Round 2 Changes

[Kong]

Give Ryder a run up forward!

I actually agree with you.
Based on today, Hurley has the ability to help out down back and release Ryder, at least in bursts. He could be a 3-goal a game forward, I believe.

 

[upanddown]

Out: Houli, Neagle

In: Zaharakis, Bellchambers

As ant suggested we can play Ryder up forward if we want to change it up and Scotty can always drop back into defence. Lucas was not as bad as some people think.

Ryder would cause some trouble up forward. He has a bloody straight kick as well straightest i have seen. His leap with a be a factor as well.

 

[upanddown]

I also think Pears was good today. I would drop Slattery ahead of Pears.

Pears peformance was second to none. He also nearly broke Eberts wrist which is a postive.

 

[Longy413]

Naegle has to go and find some form . You can not get a couple of disposals drop marks and play from behind all day and stay in the side. He has been the same all pre season.

Then in that case, Lucas should go as well.

Dyson and Slattery did not have terrible games but both regularly make mistakes and turn the ball over. This is not likely to change. I think a backline containing Dyson and Slattery is a little dangerous with their turnovers.

I stand to be corrected, but I don't recall a Slattery turnover today.
He played a good game.



Why would we bring Bellchambers in to ruck against Sandilands?
I would have though Ryder is our best option against him, because he can jump over him.

 

[Merv]

He played a good game.

Your idea of a good game and mine must be different.

He does play a difficult position but he is regularly beaten and was again today.

His opponent got 17 possessions, took 8 marks and kicked 2.2, which for a small forward pocket are large numbers.

He was soundly beaten but at least he didn't give away any stupid free kicks.

I know you either like him or don't mind him and he does try his guts out but he is a very very average footballer.

I don't think many changes are needed and i wouldn't mind Ryder playing forward as with Fletch, Hurley and Pears we should be ok.

 

[yaco55]

I will be a bit radical in my team selection.

In - Bellchambers
Out - Neagle

We need Bellchambers to play as we were forced to sacrifice Hille and Ryder today. You cant expect Hiile to ruck as much as today and Ryder cant pinch hit in the ruck and then go back to defence. It is crazy.

Neagle doesn't give us enough and needs 5 0r 6 consistent games at Bendigo.

I would move Hurley or Pears up forward and stabilise Ryder is defence.

I am unsure about Pears capability up forward but Hurley has played witrh success up forward in the TAC CUP.

 

[Longy413]

His opponent?

He played on a variety of opponents.

 

[Merv]

His opponent?

He played on a variety of opponents.

Well if that was in fact true i will stand corrected but appeared to me on TV he was on Ebert for at least the majority of the time.

 

[bretto462]

Hey guys, i think zaha has to get his chance against freo. Heard on SEN today that he had 32 touches and kicked 7 goals against Geelong in the VFL yesterday. I think that kind of form has to be rewarded.

 

[silk]

IN: Jetta Atkinson
Out: Monfries Dyson

 

[tristo]

no change, barring injury.

Give them all a second game before making any changes.



However....

If there is going to be a change Bellchambers in, and out would depend on the Fremantle side.

 

[Hencho]

In: Bellchambers, Zaharakis
Out: Pears, Dyson

 

[Daytripper]

Its not just a matter of dropping the worst player and bringing in the best player from the twos. We have to consider who we are playing.

Fremantle have 3 key forwards (Pavlich, Tarrant and Murphy), all of whom play a roaming role.

I would suggest that Ryder would get Pavlich outside the goalsquare, Fletcher would play within the goalsquare and McPhee/Hurley would take the other tall.

That doesn't leave a spot for Pears unfortunately.

Hille will need help against Sandilands and therefore Bell-Chambers should be an inclusion. It may even turn out to be a plus as Sandilands's back-up is Kepler who would be exploitable by some tall rucks at stoppages.

I'd like to see Zaharakis prove himself again for Bendigo. One swallow doesn't make a summer. Don't know if Leroy is suited to Telstra. Seems to be more of a big ground player. Houli is worth persevering with unless McVeigh is fit.

In : Bellchambers
Out : Pears

 

[dave_27]

Its not just a matter of dropping the worst player and bringing in the best player from the twos. We have to consider who we are playing.

Fremantle have 3 key forwards (Pavlich, Tarrant and Murphy), all of whom play a roaming role.

I would suggest that Ryder would get Pavlich outside the goalsquare, Fletcher would play within the goalsquare and McPhee/Hurley would take the other tall.

That doesn't leave a spot for Pears unfortunately.

Hille will need help against Sandilands and therefore Bell-Chambers should be an inclusion. It may even turn out to be a plus as Sandilands's back-up is Kepler who would be exploitable by some tall rucks at stoppages.

In : Bellchambers
Out : Pears

Kepler Bradley will expose Bellchambers around the ground something shocking.

I really dont see a need for him to play or for Ryder to play down back.

Tarrant played down back (and did pretty well) last night on Brad Johnson so I think we can ignore him as a forward option.

I really dont see why Hurley and Pears cant take Mcpharlin and Murphy with Fletcher on Pavlich.

Ryder forward and back up ruck.

 

[bomberstomake8]

Its not just a matter of dropping the worst player and bringing in the best player from the twos. We have to consider who we are playing.

Fremantle have 3 key forwards (Pavlich, Tarrant and Murphy), all of whom play a roaming role.

I would suggest that Ryder would get Pavlich outside the goalsquare, Fletcher would play within the goalsquare and McPhee/Hurley would take the other tall.

That doesn't leave a spot for Pears unfortunately.

Hille will need help against Sandilands and therefore Bell-Chambers should be an inclusion. It may even turn out to be a plus as Sandilands's back-up is Kepler who would be exploitable by some tall rucks at stoppages.

I'd like to see Zaharakis prove himself again for Bendigo. One swallow doesn't make a summer. Don't know if Leroy is suited to Telstra. Seems to be more of a big ground player. Houli is worth persevering with unless McVeigh is fit.

In : Bellchambers
Out : Pears

didnt mcveigh say he would be back to play against freo?
if so

In: Mcveigh, bellchambers
Out: neagle, houli

play pears hurley and fletcher as the talls down back, hille and bellchambers in the ruck. play ryder forward for pretty much the whole match i think unless we are having issues in defence, our main issue was when the ball hit the ground in attack they ran it out easily, there was one passage of play in the small time ryder is forward that he didnt take the mark but when the ball hit the ground he made 2nd and 3rd efforts and caused other scoring chances, thats what we need.

 

[Boucks09]

I don't believe that Bellchambers was dropped for 'tactical' reasons. As if we would drop a ruckman against one of the best ruck duos in the competition so that we could move our CHB to pinch hit all over the ground and have Pears who is not match fit play KPD. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

So Bellchambers would be an automatic inclusion against Fremantle if fit and Pears would go out. Tayte will get his chances this year but just needs some more games under his belt and doesn't suit current team balance; Ryder needs to be left in one position at that is currently CHB for him until Pears/Daniher is ready.

I'm worried about Neagle as all his preseason games have been the same so far, however Knights is committed to playing tall down forward and Etihad Stadium will suit that style of play so he will keep his spot...for now. It will also mean that Fremantle will have to rely on Tarrant playing on a tall and perhaps even reduce the possibilty of moving McPharlin up forward which is a positive for us.

Dyson deserves to keep his spot. He was ok yesterday and whilst I'm not a fan you can't drop him yet.

The only players who I would look at perhaps coming into the side are Jetta and Zaharakis (unless McVeigh comes up which would be doubtful). They will be named in the squad with Dempsey and Houli potentials to be dropped. Both looked a bit out of sorts yesterday and with Dyson looking ok down back, he could play in Dempsey's role, allowing for us to bring in a midfielder and small forward.

I think both Dempsey and Houli could be in our best 22 by the end of the year but both appear to be lacking confidence and just do not exert enough defensive pressure at the moment (3 and 0 tackles respectively). Saying that I would expect only one of Dempsey or Houli to be dropped this week with Houli the likely candidate for Jetta. Zaha must of had a blinder but for team balance Jetta is a better fit and played his best ever game against Fremantle last year. Zaharakis will get his chance don't stress...but lets see him have a couple of great games and really put some pressure on the likes of Lonergan, Winderlich and Dempsey.

Ins: Bellchambers, Jetta
Outs: Pears, Houli

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Ins : McVeigh(if fit), Jetta
Outs : Dyson, Neagle/Lucas

Play Ryder ruck/fwd and defense if he needs to go down there. We could always switch Hurley fwd and give him a taste for a bit if need be.

 

[Smokin]

I think structure-wise, Monfries has to be an out, if he is or not remains to be seen.

We got killed at ground level in the forward line, we need genuine crumbers and Monfries clearly isnt. To me, he is a short lead up player. He doesnt fit. Id play Jetta or perhaps Zaharakis if he is that type, with a ground level, crumbing mandate.

McVeigh is a wait and see, and I would keep Pears to free Ryder to be the forward/back up ruckman.

Dyson would be my other out, assuming McVeigh and one of Jetta/Zaharakis come in.

 

[Big Scottknowsall]

Those calling for Dyson as an out is it becasue you don't rate him or is it on his game today ?

I don't rate him but he was ok as a defender today. There where worse than him.

Naegle has to go and find some form . You can not get a couple of disposals drop marks and play from behind all day and stay in the side. He has been the same all pre season.

Give Ryder a run up forward!

Dyson got better as the game moved forward, and he really comes in to it for us when the team is up and running with momentum. He still didn't commit to several contests I tihnk he should of...but I do think he deserves another go, there were worse, and his offensive work coming off the half back line will be important moving forward.

He just needs to get some nuts...

I'd be happy for Neagle to go...this crap of playing the youngsters in the league team with the stablished players to "learn" is a load of rubbish for mine. Get Lloyd back to full forward, I find it partially disrespectful that he is being played all over the place. Neagle out for sure, kick a couple of bags in the two's and you're back in.

It's going to be tough for the selectors when McV is fit, Myers has had a couple of runs in the two's, and if Zaka keeps going. Also, the likes of Nash, Atkinson, Jetta SHOULD be applying weekly selection pressure to the Dyson's of the team...the call will need to be made on several players, and Dyson remains one of those.

For next week, I'd like to see:

IN - Bellchambers
OUT - Neagle

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

I think structure-wise, Monfries has to be an out, if he is or not remains to be seen.

We got killed at ground level in the forward line, we need genuine crumbers and Monfries clearly isnt. To me, he is a short lead up player. He doesnt fit. Id play Jetta or perhaps Zaharakis if he is that type, with a ground level, crumbing mandate.

McVeigh is a wait and see, and I would keep Pears to free Ryder to be the forward/back up ruckman.

Dyson would be my other out, assuming McVeigh and one of Jetta/Zaharakis come in.

Good point. I forgot about Monfries. He's a smaller version of Lloyd and Lucas and gives us no zip.

 

[rainman06]

If everyone keeps insisting that Ryder should be played as a forward, why does Bellchambers need to come in then? Surely Ryder could ruck for 25 % of the game to give Hille a chop out.

I dont know if i can make a change. I would like to see Jetta or Zaharakis do some crumbing up forward but i think Neagle is worth another chance - he should get a bit more space against Fremantle and we should be able to lift our forward delivery at the T Dome. Only other option would be to drop Houli but again IMO he is worth his spot in the 22 again this week.


Of the other players who are being suggested to be left out.....
Monfries -Didnt play well but he has earnt the allowance of at least one bad game before he gets dropped
Pears -Will be needed if Ryder is the 2nd ruckman and i thought he was handy yesterday anyway
Dyson -Actually played pretty well and only the haters would want to see him dropped, and Knights isnt one of them
Lucas - Dont be stupid

 

[rioli brownlow]

If everyone keeps insisting that Ryder should be played as a forward, why does Bellchambers need to come in then? Surely Ryder could ruck for 25 % of the game to give Hille a chop out.

I dont know if i can make a change. I would like to see Jetta or Zaharakis do some crumbing up forward but i think Neagle is worth another chance - he should get a bit more space against Fremantle and we should be able to lift our forward delivery at the T Dome. Only other option would be to drop Houli but again IMO he is worth his spot in the 22 again this week.


Of the other players who are being suggested to be left out.....
Monfries -Didnt play well but he has earnt the allowance of at least one bad game before he gets dropped
Pears -Will be needed if Ryder is the 2nd ruckman and i thought he was handy yesterday anyway
Dyson -Actually played pretty well and only the haters would want to see him dropped, and Knights isnt one of them
Lucas - Dont be stupid

i would go with .

slattery,hurley,pears
dempsey,fletcher,windelich
lovett,watson,stanton
monfries,lucas,mcphee
davey,lloyd,ryder
hille,skipworth,lonergan
dyson,zaka,houli,hocking

 

[Mr Mosquito]

i would go with .

slattery,hurley,pears
dempsey,fletcher,windelich
lovett,watson,stanton
monfries,lucas,mcphee
davey,lloyd,ryder
hille,skipworth,lonergan
dyson,zaka,houli,hocking

DON'T HATE IT!

Is an ideal game to experiment with this line up with freo only having 1 MAJOR key forward and being slightly thin in defensive KPP's

Zaka must get a run

 

[ant555]

Then in that case, Lucas should go as well.

You could argue that point.
Neagle has now played 4 games this year and had no more than 2 disposals in any of them. I just can not see any benifit for him playing seniors if he keeps getting low returns.
IMO i think he would be better playing for Bendigo and getting 10 to 15 touches and kicking a few goals at this stage.

 

[ant555]

Its not just a matter of dropping the worst player and bringing in the best player from the twos. We have to consider who we are playing.

Fremantle have 3 key forwards (Pavlich, Tarrant and Murphy), all of whom play a roaming role.

I would suggest that Ryder would get Pavlich outside the goalsquare, Fletcher would play within the goalsquare and McPhee/Hurley would take the other tall.

That doesn't leave a spot for Pears unfortunately.

Hille will need help against Sandilands and therefore Bell-Chambers should be an inclusion. It may even turn out to be a plus as Sandilands's back-up is Kepler who would be exploitable by some tall rucks at stoppages.

I'd like to see Zaharakis prove himself again for Bendigo. One swallow doesn't make a summer. Don't know if Leroy is suited to Telstra. Seems to be more of a big ground player. Houli is worth persevering with unless McVeigh is fit.

In : Bellchambers
Out : Pears

Did not see all of the game last night but the parts i watched Tarrant was playing in defence.