strength of our club
  3. we're ******* gutless.
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Completely agree Dandy_GO. The AFL CEO used our non cooperation as the sole reason our draft sanctions were tougher. Someone is a BS artist. If it is the AFL CEO, he needs to come clean and re explain why our draft sanctions were tougher.!!
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Lets just remind you of some facts:

  1. Essendon ordered performance enhancing drugs through a convincted drug trafficker
  2. Essendon paid for the performance enhancing drugs on an invoice.
  3. Essendon got the players to sign a form which included performance enhancing drugs.
  4. The drugs no longer exist & records have mysteriously disappeared.
Add to this that the players took drugs which have not been past fit as being for human consumptions.


Yet AFC are penalised more draft picks.

What Essendon has done is far, far, far worse that AFC. The penalties should not have even been close!
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Matthew Lloyd was saying earlier that Dank has to come out and say what the players were given just for the players sake and their families.. He's thinking of it from the point of view of their health.. I don't think anyone at Essendon would want him to come out and say what they were all given from the point of view of PEDS and bans..
 

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James_37 said:
Which comments are these of Demetriou's?
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Demetriou said that part of the reason each team got the penalties they got was because Essendon fully cooperated with investigations and we didn't, which goes against what was declared by the AFL themselves when we got done.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Lets just remind you of some facts:

  1. Essendon ordered performance enhancing drugs through a convincted drug trafficker
  2. Essendon paid for the performance enhancing drugs on an invoice.
  3. Essendon got the players to sign a form which included performance enhancing drugs.
  4. The drugs no longer exist & records have mysteriously disappeared.
Add to this that the players took drugs which have not been past fit as being for human consumptions.

Yet AFC are penalised more draft picks.

What Essendon has done is far, far, far worse that AFC. The penalties should not have even been close!
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Proving all that is the difficulty.

The legality of AOD is at worst a grey area. The players tested positive to nothing and are yet to be charged. They "might" have been given some bad stuff but it can't be proven that they did, but the Bombers can't prove they didn't.

The reason the AFL gave them lesser penalties than the crime seemingly warrants is they didn't want to roll the dice on a trial or have the issue linger further. The Bombers didn't want to roll the dice on worse penalties if proof of breaches came to light, and didn't want 2014 premiership points as part of the conversation. So they took what they could get now.

We lost control of the timing with ours. Mid-2011 was the time to come clean when we were ball-suckingly bad and could have given up points easily. Coming off a prelim they could go harder on us.
 
Agent_86 said:
Did we cooperate or not? AFL CEO says no, AFC Chairman says yes. What is it??
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AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick said we did, so it's his word against Demetriou's.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-...sion-fitzpatrick-and-demetriou-notes-attached

Mr Fitzpatrick said he wanted to acknowledge for the record the Adelaide Crows Football Club, led by club chairman Rob Chapman, had co-operated fully with the AFL, once the Investigative process had begun, including opening all records to auditors and making all relevant staff available at all times, including those individuals facing charges.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-...sion-fitzpatrick-and-demetriou-notes-attached
 
fabs33 said:
AFL chairman Mike Fitzpatrick said we did, so it's his word against Demetriou's.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-...sion-fitzpatrick-and-demetriou-notes-attached



http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-...sion-fitzpatrick-and-demetriou-notes-attached
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Read the words. He thanked us for our cooperation after the investigation commenced. We didn't put ourselves in - far from it. We tried to get the trade done on the last day in the hope the whole thing would disappear with him.

We were caught.
 

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