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This is not a troll. Just interested to know how it will all work out. I don't think Luke ball will be too happy with $200k pa when he could get $500k elsewhere. A lot of money to knock back from a young guy's point of view.

Saints face cap squeeze
By Jake Niall The AGE
September 22, 2004


The rapid rise of St Kilda and its emerging superstar Nick Riewoldt has forced it into a salary-cap squeeze, with both Riewoldt and the club's next most feted young star, Luke Ball, facing contract renegotiations.

Having risen to within a kick of a grand final, the Saints are confronting the type of salary-cap pressures that bedevilled the Brisbane Lions and Essendon before them. The club will meet the management of its two most prized youngsters this week, keen to follow the Lions' lead in emphasising team success over personal financial gain.

The Saints are facing a crucial next few days when they determine the shape of their list for 2005 - including the futures of veterans Andrew Thompson and Justin Peckett - and meet the management of Riewoldt and Ball to discuss new contracts. Robert Harvey is considered certain to play on in 2005.

The future of Heath Black, who sought to be traded to Fremantle last year for family reasons, is also likely to be determined at a meeting between his manager and St Kilda coach Grant Thomas.

Black, too, is out of contract, having been well remunerated since he crossed from Fremantle as an uncontracted signing in 2001.

While Riewoldt is contracted for 2005, he has a clause in his contract that allows him torenegotiate a new deal if he finishes in the top four in the club's best and fairest - placing greater pressure on the club's total player payments. As the AFL's leading mark-taker in 2004, Riewoldt is considered a probable best-and-fairest winner.

While the Saints believe they can retain their talented list without a significant loss, Thomas said yesterday they would have to be "very, very prudent" in contracting players.

"We don't have to push anyone out, as such, but we need to manage it very, very prudently," said Thomas, who is handling contract negotiations.

Ball, whom rival clubs are willing to pay in excess of $500,000 in the unlikely event that he left St Kilda, is understood to have been offered little more than $200,000 over the next two seasons - well below his market worth.

The renegotiations with Riewoldt and Ball could establish benchmarks for the remainder of the St Kilda list, especially the talented younger players.

Thomas confirmed that Riewoldt had the option of a renegotiation in his contract, but added that it was sensible for the club to look at extending his contract, regardless of the clause.

"It's always going to be difficult. You hope the players understand the balance between personal financial gain and team success," Thomas said, pointing out that Essendon and then Brisbane had been under pressure to retain players under the salary cap because of market forces. "I don't expect us to be any different," he said.

Thomas said players would be able to command more dollars at another club. "If they want to go for the best price, they'll get it at another club."

Thomas said he would be speaking to Black's manager, Ron Joseph, to "see if we can sort something out for next year".

The pressure on St Kilda to retain its list has been exacerbated by the substantial contracts to century goalkicker Fraser Gehrig, who came to the club on a long-term deal worth about $500,000 a season, and forward Aaron Hamill, whose enormous contract forced the club to give him an additional four years at the end of this year to lessen the burden.

The Saints managed to re-sign the 2002 No. 1 draft pick Brendon Goddard during the season.
 
it's something at all teams (particularly those with a heap of young guys) must work through. i would imagine that west coast will be feeling the pinch in the next couple of years.

ball won't be going anywhere but saint kilda have to offer more than 200k.
 
They are in all sorts of trouble. Gehrig was on a reported $500k a year and I can't see him wanting less after a Coleman. Hamill on a reported $400 to $500k a year for 5 years is not good either.

All of the players out of contract (except Gehrig) have more to offer the Aints over the next 5 years than Hamill. If he is the benchmark they are stuffed.
 

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The Saints will surely have to get rid of Xavier Carke or another fringe player like him so they can offer Luke Ball more money.
 
itsintheblood said:
I don't think Luke ball will be too happy with $200k pa when he could get $500k elsewhere. A lot of money to knock back from a young guy's point of view.

Some people are loyal to thier club.
 
itsintheblood said:
This is not a troll.

Saints face cap squeeze
By Jake Niall The AGE

Oh yes it is. The author of this article knows as much about the financial "pressures" at the Saints than you do. Just another dog Carlton supporter getting a dig a Hamill. Maybe as an investigative journalist he should have had a look at StKilda's TPP. Plenty of room for increase. Or maybe he could look at the troubles Carlton are having trying to negotiate player contracts down so they can attract some talent.

But since it so obvious to everyone we are going to have problems, I take it morongoth and others will be congratulating GT on a job well done once everyone is signed. Maybe I'll just wait for hell to freeze over.
:rolleyes:
 
itsintheblood said:
Loyalty goes out the window when you're talking $300k a year mate. Football is now a business and people want to set themselves up for life.


Really? we will see when he signs the dotted line.
 
yeah and next year JD? and the year after?

The other clubs are making sure you pay top dollar so that they limit your ability to move in coming years. They don't really care as long as you have to cough up to keep em.

Pay back is a bitch.
 
St Kilda have the makings of a premiership side... how they wouldn't love an extra $600,000 to keep their players huh. :rolleyes:

Luke Ball could get his extra $200,000
Hamill would only have to lose $100,000 and stay to win a flag rather than losing $200,000
Koschitzke can get an extra $100,000
Clarke/Goddard could get his extra $100,000

Then you can split up the other $300,000 on everyone else.... put it in a bonus fund where you get paid extra for playing well.... like the Brisbane Lions do :rolleyes:

This just further displays what an absolute rort the Brisbane/Sydney Salary Cap Concessions are.
 

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Pay back for the aints paying over the odds for out of contract players over the last 3 to 5 years.

TP I would agree with you if it was anyone other than the Aints.
 
morgoth said:
yeah and next year JD? and the year after?
Nothing in life is guaranteed but I doubt there'll be a huge problem. If the club falls down the ladder with a thud, I'd expect this might be a problem next year.

The other clubs are making sure you pay top dollar so that they limit your ability to move in coming years. They don't really care as long as you have to cough up to keep em.
How so? Clubs and managers aren't entirely stupid (well most anyway). If a club walks in with a serious $$$ that is way above market price, the club must also come up with a scenario where the player will go. Nick Stevens and Rawlings will have turned a lot of players off taking their chances.
 
JD all I can say is I heard months ago that certain clubs in Vic were gonna make sure the Aints paid up. Meetings with Goddard by the Pies, The Dons chasing Ball etc are just the tip of the iceberg.

I would expect my club to do everything in their power to make it hard.
 
morgoth said:
Pay back for the aints paying over the odds for out of contract players over the last 3 to 5 years.

TP I would agree with you if it was anyone other than the Aints.

I suppose Collingwood has never done this?? You idiot! Typical Collingwood supporter cant hack any other club having success other than there own.
 
Unlike some clubs we pretty much make sure everyone is signed up before year end. When players refuse to sign up during the year you know what is coming.

We have had one player do this in the last 3 years, Nick Davis.
 
morgoth, I'd prefer to be the club trying to keep them rather than the club trying to attract them.

Really, I don't give rats toss what you've heard - like the Goddard speculation. See funny thing is, despite Colingwoods offer he took StKilda's original offer and stayed. Guess money can't buy Colllingwood love.

Anyhow, I can tell you now, StKilda and Luke Ball have agreed to terms. Some finer tuning and expect a press conference soon. 7-10 days max. :D
 

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As I said I don't care but I bet you had to pay more than you wanted to, that is the point.
 
If any journos here want to talk up Luke Ball's price, fish out some stories about footballers that weren't on much money but scored a career-ending injury.
 
You do care morgoth or you wouldn't be posting in this thread.

It does give me a chuckle to read some of the crap posted on BF about player movements. Most are fantasyland. There are only two clubs that could possibly get one of StKilda's young guns this year, and they are the Tigers and the Hawks. Forget the bullddogs they'd be priced out. So any attempt by Collingwood or Essendon, just to name two that keep dropping these rumors, to jack up the asking price, is easily seen as tripe if they aren't naming players/picks. Some previous administrations at StKilda may have been that stupid - this one aint.
 
morgoth said:
As I said I don't care but I bet you had to pay more than you wanted to, that is the point.

obvious jealousy here. How would you know they paid more than they wanted to? you have no idea mate.
 

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