Toast Round 11 = Collingwood 79-75 Carlton

[augie]

Yes I’m seriously saying all those others are ahead of her.
If you watched the “analysis” shows you’d understand she’s behind these guys. And I’ll also add Jordan Lewis as also being more insightful.

She is however better than Robbo.

So now you compare those on analysis shows, who have had time to review, digest the outcome and engineer their thinking with someone who gives analysis in the moment? Wow

 

[No SPIN]

So now you compare those on analysis shows, who have had time to review, digest the outcome and engineer their thinking with someone who gives analysis in the moment? Wow

It’s called preparation and experience. If it was just about reviewing data then a football background would not be necessary.
Daisy has no where near the experience to dissect the game on the run like the others I mentioned.

In case you think I’m an anti feminist.
I actually enjoy Kelly Underwood who is an excellent commentator IMO - I prefer her over Brayshaw any day.

 

[sideswipe]

I did shudder with that “nothing in it comment”, Daisy is usually better than that. She is at least as good as the other special comments people.

Daisy is very much on the players' side when it comes to anything MRO. Which is fine by me. Although she was a bit off on Friday night suggesting Buddy should get off with a fine when that is an impossibility for intentional high contact.

 

[magpienato]

She is at least as good as the other special comments people.

That's what I'm saying, she's good as a boundary rider just quick little comments about the state of the game on the ground but commentating a full game just isn't her forte, at least not yet.

 

[magpienato]

Lost me at "BT being one of the most entertaining around".
I can only assume he works cheap, cause he is shit.

That's not the same as saying he's good, but to say he isn't at least somewhat entertaining through his antics and what not just shows you have more of a problem with him personally.

^(Take note guys at how you can disagree with someone's view on a person without resorting to the same tired accusations of sexism)

 

[Gaspard]

From the first I have found Daisy's comments on games more insightful than most. She is particularly accurate in assessing an action in relation to the game situation at the time. I am not rapt in the sound of her voice as she calls things, but I think this is just a matter of long term conditioning on my part.

I agree that she was off in the "nothing in it" comment on the sling tackle, but I suspect that she is feeling the pressure of commenting with football thugs like Hodge, Ling and Carey who really see nothing wrong with players being bashed. That was after all, the way they played. I also suspect she will look back at that one and decide to steer clear of that sort of comment in future.
Those holding Taylor up as some sort of commentator's exemplar are really admitting that the whole art has descended to a miserable low. The studied drawing out of names like Lloyd is excruciating to hear. The only thing he does seem to know about is kicking technique, but I've heard his views on this more than enough times.

One of the biggest lacks is any real humour in the commentary. All we get are bowdlerized locker room jibes. I can do without those.

 

[Big Bryza]

Curious vote allocation there, I wouldn’t have said DeGoey had basically a BOG game. He was good yes, but worthy of a 5 and a 4? Yeah nah.

I think it was a game where you could genuinely have raffled the votes amongst a dozen players. Lots of players had moments and i can see why JDG polled well as he had 20 odd touches and a heap of score involvements in a relatively low scoring game.

Our team first mentality is what i'm really enjoying about us this season. Obviously Crisp is having an All Aus season but outside of that we are extremely even across the board. Fly, Leppa and Bolts are building a very good system amongst the group.

 

[Big Bryza]

Psychological?

We absolutely butchered the footy that day and even the worst teams will have a good game or 2 over the course of a season. Bad kicking is bad football and it cost us the win that day. We should be banging on the door of the top 4 at this stage.

 

[Big Bryza]

Working with a bunch of mad Carlton fans made my Monday so much better. First thing I heard when I walked in the door was the injury excuse - didn't even have to open my mouth!

Remind that about 2018 where we didn't have a backline and still made the GF!

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

That's what I'm saying, she's good as a boundary rider just quick little comments about the state of the game on the ground but commentating a full game just isn't her forte, at least not yet.

I think nearly all members of the commentary team have well and truly been promoted beyond their level of competence.

 

[Ulahoopski]

See this annoys me. So many in the game day thread bagging Daisy, and much of it the usual misogynist, incel crap about her forward/appearance.

Watch the replay and listen to her commentary and she was by far the most insightful, and is as good as anyone at understanding and communicating what is going on. When the pies were blasting them away in the first quarter, her comment was that Carlton needed to get possession and chip it around a bit. Carlton did that and got the game back on their terms. When Tyler kicked the goal she made the comment that he wouldn't have had a better two minutes in his career. I think we all agree. And when N Daicos picked up that loose ball in the last quarter her comment that we know how good Carlton's small forwards can be, but Daicos was better, was exactly what I was thinking. And with less than two minutes to go and the pies chipping it around (eventually to J Daicos) she was saying that Carlton need to push up even if it means leaving one of our forwards loose out the back. Again, spot on. And when Darcy went for the mark with less than a minute to go and knicked it out of bounds, Daisy was immediate in noting a point would have been better. Again, spot on.

Agree completely but as we both know you could cite a dozen examples showing her obvious understanding of the game only to cop the one debatable comment she made as the "counter argument". Much the same as player criticism is all about the negative and ignoring the positive on BF.

 

[Hazz]

What is the actual wording and interpretation of the kicking in danger rule? Does the boot have to come into contact with the opponents hand or is it based on whether the umpire deems the action to be potentially dangerous?

When kicking in danger occurs in the middle of the ground, they are usually paid but when it happens in front of goal, it's totally ignored. It happened yesterday when a Carlton player kicked the ball off the ground and his boot hit Murphy's hand. It also happened in 2018 grand final against west coast. Tom Langdon was trying to tap the ball across the line for a rush behind but but Rioli ran in kicked the ball out of Langdon's hand for a goal. Why aren't these paid as kicking in danger?

I believe this is the rule as it is written:

16.1) any kicking action undertaken by a player in black and white stripes that could loosely be deemed dangerous shall be penalised with a free kick against.
16.2) any kick directed at a player in black and white stripes must remove the head (or other appendage where the kicker makes contact) before a free kick can be awarded*

*amended in 1932 so that 16.2 only applies on the third new moon of the month.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Did he get smashed? He had 11 hitouts as the second ruck, and Carlton only had a combined 19 hitouts across all players for the match.

I actually thought he was pretty strong in the ruck whenever he went through there. Carlton's clearance advantage was due to the fact they have Cripps, Walsh, Cerra and Hewett running through there, who are all pretty handy.

Agree.

Carlton had 2 significant scoring periods. From memory, they kicked 4 unanswered goals in the 2nd quarter, and 3 unanswered goals at the end of the last quarter. Cameron was in the ruck during both those periods. That’s 7 of their 11 goals. I’m not sure what other measures there are that provide a more stark reflection.

It was also cox’s introduction into the ruck in the 1st term that helped us get back into the clearance battle. I don’t think we’d had 1 before that. Something like 0-5 before he was introduced, 4-9 by quarter time.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Agree.

Carlton had 2 significant scoring periods. From memory, they kicked 4 unanswered goals in the 2nd quarter, and 3 unanswered goals at the end of the last quarter. Cameron was in the ruck during both those periods. That’s 7 of their 11 goals. I’m not sure what other measures there are that provide a more stark reflection.

It was also cox’s introduction into the ruck in the 1st term that helped us get back into the clearance battle. I don’t think we’d had 1 before that. Something like 0-5 before he was introduced, 4-9 by quarter time.

Maybe.

Q3 center hitouts:-

1. Cameron locks it in, gets to Adams - Pies clearance
2. Cameron vs Cripps and taps straight to De Goey. Stupidly gives away a high tackle, Blues clearance
3. Cameron taps to Adams - Pies clearance
4. Cameron taps, it gets locked up and finally Carlton get a clearance

May just have been the balance in the centre square?

 

[pugsville]

Agree.

Carlton had 2 significant scoring periods. From memory, they kicked 4 unanswered goals in the 2nd quarter, and 3 unanswered goals at the end of the last quarter. Cameron was in the ruck during both those periods. That’s 7 of their 11 goals. I’m not sure what other measures there are that provide a more stark reflection.

It was also cox’s introduction into the ruck in the 1st term that helped us get back into the clearance battle. I don’t think we’d had 1 before that. Something like 0-5 before he was introduced, 4-9 by quarter time.

Well your memory is faulty. Just watched the 2ndd quarter. Your entire recall on that Carlton scoring in the 2nd and rucking is completely wrong. Cox was rucking for the first 3.

Three minutes of players after the Henry point to Cripps goal without a ruck contest. Then ruck contest, with Cox in teh ruck, he losses, carton goals clears and gaols (walsh) and cox is still in the ruck (gives away free in fornt of goal) for Cerra for the thrid. Camron comes into the ruck, pies clearnce, a couple draws in teh collinwgood back line (boue ruck contests) before cameron loses one on the wing, but carlton truns it over collingwood turn it over, calrton turn it over, collingwood turn it over , before Carlton go forward and scores crunow scores. Don;tt see how cameron ruck woek lead to that goal.

You are just utterly wrong about the facts.

It was Cameron coming into the ruck which stabilized clearances NOT cox, 180 degree wrongness there.

 

[Copeland]

Pendles got a knock in the third, is that a problem?

 

[MsPendles]

I actually don't think BT is too bad provided he doesn't have anyone to lead him astray. Yesterday he was with Bennett, Lingy and Daisy so he had to be serious.

It's when he tries the banter on with Luke Darcy, James Brayshaw and Richo that he can get a bit much.

Honestly can’t stand BT, it was like Collingwood wasn’t on the park, everything caaarton did was wonderful and fabulous, he is always so one sided towards whoever we are playing.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Well your memory is faulty. Just watched the 2ndd quarter. Your entire recall on that Carlton scoring in the 2nd and rucking is completely wrong. Cox was rucking for the first 3.

Three minutes of players after the Henry point to Cripps goal without a ruck contest. Then ruck contest, with Cox in teh ruck, he losses, carton goals clears and gaols (walsh) and cox is still in the ruck (gives away free in fornt of goal) for Cerra for the thrid. Camron comes into the ruck, pies clearnce, a couple draws in teh collinwgood back line (boue ruck contests) before cameron loses one on the wing, but carlton truns it over collingwood turn it over, calrton turn it over, collingwood turn it over , before Carlton go forward and scores crunow scores. Don;tt see how cameron ruck woek lead to that goal.

You are just utterly wrong about the facts.

It was Cameron coming into the ruck which stabilized clearances NOT cox, 180 degree wrongness there.

Wouldn't be the first time my memory wasn't 100%.

Edit: Actually went back and watched the replay thinking I could not possibly be as wrong as you suggest. Guess what? I wasn't.

Quarter 1:
There were 6 centre bounces, Cameron took 2 (2x Collingwood goals), Cox took 4 (2x Carlton goals; 1x Collingwood goals). I was correct about Cox being in the centre when we won our 1st clearance changing the flow of those. Cox attended the last of the quarter - no goals.

Quarter 2:
Cameron was at 3 centre contests (1x Collingwood goal; 2x Carlton goals), Cox was at 3 (2x Carlton goals). So yep, I was wrong. The run of 4x Carlton goals was Cameron, Cox, Cox, Cameron. Cox attended the last of the quarter - no goals.

The order was Cameron (Collingwood Goal), Cameron (Carlton Goal), Cox (Carlton Goal), Cox (Carlton Goal), Cameron (Carlton Goal), Cox (Nil Goals). And you're mistaking Cox being in defence for Cox being in the ruck when Cripps kicked their 1st of the run. The hand over actually happened at the subsequent centre bounce.

Quarter 3:
Cameron attended all 4 (3x Collingwood Goals - no goals from the last one).

Quarter 4: (also in my comments and which you've completely ignored)
Cameron attended all 10, including the run of 3 goals at the end to Carlton which I also stated..

So if we're talking facts and in the interest of full disclosure:

Cameron Centre Square	Collingwood Goals - 10 Goals	Carlton goals - 7 Goals
Q1	2	-
Q2	1	2
Q3	3	-
Q4	4	5

Cox Centre Square	Collingwood Goals - 1 Goal	Carlton Goals - 4 Goals
Q1	1	2
Q2	-	2
Q3	-	-
Q4	-	-

So in terms of being wrong, I'm seeing more right than wrong in my initial post.

In terms of clearances, I'm very happy with my recollections. We got 2 centre clearances (free kick to Adams; Cox himself) in the 1st quarter, Cox was rucking both times, Carlton had 4. After that Q2 Carlton 2, Collingwood 3. Q3 Carlton 1, Collingwood 2. Q4 Carlton 6, Collingwood 2. Maybe returning Cox to the ruck in that last quarter might have changed the trends. Guess we'll never know. Overall, they were +4 for centre clearances, Cameron was there for all of them.

Happy for you to continue to push your opinions as facts, I'll stick to the actual facts. I'll leave it there.

 

[pugsville]

Wouldn't be the first time my memory wasn't 100%.

Edit: Actually went back and watched the replay thinking I could not possibly be as wrong as you suggest. Guess what? I wasn't.

Quarter 1:
There were 6 centre bounces, Cameron took 2 (2x Collingwood goals), Cox took 4 (2x Carlton goals; 1x Collingwood goals). I was correct about Cox being in the centre when we won our 1st clearance changing the flow of those. Cox attended the last of the quarter - no goals.

Quarter 2:
Cameron was at 3 centre contests (1x Collingwood goal; 2x Carlton goals), Cox was at 3 (2x Carlton goals). So yep, I was wrong. The run of 4x Carlton goals was Cameron, Cox, Cox, Cameron. Cox attended the last of the quarter - no goals.

The order was Cameron (Collingwood Goal), Cameron (Carlton Goal), Cox (Carlton Goal), Cox (Carlton Goal), Cameron (Carlton Goal), Cox (Nil Goals). And you're mistaking Cox being in defence for Cox being in the ruck when Cripps kicked their 1st of the run. The hand over actually happened at the subsequent centre bounce.

Quarter 3:
Cameron attended all 4 (3x Collingwood Goals - no goals from the last one).

Quarter 4: (also in my comments and which you've completely ignored)
Cameron attended all 10, including the run of 3 goals at the end to Carlton which I also stated..

So if we're talking facts and in the interest of full disclosure:

Cameron Centre Square	Collingwood Goals - 10 Goals	Carlton goals - 7 Goals
Q1	2	-
Q2	1	2
Q3	3	-
Q4	4	5

Cox Centre Square	Collingwood Goals - 1 Goal	Carlton Goals - 4 Goals
Q1	1	2
Q2	-	2
Q3	-	-
Q4	-	-

So in terms of being wrong, I'm seeing more right than wrong in my initial post.

In terms of clearances, I'm very happy with my recollections. We got 2 centre clearances (free kick to Adams; Cox himself) in the 1st quarter, Cox was rucking both times, Carlton had 4. After that Q2 Carlton 2, Collingwood 3. Q3 Carlton 1, Collingwood 2. Q4 Carlton 6, Collingwood 2. Maybe returning Cox to the ruck in that last quarter might have changed the trends. Guess we'll never know. Overall, they were +4 for centre clearances, Cameron was there for all of them.

Happy for you to continue to push your opinions as facts, I'll stick to the actual facts. I'll leave it there.

You said that Cameron. was rucking when Carlton scored ALL of the 4 goals in a row and made it critical part of your case,

You were wrong. deaad worng. Your recollections extrmely inaccurate. Now you build up some other bulldust case,

When presented with evidence that your case is wrong, you pivot to another set of "evidence" and another "case" and cliam you were right all along.

In the run of 4 if you look at the first and last which you credit to cameron's ruck work they were extended period of play with changes of possession, without a ruck contest. How are they reasonably laid at the feet of Cameron's ruck work?

 

[Mollythedolly]

You said that Cameron. was rucking when Carlton scored ALL of the 4 goals in a row and made it critical part of your case,

You were wrong. deaad worng. Your recollections extrmely inaccurate. Now you build up some other bulldust case,

When presented with evidence that your case is wrong, you pivot to another set of "evidence" and another "case" and cliam you were right all along.

In the run of 4 if you look at the first and last which you credit to cameron's ruck work they were extended period of play with changes of possession, without a ruck contest. How are they reasonably laid at the feet of Cameron's ruck work?

Wow, I was going to let this go but your post just makes that impossible. My post was as follows:

Agree.

Carlton had 2 significant scoring periods. From memory, they kicked 4 unanswered goals in the 2nd quarter, and 3 unanswered goals at the end of the last quarter. Cameron was in the ruck during both those periods. That’s 7 of their 11 goals. I’m not sure what other measures there are that provide a more stark reflection.

It was also Cox’s introduction into the ruck in the 1st term that helped us get back into the clearance battle. I don’t think we’d had 1 before that. Something like 0-5 before he was introduced, 4-9 by quarter time.

Carlton had 2 significant scoring periods. From memory, they kicked 4 unanswered goals in the 2nd quarter, and 3 unanswered goals at the end of the last quarter. Cameron was in the ruck during both those periods.

Actually 100% correct, Cameron was in the ruck during both those periods, for the 1st and last of the 4 goals in the 2nd, for all the 3 goals in the last.

It was also cox’s introduction into the ruck in the 1st term that helped us get back into the clearance battle.

Actually also 100% accurate. We won 2x centre clearances in the 1st quarter, free kick to Taylor, kick by Cox himself. Cox in the ruck for both. Check the stats, it's there in B&W.

So no shifting at all other than yours, just providing actual evidence in support of my claim. Something you're extremely light on for. I accept your apology. I'll leave it there as you're clearly loose with facts and truth.

 

[jonbe54]

OHHHH MYYYYY!!!!!!

Just the sight of Scum bodies lying prone on the G with their hands over their heads is worth the price of admission.

 

[raymond35]

OHHHH MYYYYY!!!!!!

Just the sight of Scum bodies lying prone on the G with their hands over their heads is worth the price of admission.

And Darcy Moore celebrating with the crowd again

 

[jonbe54]

And Darcy Moore celebrating with the crowd again

Another sight regarding Moore none of us have seen for far too long was him taking the mark at the peak of his leap and then on landing accelerating powerfully away up the line with true purpose.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Another sight regarding Moore none of us have seen for far too long was him taking the mark at the peak of his leap and then on landing accelerating powerfully away up the line with true purpose.

Good pickup....... his legs were spinning before his hit the ground, like a road runner cartoon