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Sandos history of bringing in young players for one match and dropping them has to stop. I am sick of seeing a kid come in as a sub, getting 15 minutes on the ground and then dropped the next week. Lyons, Grigg, M Crouch, CEY etc are been screwed around by this so-called coach. Now every kid that gets a game is thinking "man if I dont get in the bests im out". Have a look how Ports coach has given Impey a run at it even when he has done nothing to warrent his place in the side. Or Pittard even. He backs them in, gives the confidence and allows then to find their feet. All Sando is doing is destroying confidence of these kids.
It has to stop.
 
What Crap.

Laird, Brown, Cameron, M.Crouch, Hartigan have all been backed in by Sando for extended run of games in some cases before they were ready.

The more talented get favoured , the others have to suck it up and work harder. I'm glad this isn't giftgamesFC. Sando backs in the young guys he sees will play a role in the future the balance has been sound imo.
 

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I don't have a problem with how they have brought in young players over the last few years.

Check out our last few years top draft picks:

Smith
Crouch, Brown, Kerridge
*nobody
Crouch

All have been given significant game time in their first year/few years. You can add in Laird and now Cameron, who by all reports was very very raw.

Not every draft pick will and should be given games for the sake of it from word go.

Lyons has deserved more of a chance to prove himself. That's about the only one I disagree with

This has been highly overstated by people clutching at straws.
 
StonesThrow said:
I don't have a problem with how they have brought in young players over the last few years.

Check out our last few years top draft picks:

Smith
Crouch, Brown, Kerridge
*nobody
Crouch

All have been given significant game time in their first year/few years. You can add in Laird and now Cameron, who by all reports was very very raw.

Not every draft pick will and should be given games for the sake of it from word go.

Lyons has deserved more of a chance to prove himself. That's about the only one I disagree with

This has been highly overstated by people clutching at straws.
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Agree matchday coaching is a much more valid criticism. Selection and opportunities for young players have been good under Sando.
 
So people are happy with players coming in, getting one game and dropped the next? Sweet. Carry on.Say what you like about Craigy but he game the young guys that came in a number of weeks to settle. The way he has handled M Crouch has been rubbish. Did nothing to be dropped when he first came into the team, dropped for god knows what reason, and now the kids confidence is down as seen last week. Yeah, great work Sando. And John Butcher? Got 8 games last year and three in a row this year. He has well and truely been given a go.
If you going to bring a kid in he gets a full game. You back him in for 3-4 games and tell him that.
Grigg started the year averaging 15 possesions a game, kicking 5 goals in three matches of a half forward flank in a team playing shit, gets dropped. Comes back in as a sub, gets stuff all time, gets the next game, we lose the game and hes dropped. Now his confidence is shot. Great development work.
 
What a load of Horse shit. I think we had 10 players with 50 games or less playing against Freo last weekend. Blows your theory totally out of the water.
We have blooded so much youth over the last 2 and half years since Sando has been in charge its not funny. Every team has a group of fringe players that will come in and out of the side based on form, injury and simply just not being good enough. You going to crack the shits when room has to be made for Henderson, VB and Lynch?
Biggest load of dribble I have read in a while. If you believe this to be so true provide stats and facts. Cold hard undeniable facts!
 
Cleric said:
So people are happy with players coming in, getting one game and dropped the next? Sweet. Carry on.Say what you like about Craigy but he game the young guys that came in a number of weeks to settle. The way he has handled M Crouch has been rubbish. Did nothing to be dropped when he first came into the team, dropped for god knows what reason, and now the kids confidence is down as seen last week. Yeah, great work Sando. And John Butcher? Got 8 games last year and three in a row this year. He has well and truely been given a go.
If you going to bring a kid in he gets a full game. You back him in for 3-4 games and tell him that.
Grigg started the year averaging 15 possesions a game, kicking 5 goals in three matches of a half forward flank in a team playing shit, gets dropped. Comes back in as a sub, gets stuff all time, gets the next game, we lose the game and hes dropped. Now his confidence is shot. Great development work.
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you are making sweeping statement and failing to notice those that have been continually backed in. Laird, brown, kerridge etc have not set the world alight every game but the coach has backed them in as they offer alot structually. Lyons is one that has struggled because his role is not as important to our structure at the moment as there are plenty ahead. Port have plenty that are in and out too.
 
Cleric said:
Say what you like about Craigy but he game the young guys that came in a number of weeks to settle.
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It took the young guys a number of years before Craig would even give them a shot. I seem to recall reading on here that Van Berlo and maybe one other guy were pretty much the only guys ever given a game at AFL level in their first season at the club.

*feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but seem to recall it being something like that*
 
dylan123 said:
It took the young guys a number of years before Craig would even give them a shot. I seem to recall reading on here that Van Berlo and maybe one other guy were pretty much the only guys ever given a game at AFL level in their first season at the club.

*feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but seem to recall it being something like that*
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Your very, very wrong.

I would be happy to provide the facts on PLAYING THE KIDS again but some people on this board can't handle the truth.
 

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Jack is Back said:
Your very, very wrong.

I would be happy to provide the facts on PLAYING THE KIDS again but some people on this board can't handle the truth.
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Was talking about their very first season at the club.

Took a look and there were a few more, Douglas, Vince, Jacky, Otten, Danger all got a couple of games although I don't think I've seen anyone play over 5 games in their first season under Craig yet so I don't think I'd say Craig was any better than Sando/Sando any worse.
 
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
If we're happy with the results the club has been producing then we have to be happy with their selection policy
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There is absolutely no logic to that statement whatsoever, given that selection policy accounts for about 2% (probably less) of the reason why our club is not a premiership contender at this point in time. There are many other factors with significantly greater impact on our current predicament.
 
dylan123 said:
Was talking about their very first season at the club.

Took a look and there were a few more, Douglas, Vince, Jacky, Otten, Danger all got a couple of games although I don't think I've seen anyone play over 5 games in their first season under Craig yet so I don't think I'd say Craig was any better than Sando/Sando any worse.
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O.K great job perpetuating the myth.

Danger was a bottom aged player living in Geelong in his first year on our list . He wasn't training with us but he was still given a game. How many games did he play in his first year in Adelaide?

Would you like to tell everyone how many games Brodie Smith played in his first year at the club (and they were in the midfield).

Andy Otten was given a game in his first year and looked totally out of his depth. In his second year he played almost every game.

Jacky? He was given a game which surprised even him.

Then there's Tex Walker who was terribly treated by Craigy. He was recruited as a 17 year old and did not play a game in his first season (under the current rules he would not have been allowed to play in the AFL as a 17 year old, are you blaming Sando for not playing Brad Crouch in 2012?). Only 2 key forwards have played more games than Tex before their 21 birthday in the last 10 years (care to guess who they were?).
 
Vader said:
There is absolutely no logic to that statement whatsoever, given that selection policy accounts for about 2% (probably less) of the reason why our club is not a premiership contender at this point in time. There are many other factors with significantly greater impact on our current predicament.
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Another Vaderism. Perhaps you can break down the other 98% for the rest of us. Imo selection is more like 20%
 

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Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
Picking the players to represent us is 2%?

Ok.
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Given that there is usually only 1 or 2 decisions each week which are even moderately controversial, yes. We're also talking about the last player picked, i.e. the least influential player in the team.

It pales into insignificance when compared to issues like the Tiprat penalties, which are now beginning to really bite as we enter the period where that lost talent would be starting to have a real influence. Then there is the policy decision that the club will never bottom out, thereby eliminating almost any chance of getting our hands on a top-5 draft pick.

Then there are the issues with the game plan and Sando's game day coaching...
 
whitey_1975 said:
Another Vaderism. Perhaps you can break down the other 98% for the rest of us. Imo selection is more like 20%
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Team selection per se isn't unimportant, but the selection issues raised in the OP are virtually irrelevant. We're talking about 1 or (maybe) 2 selections each week, which are debatable at best (by no means clearly wrong). These decisions affect the last 1 or 2 players selected - the least influential players on the team.

On that basis, it's very hard to argue that the issues raised in the OP are responsible for more than 2% of our current situation.

It's not as if Cleric has even managed to get their facts straight anyway, particularly when discussing the handling of Matt Crouch..
 
Jack is Back said:
O.K great job perpetuating the myth.

Danger was a bottom aged player living in Geelong in his first year on our list . He wasn't training with us but he was still given a game. How many games did he play in his first year in Adelaide?

Would you like to tell everyone how many games Brodie Smith played in his first year at the club (and they were in the midfield).

Andy Otten was given a game in his first year and looked totally out of his depth. In his second year he played almost every game.

Jacky? He was given a game which surprised even him.

Then there's Tex Walker who was terribly treated by Craigy. He was recruited as a 17 year old and did not play a game in his first season (under the current rules he would not have been allowed to play in the AFL as a 17 year old, are you blaming Sando for not playing Brad Crouch in 2012?). Only 2 key forwards have played more games than Tex before their 21 birthday in the last 10 years (care to guess who they were?).
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You seemed to have gone off your rocket here. I even said in my first post I might be wrong in which I then followed up in my second listing a number of guys who did get games in their first season. Again, I said I hadn't seen any yet (better put it in bold given how much you like to use that) that had played over 5 games and given Smith was drafted after all these guys, it would make sense as to why I hadn't mentioned him as I was yet to reach him.

And as for your question, well there's Roughead, J.Riewoldt, Franklin, S.Reid, T.Lynch, T.Cloke and Cameron (Hawkins 1 short) that I can think of (and probably more). So I'm not sure which two you're talking about, perhaps the 2 you're talking about are in the list of 7 guys I've mentioned that have played as many/more games as Walker by the time they turned 21?

And getting back to it to the topic on hand, I don't believe Sando is any better/worse at playing young guys than what Craig was.
 
dylan123 said:
And getting back to it to the topic on hand, I don't believe Sando is any better/worse at playing young guys than what Craig was.
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More to the point, he's no better/worse than any of his peers at the other clubs.
 

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