List Mgmt. Ross Lyon - Sacked

[Dale147]

Just curious - What would you like to see change?

I guess it easy to say the game plan as a whole, but I feel there are other more deeply seeded issues at the club, that I really hope come good in time. We do have a good team, but sometimes you need to wonder what’s really going on.

 

[Dale147]

When Freo win a premiership I hope some of us track him down, paint him purple and strap him to a post on the cappuccino strip in Freo for the night

I’d really like to see that.

 

[Freo Shark]

I’d really like to see that.

Or Honey and fire ant nest.

 

[Son of a Wizard]

When Freo win a premiership I hope some of us track him down, paint him purple and strap him to a post on the cappuccino strip in Freo for the night

I’m in.

 

[Rion]

I know they're a bit of a buzz team atm but can we please stop using Melbourne as an example of a good rebuild/the importance of patience. They spent 12 years rebuilding and only started the uptick when the AFL decided to step in.

We certainly shouldn't be looking to match their development arc.

 

[Kenny_01]

I know they're a bit of a buzz team atm but can we please stop using Melbourne as an example of a good rebuild/the importance of patience. They spent 12 years rebuilding and only started the uptick when the AFL decided to step in.

We certainly shouldn't be looking to match their development arc.

When I referenced Melbourne it was just an example of a bunch of young players who have been playing together for 3-5 years. Getting 50-100 games into the core of your younger players is essential and if you can bring a group of them together then results generally follow.


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[Falkon]

ABC's Clint Wheeldon going after Lyon on 720 this morning. Inferred our 'best player' (Lachie Neale) is leaving. Cited AFL online poll having Lyon's disapproval at 67%. Also gave credence to the rumours surrounding poor coach/player relationships.

 

[Dale147]

ABC's Clint Wheeldon going after Lyon on 720 this morning. Inferred our 'best player' (Lachie Neale) is leaving. Cited AFL online poll having Lyon's disapproval at 67%. Also gave credence to the rumours surrounding poor coach/player relationships.

That poll on the AFL was for all and sundry, I’d put no faith in 67%, but hey, it could well be a lot more than that.

 

[Scham]

ABC's Clint Wheeldon going after Lyon on 720 this morning. Inferred our 'best player' (Lachie Neale) is leaving. Cited AFL online poll having Lyon's disapproval at 67%. Also gave credence to the rumours surrounding poor coach/player relationships.

Interesting. He’s no Hardie or Crumpet.

 

[E Shed]

Hackdorn just responded to a question on why cera re-signed if the culture is so toxic. He answered because he is being paid a crap load of money.

Next question should have been - Do you not think he would get just as good money to leave?
He stated he has become very close with the players he was drafted with and believes they can achieve success together.
Of course that doesn't fit the narrative does it.

 

[FreoMonocle]

I think we have made mistakes, mainly in 2016 trying to emulate a Hawthorn style game style rather than the forward half pressure game that kept us engrained in finals between 2012 and 2015.

Given the various rule changes that the AFL brought in, the AFL were sending a clear signal.

A bit crappola and knee jerk rather than giving the league time - hell, a recruit that looked good under rules xyz are recruited with a potential for over a decade and then the AFL piss on that by changing the rules - and you would have avoided recruiting that same player but are stuck with them or have wasted that draft pick.

 

[sansian]

Next question should have been - Do you not think he would get just as good money to leave?
He stated he has become very close with the players he was drafted with and believes they can achieve success together.
Of course that doesn't fit the narrative does it.

It was quite interesting listening to hackdorn change the narrative now and saying he is the only one standing up to the "lies" being told by the FFC.

Ultimately, there will be no evidence that can be provided that will make him change his tune.

If Collingwood win the GF this year, i am putting the house on Freo 2019 permiers

Last year Pies were 13th and Buck's head was on the chopping block....
2016 Richmond finished 13th and Dimmer's head on the block....
2006 Geelong finish 10th, Bombers head on the block.....

There is precedent

 

[Scham]

It was quite interesting listening to hackdorn change the narrative now and saying he is the only one standing up to the "lies" being told by the FFC.

Ultimately, there will be no evidence that can be provided that will make him change his tune.

If Collingwood win the GF this year, i am putting the house on Freo 2019 permiers

Last year Pies were 13th and Buck's head was on the chopping block....
2016 Richmond finished 13th and Dimmer's head on the block....
2006 Geelong finish 10th, Bombers head on the block.....

There is precedent

Are we going to change our assistant coaches like Richmond and Coll though?

 

[332docker]

That poll on the AFL was for all and sundry, I’d put no faith in 67%, but hey, it could well be a lot more than that.

love to know how many people actually polled - I wasn't

How many actually were freo supporters - probably very few...

 

[raffrox]

I know they're a bit of a buzz team atm but can we please stop using Melbourne as an example of a good rebuild/the importance of patience. They spent 12 years rebuilding and only started the uptick when the AFL decided to step in.

We certainly shouldn't be looking to match their development arc.

If you chart them from when Roos started then that certainly is a path we should emulate.

It's OK to say another team did something good.

The issue is that the AFL doesn't need us to be successful so we won't get any help so we will need to get our act together and theres a pretty fine margin for error.

 

[Kenyan]

Next question should have been - Do you not think he would get just as good money to leave?
He stated he has become very close with the players he was drafted with and believes they can achieve success together.
Of course that doesn't fit the narrative does it.

True, they are good mates and Adam was never going to leave. His manager has acted in his clients best interest delaying the negotiation of his contract.

 

[wayToGo_]

I don't think anybody here is holding up Melbourne as a blueprint for a rebuild (quite the opposite by most of us) but I think it's fair to say we are witnessing a group of young guys drafted in the past 3-4 years by the Demons that are now starting to gel well on field (we can still learn from their last few years vs the many cellar dweller rebuilders that are nowhere near it still). What happened before that was a train wreck and we can mostly ignore in the context of our rebuild. We have just turned over 22 players in the past two drafts and invested in a heap of midfielders in the latest draft and maybe even more to come this off season. The beginning fruits of that turnover we will hopefully see in 1-3 years time if they progress in a similar trajectory as Melbourne's young core (Oliver, Brayshaw, Petracca etc) have. The advantage for us is we have a bunch of good quality senior guys (25yo+) that Melbourne don't/didn't have on top of those many youngsters. It might be false hope but seeing 22 year old guys not only be part of a winning finals team but actually leading from the front gives some promise for our prospects in the not-to-distant future. But feel free to keep the microwave in standby mode just in case.

 

[Rion]

You can't just look at post Roos joining (e.g. 2014-2018) because the ground work for it was heavily influenced by the years of pain (and high draft picks) before it.

But I agree it does give the 'rebuilders' some hope that we haven't chosen the completely wrong strategy. And I fully believe that 3-4 years down the track everything will be fine and we'll be in and around finals again.

In the context of Ross though? I think you have to be looking so short term (next year is the big one you'd think) that he's in real trouble. Even if you compare us to Melbourne 3 years ago our group is probably at least a season younger than theirs. Don't think there's a hope in hell we're giving Ross 3 or 4 more years without finals.

 

[Bicco]

If Ross was coaching WC, Ryan would be playing half back.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Sheesh step out for awhile and the kids run amuck......Time for Mick Jaggers latest.....GET A GRIP....

Ross Lyon, in showing just how good a coach he is with guts and courage amidst the non informed....has focused on getting games into as many of the young crop even if it means getting belted at times. He could easily have aimed at us being a 10-14 game a year winning side but thats where we would be year in year out.

There is more work to be done probaly for most of 2019 in this regard before we start to see a consistent and powerful unit. It is the way it is.

More to the point....what does the coach need now?? With Mundy on the cusp and Fyfe 50/50 fitness wise and Neill one dimensional we need at least two strong bodied mids like the eagles Yeo and Redden.

Get a grip ...get a grip ...get a grip.... I like it

 

[benfica]

all it took was one move for bucks to stifle govs influence by putting mayne on him BUT good ole ross still trying to figure that one out lol

 

[salim malik]

all it took was one move for bucks to stifle govs influence by putting mayne on him BUT good ole ross still trying to figure that one out lol

Mcgovern copped a big head knock that stuffed him but never let the facts get in the way of some brick throwing.

Ps Collingwood lost.

 

[armpit]

I’d really like to see that.

I love your avatar. Give it to me if you leave.

 

[wehavethepassion]

It was quite interesting listening to hackdorn change the narrative now and saying he is the only one standing up to the "lies" being told by the FFC.

Ultimately, there will be no evidence that can be provided that will make him change his tune.

If Collingwood win the GF this year, i am putting the house on Freo 2019 permiers

Last year Pies were 13th and Buck's head was on the chopping block....
2016 Richmond finished 13th and Dimmer's head on the block....
2006 Geelong finish 10th, Bombers head on the block.....

There is precedent

In each of these cases especially Cats and Tigers there was a wholesale clean out of dud assistants and the arrival of Neale Balme is footy manager. Pies got rid of a few assistants as well. Don’t underestimate Longmuir’s impact on pies backline and team defensive structures. We have plodders as assistants because it suits Lyon not to have too many with better ideas about playing the game.

 

[estibador]

We have plodders as assistants because it suits Lyon not to have too many with better ideas about playing the game.

Or more likely, because it's tough to lure highly rated assistants over to the other side of the country when they have their pick of offers from a number of clubs that don't involve uprooting their lives.

The eagles had to give Mitchell a year as a player to entice him over and he still broke his contract to head back east as soon as he could.