Ryan Crowley

[Pusswah]

Brady Rawlings:
Games: 245
Disposals: 4344 (avg 17.7)
Marks: 885 (avg 3.6)
Goals: 62 (avg 0.25)

Ryan Crowley:
Games: 162
Disposals: 2337 (avg 14.4)
Marks: (avg 3.9)
Goals: 106 (avg 0.65)

[source: footywire]

I think the above stats beg. As I mentioned previously, Crowley (for a tagger) has always been a goalkicker and one that can hurt you offensively. Those that have watched him play throughout his career would realise that.

I actually think the last 2 years he has become more defensive focus, whilst establishing himself as clearly the best stopper in the AFL. Last year he won the Freo B&F. But, he has still average a goal every two games which for any midfielder is not a bad effort.

hahahaha maybe Crowley should give more offensively

wp wp

 

[maryjames]

Crowley swings both ways.

 

[maryjames]

Terrible sportsmanship by some of the Geelong boys.

Watch out if cats play them in the GF.. Prediction. Pain.

 

[Pusswah]

Watch out if cats play them in the GF.. Prediction. Pain.

Noone's scared of your faux tough ponces.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Jack Dyer use to say 6-8 weeks (suspension) and a flag is worth it

Whoever Fremantle play in the grand final -and its most likely Hawthorn - should instruct one of their players - say Whitecross Hodge or Birchall - 1st 10 minutes - get a 30 or 40 metre run up - and crunch - and Mitchell wont have to cop what Harvey and Johnson have copped

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Jack Dyer use to say 6-8 weeks (suspension) and a flag is worth it

Whoever Fremantle play in the grand final -and its most likely Hawthorn - should instruct one of their players - say Whitecross Hodge or Birchall - 1st 10 minutes - get a 30 or 40 metre run up - and crunch - and Mitchell wont have to cop what Harvey and Johnson have copped

 

[Engimal]

I personally don't agree with his tactics as a tagger but there's no denying that he gets the job done.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Brady Rawlings:
Games: 245
Disposals: 4344 (avg 17.7)
Marks: 885 (avg 3.6)
Goals: 62 (avg 0.25)

Ryan Crowley:
Games: 162
Disposals: 2337 (avg 14.4)
Marks: (avg 3.9)
Goals: 106 (avg 0.65)

[source: footywire]

You're right, stats dont factor everything in.

1. Firstly, Rawlings was anchored to the bench in his first 4 years under Pagan, and that's when bench players didnt play much. Under Laidley when he got a chance to play he averaged nearly 22 possessions a game in the last 9 years of his career.

2. These raw numbers dont even factor in the relative possessions are accumulated now than in a lot of the years Rawlings play.

Before posting misleading statistical data, please take care to provide a proper context in which to analyse them, as I have done.

 

[Speck]

Jack Dyer use to say 6-8 weeks (suspension) and a flag is worth it

Whoever Fremantle play in the grand final -and its most likely Hawthorn - should instruct one of their players - say Whitecross Hodge or Birchall - 1st 10 minutes - get a 30 or 40 metre run up - and crunch - and Mitchell wont have to cop what Harvey and Johnson have copped

Is it still double demerits in the Grand Final? Fairly sure they brought that in to stop that from happening.

 

[raffrox]

Jack Dyer use to say 6-8 weeks (suspension) and a flag is worth it

Whoever Fremantle play in the grand final -and its most likely Hawthorn - should instruct one of their players - say Whitecross Hodge or Birchall - 1st 10 minutes - get a 30 or 40 metre run up - and crunch - and Mitchell wont have to cop what Harvey and Johnson have copped

A contest you mean?

Crowley smashed you lot fair and square.

 

[Pusswah]

Jack Dyer use to say 6-8 weeks (suspension) and a flag is worth it

Whoever Fremantle play in the grand final -and its most likely Hawthorn - should instruct one of their players - say Whitecross Hodge or Birchall - 1st 10 minutes - get a 30 or 40 metre run up - and crunch - and Mitchell wont have to cop what Harvey and Johnson have copped

Or maybe they could work hard, win the ball and burn him the other way?


Nah, easier to break the rules (that Crowley is subject to also), or whinge and whine about him.


Go Port.

 

[raffrox]

You are incorrect.

No you are. How many finals did Brady Rawlings shut down an elite player in?

Kane Cornes, Cameron Ling and Brady Rawlings are far above him in that role. They could shut people down and get the ball and use it themselves. I still recall watching Rawlings get 39 touches while holding Stephen Hill to 5. They were footballers with a strong defensive focus. Crowley's sole purpose is to prevent someone else getting the ball. If he wasnt doing that role, he'd be a marginal VFL footballer.

How old was Hill when this happened? This is like saying anyone who played on Daniel Wells in his first 3 years is an elite tagger. Um, no.

Cornes and Ling deserve to be considered great taggers. Cornes and Ling I'd suggest are the generation before Crowley if you line up their 'in their prime' form.

 

[Such is life Ben]

You're right, stats dont factor everything in.

1. Firstly, Rawlings was anchored to the bench in his first 4 years under Pagan, and that's when bench players didnt play much. Under Laidley when he got a chance to play he averaged nearly 22 possessions a game in the last 9 years of his career.

2. These raw numbers dont even factor in the relative possessions are accumulated now than in a lot of the years Rawlings play.

Before posting misleading statistical data, please take care to provide a proper context in which to analyse them, as I have done.

Anchored to the bench, because he wasn't good enough to be in the best 18.

To be honest, the possessions were the secondary stat, the primary one was the goals because I know Crowley is not a defensive type tagger and always has been a goal kicker, able to hurt you the other way.

Brady Rawlings was a good player that played his role very well, similarly to Crowley. But to say they are in a different class I don't agree with and the stats support me.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

To be honest, the possessions were the secondary stat, the primary one was the goals because I know Crowley is not a defensive type tagger and always has been a goal kicker, able to hurt you the other way.

Teams pay no attention to him. I could kick goals.

What the stats don't show is that he also won Freo's B&F last year in a very good side which proves his value as a player. This year he will come close again. Don't worry, I realise Rawlings won a North B&F, in 2004 they finished 10th and he took it out.

Well actually Rawlings won 3, all in years in which we struggled.

This shows the different in values. Freo favours a stopper whose main focus os the man rather than the ball, we favour ball players such as Brent Harvey, Daniel Wells and Andrew Swallow.

Not to say one side has better values, but they are different.

Brady Rawlings was a good player that played his role very well, similarly to Crowley. But to say they are in a different class I don't agree with and the stats support me.

Rawlings could hurt a team by stopping his man and getting the ball. Crowley can do half that.

Crowley is an elite role player.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

How many finals did Brady Rawlings shut down an elite player in?

Excellent question.

Brady Rawlings held Luke Hodge to 8 possessions in the 2007 Semi-final.

He got 27 himself.

 

[Such is life Ben]

Teams pay no attention to him. I could kick goals.


Well actually Rawlings won 3, all in years in which we struggled.

This shows the different in values. Freo favours a stopper whose main focus os the man rather than the ball, we favour ball players such as Brent Harvey, Daniel Wells and Andrew Swallow.

Not to say one side has better values, but they are different.



Rawlings could hurt a team by stopping his man and getting the ball. Crowley can do half that.

Crowley is an elite role player.

If he won 3 how does that show you favour ball players? Doesn't make sense.

Well the stats show Rawlings averages slightly more possessions than Crowley but less goals and marks. The less goals is a key stat. Crowley hurts the opposition taggers the other way as well.

 

[raffrox]

Excellent question.

Brady Rawlings held Luke Hodge to 8 possessions in the 2007 Semi-final.

He got 27 himself.

He's still no Ryan Crowley.

 

[W.C. Fry]

I still recall watching Rawlings get 39 touches while holding Stephen Hill to 5.

Wow he shut down a 2nd year player who was getting a tag for the first time ever.

How about the game just a few weeks earlier where Crowley kicked 5 goals? Recall that one too?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

If he won 3 how does that show you favour ball players? Doesn't make sense.

He wont them in years which we struggled. Ball players were valued more when we played better.

Well the stats show Rawlings averages slightly more possessions than Crowley but less goals and marks. The less goals is a key stat. Crowley hurts the opposition taggers the other way as well.

Crowley has averaged over 15 twice in his career. Rawlings has been over 15 eight times in his career including six times over 19 possessions per game. Slightly more is not the expression that best fits.

Crowley doesnt hurt anyone going the other way. He is an elite stopper, nothing more.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

He's still no Ryan Crowley.

You're right, he got the ball aswell.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

How about the game just a few weeks earlier where Crowley kicked 5 goals? Recall that one too?

No I don't. It must have been some performance.

 

[Such is life Ben]

Excellent question.

Brady Rawlings held Luke Hodge to 8 possessions in the 2007 Semi-final.

He got 27 himself.

Wasn't Hodge carrying a knee injury in that game? Pretty sure if I remember correctly (please correct me if I am wrong) he hurt his knee the week before.

 

[Pusswah]

Teams pay no attention to him. I could kick goals.


Well actually Rawlings won 3, all in years in which we struggled.

This shows the different in values. Freo favours a stopper whose main focus os the man rather than the ball, we favour ball players such as Brent Harvey, Daniel Wells and Andrew Swallow.

Not to say one side has better values, but they are different.



Rawlings could hurt a team by stopping his man and getting the ball. Crowley can do half that.

Crowley is an elite role player.

lol no you couldn't. Stop smoking crack.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Wasn't Hodge carrying a knee injury in that game? Pretty sure if I remember correctly (please correct me if I am wrong) he hurt his knee the week before.

Yes, you are wrong.

 

[augnp]

I thought Carlton and Collingwood supporters were terrible but must say after reading all these posts for the past few weeks, all the sulking about grounds, umpiring and the sarcasm they dish out, Freo supporters are fast becoming the worst supporters in the land. Can't wait to see them get beat.