Sackings

[lou22]

Gone -

Bannister
Clarke
Macrath
Bowyer
Prendagast
Bentick
Chambers
Longmuir

Scotland ?
Deluca?

 

[Teagson]

Who should be gone:

Clarke
Longmuir
Chambers (Shocking selections both Longmuir and Chambers )
Morrell
Bowyer
Wiggins
Davies
Bannister

De Luca, McGrath, Sporn, Johnson, Scotland, Bentick, and Prendergast will stay IMHO. They might still be of some use.

 

[fevalenko]

agree with the players you think should be kept apart from Prenda and Sporn

 

[gandaal]

Gone -

Bannister
Clarke
Macrath
Bowyer
Prendagast
Bentick
Chambers
Longmuir

Scotland ?
Deluca?

Definates:
Clarke
Bannister
Bowyer
Morrell

Probables:
Prendergast
Norman
Wiggins
Sporn

Possibles:
Simpson
Davies
Deluca
Bentick

Longmiur and Chambers are on two year contracts so they can't be delisted unless we pay out their contracts.

 

[Teagson]

Longmiur and Chambers are on two year contracts so they can't be delisted unless we pay out their contracts.

But they're just so horrible!

agree with the players you think should be kept apart from Prenda and Sporn

Sporn would seem like such a wasted talent to me. I reckon he's still got some good football left in him.

Prendergast on the other hand is very versatile. Until we actually find a decent ruckman I think he'll be required.

 

[stokesy]

I'm hoping Morell can stay...

 

[gandaal]

Definates:
Clarke
Bannister
Bowyer
Morrell

Probables:
Prendergast
Norman
Wiggins
Sporn

Possibles:
Simpson
Davies
Deluca
Bentick

Oh and we're likely to delist 5-6 players so at least 6 of those players I've mentioned we'll survive.

If I was to choose I'd pick Simpson, Norman, Sporn, Simpson, Deluca, and Prendergast (as a backup).

 

[blues4flag]

I've lost patience with Prenda. His kicking is horrible, he's played ten games this year and has only gotten over 10 disposals on three occasions. At his age, he has no improvement left in him and the only reason we'll keep him is as a ruck in case another ruck get's injured although we do have French, Deluca and Bryan at the moment. Is Setanta a possible option as ruck? Because if he is, than I can't see any reason in keeping Prenda.

 

[Teagson]

I've lost patience with Prenda. His kicking is horrible, he's played ten games this year and has only gotten over 10 disposals on three occasions. At his age, he has no improvement left in him and the only reason we'll keep him is as a ruck in case another ruck get's injured although we do have French, Deluca and Bryan at the moment. Is Setanta a possible option as ruck? Because if he is, than I can't see any reason in keeping Prenda.

Good points. I agree, Prenda's kicking is abysmal.

I don't know really about Prenda now, although I was somewhat bemused to learn that he was in our leadership group.

I mean, French isn't going to hang around for too many seasons while I doubt Bryan and De Luca will improve much since they were both late draftees.

I guess it'll be one of the those tough decisions at the end of the season. There's no hope of him actually being traded, as half the blokes on our list wouldn't even get a look-in at other clubs.

 

[gandaal]

I mean, French isn't going to hang around for too many seasons while I doubt Bryan and De Luca will improve much since they were both late draftees.

Most ruckman take a long time to develop. Luck Darcy didn't come good until he was 27 and look at him now, he's considered one of the best ruckman going around.

Actually I've changed my mind. Sack Prenda.

 

[ECHUCABOY]

Basically guys we've got 10-15 blokes who rotate between the ones and twos and they all have pretty much the same impact when the play ones.

The coaching staff are ganna get rid of who they think can't help the team win games. To me it doesnt really matter which of these10-15 blokes go cos they all do the same thing when they play.

Clarke and Bowyer IMO are definites to go then u have blokes who all play the same role, McGrath, Sporn,Bannister, Davies, Wiggins,digby, prenda, longmuir, chambers etc. These blokes were OK while we were trying to plug holes, but now we will get descent draft picks its time to trade some of these 10-15.

I honestly believe cos these fringe players all have the same input, Carlton will put them all up for trade bait and see if any clubs want to take a bite. Depending on who clubs want we will then make deals, most probably for draft picks and not recycled players, THE NOVELTY HAS WARN OFF DENIS!

We will definetly rebuild next year and nobody knows which ones will go

 

[Go_Blueboyzzz]

sackings:
bowyer - not up to it
clarke - useless
davies - dikkhead
sporn - has nothing going for him, he is not fast, not hard at it, and not a great kick, SO WHAT IS HE!!!!(see ya later)
wiggins - same as sporn, forget it, as football is not your sport
prendergast - still learning how to hold the football at 24, its time to go
longmuire - cannot stand this bloke, he is ********.
MOrrell - i dont mind him, though I feel he has done his dash

should keep:
Bannister - I feel he could have another shot as he offers more than others, i am a little fan of his, though he is not the greatest of players.
norman - If he goes we are f****d...he is the CHB we are trying to blossom, put him in the team pagan...f**K

trade immediately:
whitnall - coz i am tired of his ********

possible trade:
houlihan - only if the write deal comes about...I admire this kid as he has stayed on and played through all the ******** times, did not turn his back on club, when he could have.

 

[skillsy_44]

I don't think anyone mentioned Brett Johnson, he gets a bit of the ball but his disposal is as bad as Prenda's. Carlton need to completely re-build instead of picking up players that can't get games at other clubs. Apart from Teague, i can't think of anyone who has actually been good value coming from another club.

 

[juzza316]

I don't think anyone mentioned Brett Johnson, he gets a bit of the ball but his disposal is as bad as Prenda's. Carlton need to completely re-build instead of picking up players that can't get games at other clubs. Apart from Teague, i can't think of anyone who has actually been good value coming from another club.

Wooh, back up a bit............no-one's disposal is anywhere near as bad as Prenda's!!!!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Let's look at this logically. We look like getting and probably using picks 1, 3, 19, 35, 51, 67. We will also use pick 1 in the PSD. That is 7 new players. We will elevate Setanta and a couple of the others will be retained for a second year on the rookie list.

That leaves 6 senior list players to be delisted. We will try and trade for picks and will probably offload one of our 2nd tier players for a 3 round pick or thereabouts (don't know who). We will want to use that pick, that means 7 players to be delisted.

Clarke is a certainty.
Wiggins looks likely but we are loathe to delist him because he cost us a decent pick.
Bannister likely as he is too one dimensional.
Bowyer likely but he is a Pagan style of player (a Makepeace transformation perhaps).
Norman is all but gone I believe or we would have played him again. Too many chances.
Davies and Prendergast are very shaky. I reckon we might get that pick for one of these guys.

The outright duds are not as obvious as they were a couple of years ago. Our depth has gone from sub VFL standard to somewhere between VFL and AFL standard.

 

[oaksy]

Going:
Prendagast
Wiggins
Clarke
Bowyer
Norman
Sporn

Maybe:
Davies
Morrell
De Luca
Johnson

Staying:
McGrath
Bentick
Simpson

Trade Bait:
Houlihan
Bannister
Scotland
Whitnall (maybe)

 

[Funkalicous]

Gone:
Clarke
Prendasaster (we've seen his best and it was nothing special)
Wiggins
Bannister
Deluca

Need to pick things up or will be gone:
Sporn (I'm shattered. What the hell happened this year?)
Bowyer
Davies
Longmuir
Johnson (overrated)

I would like to keep:
Norman (he's been injured and he's too talented to through away)
Bentick (hasn't been given a fair opportunity)
Morrell (solid utility)
Chambers (has pace and has copped injuries)

 

[surpstar]

All good points but I think that 1 person has been missed in all these threads.

And that is Dennis Pagan

He's had his chance.. it's time for him to move on.

I'm not happy because he hasn't shown enough anger after some of our recent absymal performances, our recent displays have been shocking

 

[master_of_puppets]

All good points but I think that 1 person has been missed in all these threads.

And that is Dennis Pagan

He's had his chance.. it's time for him to move on.

I'm not happy because he hasn't shown enough anger after some of our recent absymal performances, our recent displays have been shocking

If it was any other coach with that record he'd be out on his ear by now. The game has passesed this hack and it's time for him to step down for the good of the club. Fat chance that will happen, after all it is DENI$$$$ we are talking about.

For all you clowns who want to trade whit's , if this eventuates then the carlton football club will go backwards even further. Will be the biggest mistake we can make.

 

[Funkalicous]

For all you clowns who want to trade whit's , if this eventuates then the carlton football club will go backwards even further. Will be the biggest mistake we can make.

Why? Worst scenario is that we get nothing in return for him, in which case his output will be the same.

 

[XXX KINGS]

Why? Worst scenario is that we get nothing in return for him, in which case his output will be the same.

How can you say that?

Recently he has been one of our better players. You could put any other player in the league into his position at the moment and you'd get the same result. What is he meant to do if the ball isn't coming to him? He is a reliable kick at goal and a pretty good mark.

His leadership at the club is invaluable. He is like a general in the forward line and knows exactly how to position people. Our forward line has been pretty good this year when they get an opportunity and some passes from the midfield. When he is unable to mark the ball he always palms it off to the advantage of one of our players. He isn't athletically gifted but his brain makes up for it. I would honestly hope that he is made our next captain.

His trade value would not be great and if we were to trade him we'd basically get nothing in return. We could get maybe a late first round draft pick for him and pick up a Simon Wiggins or a Trent Sporn. It is a huge gamble. I know that I'd rather keep Whitnall. He has always been loyal to the club and when players were asked to take a pay cut he was the first to oblige. Next year he will be playing with a heavily reduced salary and with a better quality midfield it would be a huge advantage to us. I certainly hope that in a few years time when we have built a solid midfield you don't jump on his bandwagon and say how you never doubted him.

Carlton's priority should be building up a midfield and defence. That is where our problems lie. The forward line should be left alone for now.

 

[Junkie]

Clarke : Soft, cant kick and is a poor decision maker.
Prendergast: Hasn't improved in 3 or 4 years
Bowyer: Just a battler who tries hard. No value
Longmuir: Wasted pick, has shown he is an ordinary player over 6 seasons with the Freo.
Sporn/Wiggins : One has to go, both play similar games (prob take wiggins)
Simpson : Skinny little dud, should be wearing #56 not #6.

Try and trade:
Lance
Digby

 

[diggler7654]

DELIST-

Prendergast ( absolute joke- Hasnt done a thing since his 9 pointer in wizard cup GF- and not a thing ever before that)
Sporn
Clarke
Bowyer
Wiggins
Davies
( all five of these players are similar, small frames and very very ordinary)

KEEP-

Morrell (for the mean time- fill the odd gap- no trade value)
DeLuca
Johnson
McGrath
Bentick
Simpson
Norman
(see what these 5 can produce next year, if nothing, ship them out)

TRADE BAIT-

Houlihan (softish outside player, if value for him, take it)
Bannister (suspect keep as he wont be worth much, but put him out as bait)
Scotland (like Bannister, priceless in a negative way, but try)

KEEP LANCE WHITNALL
With a half decent midfield in the years to come and a matured forward structure he will be a very effective, SMART player to create opportunities up forward for the likes of the crumbing Betts. Remeber, he is still young and doing a pretty good job considering the state of the side atm.

 

[Da Shag On Fire]

sackings:
bowyer - not up to it
clarke - useless
davies - dikkhead
sporn - has nothing going for him, he is not fast, not hard at it, and not a great kick, SO WHAT IS HE!!!!(see ya later)
wiggins - same as sporn, forget it, as football is not your sport
prendergast - still learning how to hold the football at 24, its time to go
longmuire - cannot stand this bloke, he is ********.
MOrrell - i dont mind him, though I feel he has done his dash

should keep:
Bannister - I feel he could have another shot as he offers more than others, i am a little fan of his, though he is not the greatest of players.
norman - If he goes we are f****d...he is the CHB we are trying to blossom, put him in the team pagan...f**K

trade immediately:
whitnall - coz i am tired of his ********

possible trade:
houlihan - only if the write deal comes about...I admire this kid as he has stayed on and played through all the ******** times, did not turn his back on club, when he could have.

I am sick to death with Prenda also. You are spot on. He would have to be one of the worst kicks at our club. His parents should never had encouraged him to play football as a kid.

Whitnall is also a very viable trade option. Any thoughts on what you would expect for him? As the ladder stands now, who would you like to come to the Blues in the draft?

 

[bee dee]

Who has Pagan developed in his time at the club, which youg guy is stepping up? ( Dont include Walker early pick and should be good, but hasnt been great has he? ) Point is Pagan is not and never has been a devleoping coach. Guess you are stuck with him. How can young guys improve when with his game plan of just have a contest after contest which doesnt suit small under developed bodies, noone has picked up on this!! He will continue to play wise old tired bodies as thats the way he wants the game played. Where is Russell/Rosa/Blackwell/Hartlett surely they should be getting games into them forget the win loss record Pagan and play some kids. What about Simpson/Sporn/Wiggins/Davies/Prenda/Norman all going backward under his coaching, these guys should be coming through. Your club has huge concerns ahead of it when Kouta/Campo move on.