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Do we get the best young ruckman in the draft (4-5 years to develop, maybe more)

OR

Swap for a 20-21 year old 'developed' ruckman [ie. Meesan] who will be ready in 1-2-3 years?

Do we want a Premiership in 4-5-6 years? Or in the next 2-3?
 
With an aging list it may be time to throw everything at the next 2 years. Give up your first 2 picks for Everitt and Aker and hope you can win a flag.
 
Jack-Packenham said:
With an aging list it may be time to throw everything at the next 2 years. Give up your first 2 picks for Everitt and Aker and hope you can win a flag.
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Over the majority of bodies of Collingwood supporters would we want a has-been such as Everitt. Definitely Aker, but we want a ruckman over the age of 20 but under the age of 25. Our next 5 to 10 years will be big and we need the best for those years.
 

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PieLebo87 said:
Over the majority of bodies of Collingwood supporters would we want a has-been such as Everitt. Definitely Aker, but we want a ruckman over the age of 20 but under the age of 25. Our next 5 to 10 years will be big and we need the best for those years.
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Hope you finish under Bulldogs and St Kilda and draft Leuenberger. If not trade your first pick or Chris Tarrant for Meesen. However it may be too late for Buckley and Rocca if you wait for these guys to develop.
 
Jack-Packenham said:
Hope you finish under Bulldogs and St Kilda and draft Leuenberger. If not trade your first pick or Chris Tarrant for Meesen. However it may be too late for Buckley and Rocca if you wait for these guys to develop.
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Thats why theres a hope that maybe Meesen can be a Jolly-type player if we get him. A Leuenberger is such a long prospect and it is never even a certain that the players picked will definitely be star ruckmen. I guess Meesen is the best option, but who knows, anything can come up within the next few months.
We just gotta decide whats the best option, ready-made ruckman or draft pick ruckman....
 
PieLebo87 said:
Thats why theres a hope that maybe Meesen can be a Jolly-type player if we get him. A Leuenberger is such a long prospect and it is never even a certain that the players picked will definitely be star ruckmen. I guess Meesen is the best option, but who knows, anything can come up within the next few months.
We just gotta decide whats the best option, ready-made ruckman or draft pick ruckman....
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Is Meesen really a 'ready-made' ruckman? As I understand there would still be an element of risk in drafting Meesen as he's showed promise but he still has a lot of developing to do before he can cut it at AFL level.

Don't give up too much for Meesen. I'd rather take a punt in the draft than give up the world for a guy that may or may not work out.
 
Hadders said:
Is Meesen really a 'ready-made' ruckman? As I understand there would still be an element of risk in drafting Meesen as he's showed promise but he still has a lot of developing to do before he can cut it at AFL level.

Don't give up too much for Meesen. I'd rather take a punt in the draft than give up the world for a guy that may or may not work out.
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Whatevers the safer bet I guess. I see Meesen as a safer bet, if this Le********** guy is such a good prospect ruckman, you'd think he would be picked up in the top 10. How old is Meesen anyway? What has he done so far in Adelaide? (Keep in mine they have Clarke, Biglands ect.)
 
I would rather go for Biglands than Meesen. It is just too hard to know with ruckmen. A player I would go after heavily is Robby Campbell as he can play back and in the ruck. But with Everitt looking to leave they won't give him up and even if they did we would pay way over the odds.
 
PieLebo87 said:
if this Le********** guy is such a good prospect ruckman, you'd think he would be picked up in the top 10.
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The reports are that this draft is one of the best ever and every player in the top 20 would make last years top 10 (last year was deep but didn't have alot of certain top 10 picks). Add to that teams don't like spending their first pick on a ruckman.
 
PieLebo87 said:
Whatevers the safer bet I guess. I see Meesen as a safer bet, if this Le********** guy is such a good prospect ruckman, you'd think he would be picked up in the top 10. How old is Meesen anyway? What has he done so far in Adelaide? (Keep in mine they have Clarke, Biglands ect.)
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Meesen was drafted no.8 in the 2004 national draft. So this is hes second season. Has Clarke, HUdson, Biglands and Maric to compete with at the crows.
 
Jack-Packenham said:
With an aging list it may be time to throw everything at the next 2 years. Give up your first 2 picks for Everitt and Aker and hope you can win a flag.
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I would take them but it’s all about price. At their age if someone is prepared to give up first and second round picks then good luck to them. 3 years ago no problem but not now. As far as Aka is concerned Brisbane need to find a club to pick up his salary. We should have the cap room so that might put us in the running for a cheap trade. Everitt would probably go for more than his worth. I have my doubts that he ahs much left in the tank. He is a classy tap ruckman at his best but I haven’t seen much of it for a fair while. Josh has given him a few touch ups which is a concern.
 

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We need a developed ruckman who can step in straight away. Cam Cloke isn't the best ruckman, or player for that matter and is on a rope. Walker is a part-timer but will definately be delisted, same things go for Hall. Richards can maintain a ruck spot because he is developed, but has a curse and looks like he may go aswell depending if it is an allout system this year.

We need a back up ruckman who can come off the bench and be capable of slotting into a best 22 spot.
 
Lonie_from_50 said:
We need a developed ruckman who can step in straight away. Cam Cloke isn't the best ruckman, or player for that matter and is on a rope. Walker is a part-timer but will definately be delisted, same things go for Hall. Richards can maintain a ruck spot because he is developed, but has a curse and looks like he may go aswell depending if it is an allout system this year.

We need a back up ruckman who can come off the bench and be capable of slotting into a best 22 spot.
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But no club is going to offer up a promising young ruckman just because we need one.
They will want quality in return.

Which quality (not some second stringer) are you prepared to trade?
It will need to be someone from our best 22 - makes it harder, doesn't it?
 
Gotta go for a more mature Ruckman rather than selecting one in the national draft.

I know we have had way too many West Coast rejects but would a 27 year old Michael Gardiner be worth a shot??

I know he has had a chequered past off the field in recent times( Would fit in like a GLOVE @ Lexus Centre then :D ) & had injury worries but is he a chance,providing Eagles dont want too much for him?

I saw him play his first game back for Claremont in the WAFL a fortnight ago & he kicked 7 goals,was on fire!!

Maybe a 2nd round Pick may get him....
 
Didn't exactly intend on trading for a ruckman Murray, because I know how valuable ruckman are to sides and trading week. That extra value for even a Fanning can be seen a mile away for sure. I was thinking, we can quite possibly draft an experienced ruckman in a non-AFL competition, ie SANFL, VFL, WAFL etc. rather than a young gun ruckman. Then again, it is quite possible we can draft a new ruckman, however, if it a major problem, then a 18 year old undeveloped ruckman isn't a quality choice when we need him straight away...Then again, i don't think it is CRITICAL, yet it all depends on the delisting situation. If a Richards is retained, it is unlikely a young star ruckman will be chosen with a first round, considering Josh and Guy still have years.
 

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They got pick 14, or 16 I think.
 
Gardiner. Will be cheap. Has still got 'it' and can perform now. Plus we need a crash and bash ruckman who can soften the opposition for Fraser.
 
DJ Black @ White Blood said:
what about spider everett in the black and white stripes, i know we will only get a couple of years out of him but it buys us time. Hes not guarenteed sydney yet and wont be around the Hawks next year and hes cheap
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I dont think his body will even make it through next year let alone a couple seasons.
 

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