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What do we back in the Sandown Classic?
Decisions, decisions..ok not really it's very simple with just the one winning chance.

ZIPPING... back him....top up... then top up some more with confidence.

Around the 2.50 mark, should get even more before the jump...early xmas present, he wins this 8/10 times at worst.

True odds
Zipping: $1.30
Rest: Plenty

P/L: +755 units
Special
Zipping win 100 units @ 2.5
R9 Bella Princess to place 20 @ $7 plc
 
Starz you're back, god where have you been?

I was sure you were with Zippings winning form, LOST!
 

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I see Zipping is currently $3.10 to win and $1.00 the place on the TAB. Reckon they're about the right odds. Interesting, his current odds to win this race are only a fraction shorter than his 'True Odds' to win the Melbourne Cup last week....

In saying that, surely for the second-best galloper in the land this race is a soda? What better chance is he going to get to win a Group 2 WFA against a field of C Graders at best, in what will be the biggest win of his career?

I've actually backed Zipping for the first time in my life, all-up into Lets Go Thommo at $6.5....
 
bluey17 said:
everyone giving him shit get your ass off the fence and pick the winner

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Agreed. Heaps of fence sitters give him crap which is just pathetic. In saying that Starz has a piss poor personality it seems which i think annoys people. Still, sniping people degrades the forum.

I think this place is gold. It's a shame some people feel the need to attack others because they like a horse and declare it.

There isn't one person in this entire forum or planet who punts who hasnt been in love with some horse and thought it was a moral only to see it lose. :)
 
Apologies for not being able post Oaks true odds there was a restriction on my account for what reason i don't know, backing winners?

True odds had Arapaho Miss rated $2.50 and very surprised at the 9.4,
Serious Speed rated and paid $5 were they were only winning chances and ran 1-2.
*excuse the aftertiming but this would have brought the p/l total to +900.

100 units stake on Zipping is double that of the previous biggest bets on Marasco in the MD Stakes and Zipping to place in the McKinnon which paid $5, both easy winners.
 
starz; said:
Apologies for not being able post Oaks true odds

there was a restriction on my account for what reason i don't know, backing winners?
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starz; said:
Doubt it would be backing winners Starz,youre in no danger there
Apparently theres been a crackdown on posters with multiple ID's?
Who would have thought that would be you?

seth
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starz said:
Apologies for not being able post Oaks true odds there was a restriction on my account for what reason i don't know, backing winners?

True odds had Arapaho Miss rated $2.50 and very surprised at the 9.4,
Serious Speed rated and paid $5 were they were only winning chances and ran 1-2.
*excuse the aftertiming but this would have brought the p/l total to +900.

100 units stake on Zipping is double that of the previous biggest bets on Marasco in the MD Stakes and Zipping to place in the McKinnon which paid $5, both easy winners.
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Who would have thought.
Tipping post race is not tipping, its reading results. Starz you are now in a even lower class, downgraded from f**kwit
 
Thats his level,decent Gp2 win from a nice WFA Gp1 B grader.
Can only beat whats out there but Jukebox Johnny came through the MV Cup to run 2nd....same race Zipping won last year.
Imagine if it had won a Gp2 WFA?

seth
 

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Just got off the phone from Rockett who rides work and runs teh ground staff at Lloyds and he says a nerd looking guy has set up a tent outside of Zipping's box, he has a table, what looks like dinner for 2 and a bunch of roses.

I can only think Starz is thinking hes gonna get lucky tonight.
 
the_fresh said:
Just got off the phone from Rockett who rides work and runs teh ground staff at Lloyds and he says a nerd looking guy has set up a tent outside of Zipping's box, he has a table, what looks like dinner for 2 and a bunch of roses.

I can only think Starz is thinking hes gonna get lucky tonight.
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Hahaha :D
 
Can't let this pass without addressing a few points.
Yes those A graders, Zipping clashed with El Segundo twice, 1-1 this Spring and 1-0 to Zipping on merit.
The next best A graders - he sent Miss finland to the paddock and Haradasun nowhere to be seen.

Oaks true odds thread was submitted but rejected, ok agreed aftertiming is poor form.

In any event, If being accused of having an alias warrants a ban then what does the_fresh and the rest of these kids get for blatant unprovoked abuse? Nothing of course... go figure.
 
Sandown Classic - predictable outcome and a very worthy winner, 1.30 was spot on.

Good run from the most powerful galloper in the land, only just touched on top gear for a second or two and that was it, an inevitable bigtime collect.

Bella Princess opening place fixed odds were $7, a few scratching brought that down a tad and she just missed out on third place in a photo coming from last.
 
starz said:
Can't let this pass without addressing a few points.
Yes those A graders, Zipping clashed with El Segundo twice, 1-1 this Spring and 1-0 to Zipping on merit.
The next best A graders - he sent Miss finland to the paddock and Haradasun nowhere to be seen.

Oaks true odds thread was submitted but rejected, ok agreed aftertiming is poor form.

In any event, If being accused of having an alias warrants a ban then what does the_fresh and the rest of these kids get for blatant unprovoked abuse? Nothing of course... go figure.
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I have only posted here under Im the gun & The fresh, i haven't posted under Im the gun in a very long time and won't again.

the reason you get abuse is because you are a fool. its started last year when i blackbooked wavelength, said it'll win over 1600m the first time she stepped to 1600 she won, you went on and on about how thats not the point of the blackbook.
Then there was Zipping. he had what 6 runs this time in, you would have backed him everytime as well, he won at his last start this prep, @ $2.35SP, meaning if you were to break even and had a $100 on him at each start you'll need to have $700 on him to make $35.
You still fail to understand punting %%'s rating the Melbourne cup at 102% meant what ever won was always going to be overs in real life.


BTW, how was Zipping last lnight? did he put out for ya?
 

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Starz puts a few noses out of joint obviously, and I can see why, but in their haste to attack him, some go overboard on Zipping.

"Not a wfa horse".

"Not a stayer".

Both of these have been dispelled.

He may not be the best wfa horse in the land, nor the best stayer, but there aren't many better.

Just because a horse isn't the best, or in the best two or three, in a category doesn't make him a B-grader.
 
Lets put this to bed.

I said Zipping is a "B Grade WFA horse",simply because A grade WFA horses win Gp 1's.
When he wins a Gp 1 WFA race,I may change my mind...I doubt it though.
I also said MF wouldnt win an open G1 at WFA this year....still waiting despite her running favourite in several.

I never said Zipping wasnt a stayer,all along I said thats all he is.
Good stayers can be competitive at WFA but they are non winners at WFA.
They can peel off 1 sectional if a race is run to suit but they dont win.
Zippings last 2 wins are in the MV Cup & Sandown Classic.
He beat Show Barry & Jukebox Johnny.....handicappers.

He's better than them but he is not a WFA horse
To say that he's a WFA horse is wrong,WFA horses win Gp 1's.
He's an above average stayer who doesnt get 2 miles.

seth
 
Ok Seth, that's your definition of what a wfa horse. Mine would be a horse that's competitive in wfa, and Zipping has a couple of places in Group 1s, and several other very good runs, so he fits that category for me.

As to not being a two miler, only two Australian horses have beaten him in two runnings of the Melbourne Cup, Australia's premier 2 mile handicap. If he's not a two miler, then only Maybe Better and Efficient (of the Australian horses) are. Sure his run has finished each time with 150m to go, but he drew in the car park each time.
 
Fair enough then PT.
If you take Zipping out of the discussion,I need a WFA horse to have won at Gp1 WFA.
I cant think of 1 other horse who I can confidently say is a WFA horse that is a GP 1 maiden.

As for Zipping,the true staying test anywhere is 2400m+
He has also failed in Gp 1 handicaps 3 times,2 X MC & 1 x CC.
Dont get sucked in to the excuses,he ran up to win in both 2006 & 2007.
As a Danehill,which is not his fault,he doesnt stay 2 miles.

Gp 2 horse at best,too many Gp 1 failures to be anything else.

seth
 
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Ok Seth, that's your definition of what a wfa horse. Mine would be a horse that's competitive in wfa, and Zipping has a couple of places in Group 1s, and several other very good runs, so he fits that category for me.

As to not being a two miler, only two Australian horses have beaten him in two runnings of the Melbourne Cup, Australia's premier 2 mile handicap. If he's not a two miler, then only Maybe Better and Efficient (of the Australian horses) are. Sure his run has finished each time with 150m to go, but he drew in the car park each time.
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His trainer, owner & jockey all said he doesn't stay 2 miles the fact that he ran 4th in each cup just goes to show you that 2 year old racing has killed our better races such as the Cups.
Maybe Better is not a great stayer, he gets about 3000m and starts to go up and down on the same spot. Efficient on the other hand does stay 2 miles, he's about 5 lengths off him over the trip but Efficient isn't that great a stayer.

As for being a WFA horse, the race yesterday was at WFA but really how many of that field would go any good in the BMW? (the only WFA group 1 over 2400m in Australia) Zipping might run a place, but the rest would be againest even getting a run.
Zipping isn't competitive at WFA. in fact in 5 WFA runs before yesterday he was on avg. 3.04 lengths behind the winner, yesterday win take that to 2.25 lengths behind even. in 6 starts & 4.25 lengths in group 1 WFA races, anything over 1 length isn't competitive IMO.
 
the_fresh said:
His trainer, owner & jockey all said he doesn't stay 2 miles the fact that he ran 4th in each cup just goes to show you that 2 year old racing has killed our better races such as the Cups.
Maybe Better is not a great stayer, he gets about 3000m and starts to go up and down on the same spot. Efficient on the other hand does stay 2 miles, he's about 5 lengths off him over the trip but Efficient isn't that great a stayer.

As for being a WFA horse, the race yesterday was at WFA but really how many of that field would go any good in the BMW? (the only WFA group 1 over 2400m in Australia) Zipping might run a place, but the rest would be againest even getting a run.
Zipping isn't competitive at WFA. in fact in 5 WFA runs before yesterday he was on avg. 3.04 lengths behind the winner, yesterday win take that to 2.25 lengths behind even. in 6 starts & 4.25 lengths in group 1 WFA races, anything over 1 length isn't competitive IMO.
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I dont understand that comment fresh? Can you explain please?
 

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