Toast Round 2 = Collingwood 100-58 Adelaide

[No SPIN]

Don't bet too much on that - if this latest variant is as bad as it's being assessed to be that could very easily happen.

Pollies are all ego maniacs and none of them would want to be held responsible for the fall of civilization, by being too slow to take preventative measures.

Yes it could happen.

Our much vaunted civilization is far more fragile than most can imagine.

If you don’t think public opinion polls drive policy then I can’t help you.
There is no way politicians will reintroduce mass lockdowns given how strongly the public now opposes them.
I’m happy to take this debate to the relevant thread and hear why you think our civilization is fragile.

 

[sr36]

I do understand your point but you spoiled it with the statement that Covid is over.

Not by a long chalk it isn't

It's over, even though covid will always be sround. There's now enough immunity in the community that life will just go on.

 

[gouki88]

If you don’t think public opinion polls drive policy then I can’t help you.
There is no way politicians will reintroduce mass lockdowns given how strongly the public now opposes them.
I’m happy to take this debate to the relevant thread and hear why you think our civilization is fragile.

Please do not encourage any more of his pontificating!

 

[The Phantom]

Not sure politicians will be prepared to commit political suicide with more lockdowns.

Not until after this year’s elections anyway

 

[Mollythedolly]

I’d say it helps. Few more like today and the doubters start to look foolish

Nah, not really. Doubts are based on some fairly obvious deficiencies in his game. They didn’t disappear yesterday, they just weren’t tested.

 

[Heater3923]

Can’t agree here unfortunately.

Grundy has pulled a Travis Cloke on us (so far) and completely lowered his quality/output since bending us over a barrel for a deal, that had we not done it, could have:

• Kept Treloar at the Club
• Kept Stephenson at the club
• Got us the number 1 pick from Adeaide
• Got us O’Reilly from Adelaide

You telling me that right now you wouldn’t take all of the above for Grundy?

I certainly would

In comparison to Grundys output since 2020 - I’d say his first two games in 2022 have been above his average output.

It’s almost like people expect him to have stat lines like 60 hit outs, 30 possessions and 4 goals a game. Max gawn has hardly set the world on fire this year either.

It ain’t Grundys fault Collingwood (Eddie and Co) paid so much for him and blew our salary cap to kingdom come for the next 2-3 years. It ain’t Grundys fault our former Admin chose a list management strategy that would end up seeing the club implode by mismanaging the off loading Treloar and Stephenson.

There is no way Adelaide would have given us O’Reilly for him. O’Reilly came of age in 2019, and followed up in 2020, and was cheap as chips so any chance of a deal for Grundy (when they themselves would have had to pay top dollar) just wouldn’t happen.

While a round 1 pick and O’Rielly may well seem like amazing value… the fact is that’s a complete fantasy.

In reality, Grundy was a restricted free agent. Which means Adelaide or any other club could have offered him say 10 years for $900k a year - if we don’t match it we lose him to that other club.

If we let Grundy walk as a RFA, the best we would have got for him walking would have been a compensation pick allocated by the AFL at the end of round 1 of the draft.

Adelaide or any other club that sign a RFA don’t need to trade picks or players to us. They just offer more money. So this idea we’d get O’Reilly or simply a good return for Grundy is not accurate.

In his first two games of the year - O’Rielly is not setting the world on fire. Statistically it’s his worst year since before 2019. Brodie has improved on his previous years output - but obviously not near his absolute peak. He does certainly appear more “invested” in the game and with his teammates though which is a huge positive.

While I do agree we had to pay overs for Grundy, I certainly don’t blame him for out strategising out previous Admin who seemed hell bent on leveraging our long term sustainability for short term success and winning a flag at all costs to justify the albatross around our neck that was the MM-NB succession plan.

Now, if a team shows interest in Grundy at the end of the season - then yeah I’d consider that trade.

But let’s face it, again because of the previous Admins decisions, no club will take Grundys contract on. We’d have to pay half his salary and might get lucky enough to get 2 x 2nd round picks in return.

Only person or people you should be angry about the Grundy deal is the previous president (… thanks Ed), board and General Manager of Football that approved the contract offer.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Continual Bleeting and whinging from supporters or team mates changes nothing.
Some day the penny will drop for you and others.

It's alright for you to say. I am supposed to be, and at one stage actually seemed to be, TheGreatGrundy. I want my username to regain its original glory, and for my posts to glow with pride at the million dollar effort and play to which we are treated week after week by this former Colossus of the contest. I hope to see the man once again diving and crawling after the ball at clearances, firing off handballs as he is ridden into the ground by his trailing opponent.

And pennies are unlikely to drop since they were removed from circulation in 1992.

 

[Magnanimous]

Lot of junk possessions. Decent game but lot of their mids got junk possies as we allowed uncontested. Adel played slow like we used to. Sidey had 19 but I’d argue had more impact

Good call, it was like playing our old style.
Think we’re heading in the right direction with some promising cattle.

Hopefully we can develop a few gears throughout the year.


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[Doc1763]

In comparison to Grundys output since 2020 - I’d say his first two games in 2022 have been above his average output.

It’s almost like people expect him to have stat lines like 60 hit outs, 30 possessions and 4 goals a game. Max gawn has hardly set the world on fire this year either.

It ain’t Grundys fault Collingwood (Eddie and Co) paid so much for him and blew our salary cap to kingdom come for the next 2-3 years. It ain’t Grundys fault our former Admin chose a list management strategy that would end up seeing the club implode by mismanaging the off loading Treloar and Stephenson.

There is no way Adelaide would have given us O’Reilly for him. O’Reilly came of age in 2019, and followed up in 2020, and was cheap as chips so any chance of a deal for Grundy (when they themselves would have had to pay top dollar) just wouldn’t happen.

While a round 1 pick and O’Rielly may well seem like amazing value… the fact is that’s a complete fantasy.

In reality, Grundy was a restricted free agent. Which means Adelaide or any other club could have offered him say 10 years for $900k a year - if we don’t match it we lose him to that other club.

If we let Grundy walk as a RFA, the best we would have got for him walking would have been a compensation pick allocated by the AFL at the end of round 1 of the draft.

Adelaide or any other club that sign a RFA don’t need to trade picks or players to us. They just offer more money. So this idea we’d get O’Reilly or simply a good return for Grundy is not accurate.

In his first two games of the year - O’Rielly is not setting the world on fire. Statistically it’s his worst year since before 2019. Brodie has improved on his previous years output - but obviously not near his absolute peak. He does certainly appear more “invested” in the game and with his teammates though which is a huge positive.

While I do agree we had to pay overs for Grundy, I certainly don’t blame him for out strategising out previous Admin who seemed hell bent on leveraging our long term sustainability for short term success and winning a flag at all costs to justify the albatross around our neck that was the MM-NB succession plan.

Now, if a team shows interest in Grundy at the end of the season - then yeah I’d consider that trade.

But let’s face it, again because of the previous Admins decisions, no club will take Grundys contract on. We’d have to pay half his salary and might get lucky enough to get 2 x 2nd round picks in return.

Only person or people you should be angry about the Grundy deal is the previous president (… thanks Ed), board and General Manager of Football that approved the contract offer.

So far, his 2022 stats are Elite - but not elite enough for some.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Keays works his arse off for them every week. He's a limited kick, but he is a benchmark for work rate and getting the pill. I think it's pretty disrespectful to be caning him as some are around here. He ran past a couple of our blokes more than once today to set up goals. 37 touches, 9 Marks and 28 Supercoach points clear of every other player on the ground. Finished 2nd in their B&F last season, only 3 votes behind Rory Laird who had a very good season.

Hmmm, not sure saying I’m not a fan is caning him…. but there you go.

 

[Mollythedolly]

You’re kidding yourself. If you could get the best deal possible from your employer for your work you’d take every cent. Grundy got a great deal for himself and the club were silly enough to pay it, I say we’ll done Broady. He does a great job as our ruckman, not worth $1 mill but make the money while you can. Take it up with whoever signed off on the deal.

Good thing he’s probably on well less than $1m then isn’t it. Funny how those with a bent against him (not suggesting you) generally opt for the $1m though isn’t it.

 

[sr36]

It's alright for you to say. I am supposed to be, and at one stage actually seemed to be, TheGreatGrundy. I want my username to regain its original glory, and for my posts to glow with pride at the million dollar effort and play to which we are treated week after week by this former Colossus of the contest. I hope to see the man once again diving and crawling after the ball at clearances, firing off handballs as he is ridden into the ground by his trailing opponent.

And pennies are unlikely to drop since they were removed from circulation in 1992.

Yeah he's no longer playing like an extra inside mid. That's the difference between then and now.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I daresay he wants to be proven right.

Keep repeating it long enough and eventually it’ll come to pass.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Maybe but it changes expectations of players. You can't play out your career being paid a million a year at the level of a player earning half your salary without expecting to cop a bit of flak.

Hasn’t changed my expectations of him. I still think he can be the best ruckman in the game. Not quite at that level thus far in 2022 but he’s been nowhere near as bad as some suggest.

 

[slugger01]

…And pennies are unlikely to drop since they were removed from circulation in 1992.

(Common) Cents were removed from circulation around 1992.
Pennies haven’t been around since 1966.

 

[golazo]

Can’t agree here unfortunately.

Grundy has pulled a Travis Cloke on us (so far) and completely lowered his quality/output since bending us over a barrel for a deal, that had we not done it, could have:

• Kept Treloar at the Club
• Kept Stephenson at the club
• Got us the number 1 pick from Adeaide
• Got us O’Reilly from Adelaide

You telling me that right now you wouldn’t take all of the above for Grundy?

I certainly would

Again, that was the club’s doing. He simply accepted the offer. We can only hope he recaptures some form, because barring him wanting to go home, he’s going to be here for a long time

The silver lining of all this is that it got Ned Guy out of the club

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

(Common) Cents were removed from circulation around 1992.
Pennies haven’t been around since 1966.

When I googled it, I thought it seemed a bit late! Makes them even less likely to drop.

 

[Gabbo64]

It's over, even though covid will always be sround. There's now enough immunity in the community that life will just go on.

Immunity in the community? Are you saying that with impunity or just creating disunity?

 

[TradeDraft]

In comparison to Grundys output since 2020 - I’d say his first two games in 2022 have been above his average output.

It’s almost like people expect him to have stat lines like 60 hit outs, 30 possessions and 4 goals a game. Max gawn has hardly set the world on fire this year either.

It ain’t Grundys fault Collingwood (Eddie and Co) paid so much for him and blew our salary cap to kingdom come for the next 2-3 years. It ain’t Grundys fault our former Admin chose a list management strategy that would end up seeing the club implode by mismanaging the off loading Treloar and Stephenson.

There is no way Adelaide would have given us O’Reilly for him. O’Reilly came of age in 2019, and followed up in 2020, and was cheap as chips so any chance of a deal for Grundy (when they themselves would have had to pay top dollar) just wouldn’t happen.

While a round 1 pick and O’Rielly may well seem like amazing value… the fact is that’s a complete fantasy.

In reality, Grundy was a restricted free agent. Which means Adelaide or any other club could have offered him say 10 years for $900k a year - if we don’t match it we lose him to that other club.

If we let Grundy walk as a RFA, the best we would have got for him walking would have been a compensation pick allocated by the AFL at the end of round 1 of the draft.

Adelaide or any other club that sign a RFA don’t need to trade picks or players to us. They just offer more money. So this idea we’d get O’Reilly or simply a good return for Grundy is not accurate.

In his first two games of the year - O’Rielly is not setting the world on fire. Statistically it’s his worst year since before 2019. Brodie has improved on his previous years output - but obviously not near his absolute peak. He does certainly appear more “invested” in the game and with his teammates though which is a huge positive.

While I do agree we had to pay overs for Grundy, I certainly don’t blame him for out strategising out previous Admin who seemed hell bent on leveraging our long term sustainability for short term success and winning a flag at all costs to justify the albatross around our neck that was the MM-NB succession plan.

Now, if a team shows interest in Grundy at the end of the season - then yeah I’d consider that trade.

But let’s face it, again because of the previous Admins decisions, no club will take Grundys contract on. We’d have to pay half his salary and might get lucky enough to get 2 x 2nd round picks in return.

Only person or people you should be angry about the Grundy deal is the previous president (… thanks Ed), board and General Manager of Football that approved the contract offer.

Spot On.

Don't Blame Grundy as he did what anyone else did.

Blame Eddie/Guy for Offering so much so Quickly

 

[Magpie_96]

Are any of our young guys this week a chance for a Rising star Nom?

 

[TradeDraft]

Are any of our young guys this week a chance for a Rising star Nom?

Ginnivan?

 

[domin8tors]

Exciting journey we are on. We have a nice balance of experience and youth.

Imo this is far better than going pure youth, getting smashed and expecting the switch to flick at some stage.

And I think baring injuries we can sneak into the 8 if the kids keep playing at a decent standard. Our core group of pendles, Grundy, Adams,sidebotom, Elliott,Howe,Moore, Maynard crisp, Dagoey, and roughhead .. maybe missed a couple are priemership players and Grand final partipants. Throw in some quality kids and minimal injuries and who knows

 

[domin8tors]

So far, his 2022 stats are Elite - but not elite enough for some.

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This site is not evidence driven take this rubbish down lol

 

[No SPIN]

And I think baring injuries we can sneak into the 8 if the kids keep playing at a decent standard. Our core group of pendles, Grundy, Adams,sidebotom, Elliott,Howe,Moore, Maynard crisp, Dagoey, and roughhead .. maybe missed a couple are priemership players and Grand final partipants. Throw in some quality kids and minimal injuries and who knows

Kids will tire so rotating them will be key IMO. Agree core groups is good.

 

[Pie eyed]

Great to see Sidey hitting some fine form.