SALADA/VladFL: Slap on the wrist. - STRICTLY ESSENDON SUPPORTERS ONLY

[Dave]

Her status as an AFL mouthpiece was put on display during the Mifsud/Rendell saga.

Thing is, she doesn't often get things wrong. She's not always right, but she is right more often than wrong.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I suspect she's probably right about all those things, but is overstating their importance in the overall scheme of things.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Forget the emails, just ignore her. She's digging a big enough hole for herself as it is. Hopefully she sits front row at Hird's presser when he's free to reveal all. The Hangar should have a special camera in place, like a CaroCam .

 

[Andronicus]

For the sake of us all, I hope CaroCam is out of focus.

 

[TD_B52]

It would be like in the simpsons when they slow down to the exact point when ralphs heart breaks on the krusty special. Yeah.

 

[rines]

Enjoyed the read but had to lol at this. There is a greater chance of Fitzroy winning the flag this year than this happening

Didn't say it was likely... but I believe it to be true. And.. (I'm serious here) there is actually serious rumblings in the 'mob' that Caro actually does have a lot to lose on this.. she has put ALL her eggs, and the fairfax eggs, on the "EFC are the biggest cheats in history" basket and has ignored REPEATED urgings by AFL and other senior ppl in all this to "wait and show a little patience/restraint" etc before publishing.

I know all the media has jumped on this (as expected) but Caro has been vindictive, personally insulted and has gone 'the man' so to speak and not followed the story.

So not likely.. but stayed tuned. In a month's time she is going to have a choice between "Apology" or "AFL is to soft and went weak and its all a big conspiracy". Caro will want to go with option 2 but AFL is ALREADY warning her not to go down this path or implications of court action. Very interesting stuff indeed.

 

[dons72]

Does anyone know unequivocally if, hypothetically we get our points stripped next month, and then we appeal it in court, do we play finals pending the court case or does the AFL have the power and final say?

 

[cymarak]

Does anyone know unequivocally if, hypothetically we get our points stripped next month, and then we appeal it in court, do we play finals pending the court case or does the AFL have the power and final say?

Well, if a court grants us an injunction, we'd be fine to play finals until the injunction was removed / expired - that'd be the point of the injunction.

From memory a player a few years ago went to court to get an injunction to allow them to play until their appeal was sorted out ?

The trick would be getting the court to grant the injunction.

 

[slugger]

Well, if a court grants us an injunction, we'd be fine to play finals until the injunction was removed / expired - that'd be the point of the injunction.

From memory a player a few years ago went to court to get an injunction to allow them to play until their appeal was sorted out ?

The trick would be getting the court to grant the injunction.

Dunkley after he gouged, ironically, James Hird's eye. Remember when Hird accepted his Brownlow with a badly cut eye. He played, but still got found guilty and suspended.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Well, if a court grants us an injunction, we'd be fine to play finals until the injunction was removed / expired - that'd be the point of the injunction.

From memory a player a few years ago went to court to get an injunction to allow them to play until their appeal was sorted out ?

The trick would be getting the court to grant the injunction.

I guess it depends on how strong the case against the club is. If it's a lot of circumstantial crap cobbled together and the points are taken to keep the nuffie brigade happy then it mightn't be too hard.

 

[dons72]

Well, if a court grants us an injunction, we'd be fine to play finals until the injunction was removed / expired - that'd be the point of the injunction.

From memory a player a few years ago went to court to get an injunction to allow them to play until their appeal was sorted out ?

The trick would be getting the court to grant the injunction.

I recall Greg Williams got his injunction when he recieved 9 weeks for pushing the umpire and he kept playing. For memory, I think he got his suspension reduced to 6 weeks. (I could be wrong)

 

[Stopher]

Dunkley after he gouged, ironically, James Hird's eye. Remember when Hird accepted his Brownlow with a badly cut eye. He played, but still got found guilty and suspended.

That really pissed me off, that he was ever allowed to play in that game. A blantat off-the-ball act of thuggery yet he got to front up in a GF. Considering what Chris Grant and Corey McKernan lost Brownlows over, that was nothing short of a disgrace.

 

[Astro Bomber]

I can cop losing our points for this year. Its drafts pick sanctions that I dont want to see.

 

[Kong]

That really pissed me off, that he was ever allowed to play in that game. A blantat off-the-ball act of thuggery yet he got to front up in a GF. Considering what Chris Grant and Corey McKernan lost Brownlows over, that was nothing short of a disgrace.

Sydney have a knack of being looked after in Grand Finals.

 

[cymarak]

That really pissed me off, that he was ever allowed to play in that game. A blantat off-the-ball act of thuggery yet he got to front up in a GF. Considering what Chris Grant and Corey McKernan lost Brownlows over, that was nothing short of a disgrace.

It would have been interesting if in that case, the court had said 'you can have an injunction, but if you're later found guilty, then your team forfeits any match you played in that you would otherwise have missed'.

That would have opened up a few cans of worms, but it would have been an interesting scenario.

 

[Old Campaigner]

It would have been interesting if in that case, the court had said 'you can have an injunction, but if you're later found guilty, then your team forfeits any match you played in that you would otherwise have missed'.

That would have opened up a few cans of worms, but it would have been an interesting scenario.

Especially if it was two games in to the finals and we'd beaten both sides... how would you decide the outcome of the second game?

 

[cymarak]

Especially if it was two games in to the finals and we'd beaten both sides... how would you decide the outcome of the second game?

And that sort of thing hints to why a court wouldn't do what I suggested - if the court had done what I suggested, it would have added a lot of pressure for Dunkley to be let off on appeal.

 

[Stopher]

*Blatant* Gee, I really need to do a quick spell-check once I am done typing. BF is starting to rub off on me, noooooo!

 

[the PILL]

Dunkley after he gouged, ironically, James Hird's eye. Remember when Hird accepted his Brownlow with a badly cut eye. He played, but still got found guilty and suspended.

Probably the most pissed off ive ever been at a game i was at... dirty bastard...

 

[Old Campaigner]

The HT board hivemind is amazing. Suddenly Watson is innocent until the investigation is complete (because otherwise his lack of ban might imply that ASADA messed up), and the Switskowski investigation was fully independent so we have nothing to worry about any conflict of interest from ASADA... Oh and Caro is suddenly the best journalist in football

 

[Pweter]

Sydney have a knack of being looked after in Grand Finals.

Anyone remember Barry Hall's punch to Brett Voss' midriff way off the ball? The punch was in the goalsquare, the ball was on the wing.

That punch was apparently in play.

 

[Beerfish]

That really pissed me off, that he was ever allowed to play in that game. A blantat off-the-ball act of thuggery yet he got to front up in a GF. Considering what Chris Grant and Corey McKernan lost Brownlows over, that was nothing short of a disgrace.

The AFL has a history of letting blokes off to play in GFs though. Anyone remember this disgrace?

"It was a marathon (hearing) and I came out saying, 'I would like to thank the Carlton footy club for all the stories we put together'," Hamill said.

Dog.

 

[rines]

Unfortunately for Caro her credibility has to take a hit with this. I have tried to support that woman and even in the last two pages some posts have been made about her reliability and good journalistic instinct in the past. Sometimes, very much so, Caro has said things that weren't popular but were true etc etc. I also believe that, at her core, Caro is passionate about the game and deserves respect for what she has achieved in the field of journalism... HOWEVER

I go back to my earlier posts that she has allowed her judgement to be clouded on this issue and, I believe, has waivered in her integrity. Usually Caro has been the 'mouthpiece' of the AFL and has had well placed sources. That is where I feel the difference lies in this case. The reality is that there are very very few people that actually understand the full story and the people who do have SERIOUS LEGAL reasons why they will not leak or discuss that information to ANYONE including Caro. This has created an enormous void for Wilson as she has contractual pressure to keep the stories and 'exclusives' coming. In the absence of proper sources and proper information she has sought the sensationalist headline and 'filled the blanks' far too much. The sad reality is that she wasn't alone in doing this however she remains one of the very few that are still going 'gung ho' down this line now that more and more of the picture is coming out. It is this stubbornness that I believe is causing the angst and what she needs to address quickly. I don't think it is good policy to 'change with the mob', nor is it necessarily wrong to stick to your gut and take a stand. However in this case, it is actually arrogant as she continues to peddle a position that is CLEARLY no longer applicable and is CLEARLY more complicated than anyone could imagine.

I also take great umbrage that she has near continually tried to print stories that claim inside factual knowledge of the investigation which is actually an erroneous position. No one, bar the AFL executive and EFC Executive (to a very limited extent) know the full gambit of the investigation yet. Therefore when Caro prints articles that state categorically that the "evidence has been good for Hird" she is clearly talking out of school and that is misleading and inappropriate. As the club so rightly stated, IF she has someone feeding her this information then shame on her for printing it because it is ALL covered by privacy and confidentiality.

As posted above, first she called for Evans, then Thompson, then Robson, then Doc Reid, the Watson and now Hird.. in fact through out this WHOLE saga she has tried to pre-empt the commission and make up her OWN running commentary on what EFC HAS to do or NEEDS to do.. without knowing the facts. This is where she has erred from her past record and where she has crossed the line. At no point has she ever conceded there may be more to the story, at no point has she allowed the presumption of innocence to hold, at no point has she ever printed anything that actually clearly demonstrates that it is all her OPINION and SPECULATION and NOT facts and for that she has let down herself and the profession. The problem I have is that she still holds the power to do great damage to the club and the game and will feel like a caged tiger. The longer this extends, the more Caro must mandate harsh penalties otherwise she could be personally liable for several of her articles.

I can only hope that someone is able to get through to her and allow her to back away gracefully without further damage. This should not be about anyone being 'happy' or 'shoving it in peoples faces', no matter what happened it wasn't great tbh and this ISN'T the finest hour of our club. This is a sorry tale in our history that we wish had stayed period in 2012 where it belonged. The club itself recognised it was wrong, had gone off track and would be the first to admit that nothing about 2012 was pride worthy. That doesn't mean we should lay down and take everything being sent our way though. Let the facts come out and let our club build from these mistakes and become stronger.

I would urge ALL of us to not see that this things are not a 'Victory' for our club.. but do rejoice in the fact that it looks like we will escape serious penalty for sure (and don't think we shouldn't shove it in a few trolls faces!!!) but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that last year wasn't a great example of our clubs proud history and this should be a lesson to ALL clubs moving forward.

And now lets party...

 

[the PILL]

rines... nice post... ive never really bothered with anything she has said until this issue, hence me trying to sorta get a bead on her background...

It really is messing with my mind a little that most jurnos have pulled their heads in, but not caro, she just rolls right along with a confidence i find a little disturbing...

i flipping hate this shit... we get positive news then bammmm another angle to attack...


WHY are we so facinating to people in the wrong way?

 

[Lord Nicholson]

and the Switskowski investigation was fully independent

This is the one I love most.

Weren't they all bleating about how he's a Bombers man? And that the report was lily-livered?