Rumour File #8.

[Blue and Silver]

Hooker for Toy has been doing the rounds for most of the year.

Personally I reckon that it's just a common search term on the internet.

I'll leave now

 

[Salaryman]

Personally I reckon that it's just a common search term in HBF's history file

I'll leave now

Fixeded

 

[parrot]

Essendon have a bottom-4 midfield, and that's being generous. Over-achieving in 2011 was probably the worst thing that could have happened to them re. their draft position. Lots of holes in that list.

 

[PooMonkey]

Whatever for?

Cmon now...
How good has this rumor thread been for this board.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

so u dont know much about lilse yet you rekon austin is the same value as him?

Well the reason I don't know much is because he's played what about 4 games?

He would be close to getting delisted anyway much like Austin but no way is he worth a player the quality of Bower.

the reason he hasnt been gettin game time is because of buddy and roughead/hale being infront of him atm in the forward line. and shoenmakers and gibson being infront in the backline. Hes still only young, and is similar to roughead in body size/contested marking ability.

So how does Gunston get in then? Roughead was out for half the season and still he couldn't get in, in fact the Hawks had a bit of a crisis with their big men this year and he hardly played still (maybe he was injured too?). If he wasn't injured then that says a lot about how much they rate him. Then they specifically go out and get a guy to help out Franklin in the forward line.

I think he would be a good get for us as he is a big body, and can break packs open and bring the bal to ground. Hes a good contested mark aswel which we really need. I think Bower for Lilse straight swap would be fair.

He probably would be a good get, but he is not worth Bower. His shot for goal is dismal. What's the point in taking a mark if you can't kick? Austin is a much fairer swap. He's a guy in similar circumstances at his club and has the size to hold down a defensive post, something that the Hawks would be looking for.

 

[Silvagnis]

What was the knock on Podsiadly who didn't get a go until last year?

Lisle is a 20/21 year old, so he's possibly worth more than Bower. A third year player and genuine KP size as opposed to Bower's sixth season and third tall position. Lisle reportedly played well on Dawes this year. Also kicked 27 goals in the VFL this year. They would never take Austin for Lisle.

Gunston can play Andrew Walker's position alongside Franklin, Hale and Roughead.

Lisle isn't quick enough to play this position.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

C'mon,

On one hand Bower has been held back by injuries but when in form has shown close to all-australian form.

On the other hand, Lisle has been in a team who who have been desparately crying out for talls yet could not get a proper gig. Clarkson only likes tough hard players with skill. My guess is Lisle is soft as butter with a weak personality. Some talls just get to swan through because they are tall.

Bower worth a lot more if he overcomes injuries. Only thing on Lisles side is age...and age isnt enough.

 

[Feva25]

C'mon,

On one hand Bower has been held back by injuries but when in form has shown close to all-australian form.

On the other hand, Lisle has been in a team who who have been desparately crying out for talls yet could not get a proper gig. Clarkson only likes tough hard players with skill. My guess is Lisle is soft as butter with a weak personality. Some talls just get to swan through because they are tall.

Bower worth a lot more if he overcomes injuries. Only thing on Lisles side is age...and age isnt enough.

hahahahahaha good one mate

 

[Silvagnis]

hahahahahaha good one mate

That's the only thing that's wrong with his post?

Bower was in great form before injuries cut him down.

 

[Tom Blue]

hahahahahaha good one mate

In 2009 I believe it was, Bower was playing some very good footy and alot of people were saying he was on his way to AA.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

What was the knock on Podsiadly who didn't get a go until last year?

Lisle is a 20/21 year old, so he's possibly worth more than Bower. A third year player and genuine KP size as opposed to Bower's sixth season and third tall position. Lisle reportedly played well on Dawes this year. Also kicked 27 goals in the VFL this year. They would never take Austin for Lisle.

Gunston can play Andrew Walker's position alongside Franklin, Hale and Roughead.

Lisle isn't quick enough to play this position.

OK well that at least explains to me why they'd go for Gunston.

But still don't think Lisle is worth Bower. I don't give a shit how many goals he kicked in the VFL, if he couldn't even get into the team with most of their big options injured then he must have some serious flaws. He looks on the cusp of being delisted by them.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

hahahahahaha good one mate

History shows on this forum that if you have Fev in your name, you're ignorant in all things football

 

[blue gunslinger]

History shows on this forum that if you have Fev in your name, you're ignorant in all things football

all true fev fans burnt their memberships at the protest
these types are bandwagoners or fev himself

 

[Dramoth]

Maybe so, but it does not impact on Bower or O'hAilpin. Their reasons for wanting to leave have nothing to do with available spots on our list.

If we were able to delist McLean, we could open up another draft pick perhaps, at around 66. Frankly McLean might be providing more in terms of VFL development for some players in that he dominates at that level and sets the example. He might actually be helping us down there.

The reasons we got McLean were sound. Many neutrals actually lauded the decision at the time and the proof in in the BF archives. I don't see the point in us whinging every time he gets injured, whinging every time he gets a game but doesn't perform, whinging every trade period, until he is cut loose. Form an opinion, recognise it for what it is, but accept it. It can't be changed. Complaining achieves NOTHING.

Hell, every club drafts a dud here and there, or trades for one, or signs an outlandish contract in hindsight.

We got him for the right reason, he had shown very good form previously and had been rated. We needed a 3 year deal to lure him from his club (as it customary in these cases). This one didn't work.

If we are going to bake the club for not being perfect and remind them of it, even when they have been getting a lot right, are we supporters open to the same criticisms? Are we the perfect supporters? Are we helping our team by continuously complaining about something that can't be changed?

People whinge that the club wasted pick 11 on Brock. They seem to have forgotten that complete dud... I really mean DUD that the Dawks wasted pick 6 on a few years back.

 

[NAUGHT5]

People whinge that the club wasted pick 11 on Brock. They seem to have forgotten that complete dud... I really mean DUD that the Dawks wasted pick 6 on a few years back.

The only thing is that we dont give a **** what Hawthorn have done. Or any club for that matter. FWIW I think the Brock deal was the right move at the time. You win some you lose some. But justifying it by saying other clubs have stuffed up too means 0.

 

[Dramoth]

The only thing is that we dont give a **** what Hawthorn have done. Or any club for that matter. FWIW I think the Brock deal was the right move at the time. You win some you lose some. But justifying it by saying other clubs have stuffed up too means 0.

As you said... it seemed like the best thing since sliced bread at the time. All I was doing was pointing out that the club is just like the rest... They make bad decisions in hindsight.

What I am saying is that too many people think that we are the only club to have screwed up a trade or a draft selection in recent times.

 

[I LOVE THE CFC]

Rumour thread!!!

 

[mac25]

As you said... it seemed like the best thing since sliced bread at the time. All I was doing was pointing out that the club is just like the rest... They make bad decisions in hindsight.

What I am saying is that too many people think that we are the only club to have screwed up a trade or a draft selection in recent times.

It wasn't so much the decision to get Mclean, the theory was fine but MOST people at the time knew we had grossly overpaid for him, a first round pick in a strong draft was crazy, we played Melbourne second last game that season and Mclean looked so far from the player he was and for a significant time leading up to us drafting him, it has cost us sigificantly in our push to take this team to the next level, we are still two players short of being a premiership challenger to the top 3 sides and no question this decision is proving very costly, and it is not just hindsight, as except for some blind faithful the majority at the time knew this was a bad decision.

 

[Pafloyul]

...FWIW I think the Brock deal was the right move at the time...

No, it wasn't.

To keep this on topic, there is a rumour going around that there are other people who still think like NAUGHTS.

 

[brazilblue]

More than 95% of posters thought it was a good deal at the time, it looked like he was going to fill a massive hole! I was one of those 95% and am not ashamed to admit it.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but in all honesty if you were one of the rare people who thought it was a stupid trade at the time I suggest you go apply for a job in recruiting ... YOU ROCK

Cannot believe all the people switching sides on this trade and saying it was a bad idea ... I would bet my left one that there is a bit of BS floating around every time i read a post like that!

 

[Pafloyul]

more than 95% of posters thought it was a good deal at the time, it looked like he was going to fill a massive hole! I was one of those 95% and am not ashamed to admit it.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but in all honesty if you were one of the rare people who thought it was a stupid trade at the time i suggest you go apply for a job in recruiting ... You rock

Cannot believe all the people switching sides on this trade and saying it was a bad idea ... I would bet my left one that there is a bit of bs floating around every time i read a post like that!

I rock!!!

Just to clarify, I disagree with roughly 90% of any trade that involves trading away a first round draft pick (with the percentage going down with each subsequent round). However, a lot of people are more likely the type to trust a club's judgement whether deep down they think a decision is a sound one or not.

 

[NAUGHT5]

No, it wasn't.

To keep this on topic, there is a rumour going around that there are other people who still think like NAUGHTS.

It's still a hole in our list. Injury free Brock would have been an amazing pick up. Better than Ellard, Curnow etc.

 

[MrJimmy]

It's still a hole in our list. Injury free Brock would have been an amazing pick up. Better than Ellard, Curnow etc.

Unfortunatly he's been injury free most of the year and dominating the VFL, so we can't use that as an excuse although he did miss most of the pre season and from that point your gonna be on the back foot. A McLean with another gear is what we need.

Anyway, this is the rumour thread so back to it....

 

[Big Red is back]

More than 95% of posters thought it was a good deal at the time, it looked like he was going to fill a massive hole! I was one of those 95% and am not ashamed to admit it.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but in all honesty if you were one of the rare people who thought it was a stupid trade at the time I suggest you go apply for a job in recruiting ... YOU ROCK

Cannot believe all the people switching sides on this trade and saying it was a bad idea ... I would bet my left one that there is a bit of BS floating around every time i read a post like that!

Absolute crap... He was jeered in his first practice game as everyone knows we paid overs. Ball went to pies for mid second rounder who was and is a better player.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Cmon now...
How good has this rumor thread been for this board.

Vague.

I opted to start a Rumour File, and I did refer to one of your rumours in the first post as an example, along with another rumour, but I wouldn't say you were the catalyst.

We often come up with ways of managing similar post types so they don't clog up the main board, but that wasn't necessarily borne out of your physio rumour.