Opinion Scharenberg vs Aish

[THATSGOLD]

Lennon is in line to debut this week. Must be a strong draft as plenty of debuts early on. I think it's too early to write players off. What's Freeman's foot skills like?

 

[Scodog10]

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Would take Judd any day of the week.

Hodge for me thanks

From what has been seen through nationals, TAC and juniors Scharenberg is the better player. You are making a comparison days into the 12 year decision purely based on Scharenberg having an injury which isn't too bad and a few decent games from Aish.
Until they are both 26+ and Aish has shown to be a much better player I am completely standing by the Scharenberg decision.

That's to long a time frame, IMO. We'll know by the age of 21 whether we made the right call or not. Neither player was a speculative pick so they'll have shown exactly what they're capable of within a few years.

If it were Bontempelli v Aish (which was the Bulldogs call) I'd wait the extra few years, but not Scharanberg v Aish.

 

[loki04]

Thread is 2 years too early.

Aish will be a star but I feel his strong family history ties to South Australia may tempt him later on in his career to home move, Scharenberg strikes me as a really loyal guy though.

Freeman and Scharenberg are both special talents and fit our list beautifully, going to be great to watch them for the next 10 years. I expect after 3 games in the VFL we will be calling for Scharenberg to be in the seniors similar to Grundy in 2013, can already see him now looking a class above.

Will be the next captain of Collingwood, you heard it here first

He was touted as a potential future captain of what ever club drafted him prior to the draft and a few posters have mad the same comment previously including myself.

 

[Babylove]

It is way too early to be having this discussion. As others have pointed Scharenberg hasn't even played a game in the VFL yet. I'd also like to add that the career of a player is a marathon not a sprint. Aish has certainly started better by virtue of the fact that he has not been injured, but whether that will translate into the long term it's hard too say. Also given how we have been performing, it's highly likely Aish wouldn't have played many games. Scharenberg definitely filled a need on our list, where with Aish, he would be competing with our midfielders & small forwards where we have the most depth.

 

[sr36]

Hodge for me thanks
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Really surprised by that. Hodge has played some truly great games of footy, but in terms of career, I'd have Judd miles in front.

 

[loki04]

Lennon is in line to debut this week. Must be a strong draft as plenty of debuts early on. I think it's too early to write players off. What's Freeman's foot skills like?

No Buckley but also not the worst kick either, seems to sometimes suffer similar to how a young Judd would misfire when running at speed.
But generally from what I have seen is a good kick where as a Shazberg is an excellent kick.

 

[Scodog10]

Really surprised by that. Hodge has played some truly great games of footy, but in terms of career, I'd have Judd miles in front.

These were my thoughts in the Hodge v Judd thread on the main board earlier this year.

Both will be hall of famers once eligible and are brilliant players in their own right so I find it hard to split them. With that being said though if Collingwood had selection one at the 01 draft and given what we know now I would choose Hodge.

I do have Judd as the slightly better player over the journey, but I think Hodge would have added more to Collingwood. In 07, 09, 11 and 12 when we finished runners up or as Prelim finalist I think another strong leader down back with the talent of Hodge when added to the likes of Shaw, Maxwell, Pretigiacomo, Johnson and Clement would have added more than Judd.

Swan is also somewhat similar to Judd in that it is his running power and stoppage work that has enabled him to be a champion and because of this I just can't see Judd fitting into the mix as well at Collingwood as Hodge would have over the journey.

One final note MM has always put a premium on defense so IMO he would have gotten more out of Hodge than Judd in a similar way to how he has been able to get Simpson to step up over the past 18 months (not that he wasn't great beforehand).

I'm not going to argue the toss on it though and I find the comparison a good one personally.

I think Aish's flame will burn brighter initially, but as time goes by Scharanberg will catch and surpass him. He just has the intangibles that I love plus the numbers to back it up.

Like Hodge Scharanberg has this I'm the man aura. IMO, both will one day captain their prospective clubs and I'd agree with Knight that Aish has 300 games written all over him, but for mine Aish will be the best player type of captain ala Judd and Buckley early days whereas as Scharanberg will be a best leader captain ala Hodge and Maxwell.

 

[kelvarnsen]

Doesn't mean he did not play basketball, just that he was good at baseball.

You're not playing with a full deck, are you?

 

[GAMEFREAK]

Aish migth turn out to be the better player, these things happen, but you should trust Hine in what he has been doing. He recruited Shazza because he thought he was the next best player. Hine said on many occassions that with high draft picks he does not pick for the need of the side , he just picks the best player available. He thinks shazza is better than Aish, i would trust his judgement.

 

[loki04]

Really surprised by that. Hodge has played some truly great games of footy, but in terms of career, I'd have Judd miles in front.

Hodge for mine too.

Early on injury was what stopped Hodge from regularly showing what he was capable of.

Hodge better kick by a mile, more versatile, better mark, reads the play better, is seriously tough not just at receiving punishment but will also deal it out, better leader and loyal.

Judds a great player but if I had the number 1 pick Id pick Hodge still.

 

[sr36]

Aish migth turn out to be the better player, these things happen, but you should trust Hine in what he has been doing. He recruited Shazza because he thought he was the next best player. Hine said on many occassions that with high draft picks he does not pick for the need of the side , he just picks the best player available. He thinks shazza is better than Aish, i would trust his judgement.

Supposedly he couldn't seperate them on ability.

 

[Bard]

This is the point of the discussion though?

My point is that there is no discussion to be had.

 

[THATSGOLD]

No Buckley but also not the worst kick either, seems to sometimes suffer similar to how a young Judd would misfire when running at speed.
But generally from what I have seen is a good kick where as a Shazberg is an excellent kick.

We all know he has the pace but one thing with guys with pace is kicking skills. Hopefully he is the elite player we are looking for in the future.

 

[TradeDraft]

Scharenberg will be the best player out of this draft, if he gets over those feet problem.

Aish was taken at 7 for a reason, he's a little small but there's no doubt he has talent.

I'd rate the future promise of Freeman close to Aish too, and maybe Freeman is more suited to us anyway, as we need a pacy midfielder more than we need an Aish type (Aish is Beams like I reckon).

When you think about it when you look at them.

Both are 184cm and play a very similar style of game

 

[Knightmare]

Aish is quicker and more of a classy user of the footy than Sidebottom, he just has more time with ball in hand. He is the better talent and will be the better footballer assuming Brisbane get their player development right.

 

[jackcass]

You're not playing with a full deck, are you?

Shucks, thanks!

 

[Venkman]

Aish is quicker and more of a classy user of the footy than Sidebottom, he just has more time with ball in hand. He is the better talent and will be the better footballer assuming Brisbane get their player development right.

Surely, It's too early to tell. I think Richard Tambling would have shown more pace and foot skills that a young Sidebottem, or even a Selwood, that's just one factor in termns of what may or may not eventuate.

 

[blaze036]

Lennon is in line to debut this week. Must be a strong draft as plenty of debuts early on. I think it's too early to write players off. What's Freeman's foot skills like?

If Lennon debutes then everyone from the top 13 of the 2013 draft will of played except for the Collingwood boys...

 

[Dundalis]

Hodge for mine too.

Early on injury was what stopped Hodge from regularly showing what he was capable of.

Hodge better kick by a mile, more versatile, better mark, reads the play better, is seriously tough not just at receiving punishment but will also deal it out, better leader and loyal.

Judds a great player but if I had the number 1 pick Id pick Hodge still.

Not for me. For a few years, Judd was not only easily the best player in the game, but was slowly being talked about as a potential all time great. Hodge never approached that level in his career. AFAIC watching him in some of those early games in his career, where his speed and strength combination was almost godly, I could see where the comments came from, despite him still being relatively young.

I know Hodge had his own injury problems, but for me if both were injury free their whole careers, I'd easily take Judd. His ability to break games apart within the blink of an eye was unmatched. Ablett Jnr is more dominant over a full match, but if you have 5-10 mins to break a game open, I'd still have Judd at his peak. And back then, his kicking was straight. Didn't get huge distance, but he was in fact quite accurate on both feet, and when he could gain 10-15 metres at will, purely due to his speed and strength, it made up for the lack of great distance on his kicks.

 

[loki04]

Not for me. For a few years, Judd was not only easily the best player in the game, but was slowly being talked about as a potential all time great. Hodge never approached that level in his career. AFAIC watching him in some of those early games in his career, where his speed and strength combination was almost godly, I could see where the comments came from, despite him still being relatively young.

I know Hodge had his own injury problems, but for me if both were injury free their whole careers, I'd easily take Judd. His ability to break games apart within the blink of an eye was unmatched. Ablett Jnr is more dominant over a full match, but if you have 5-10 mins to break a game open, I'd still have Judd at his peak. And back then, his kicking was straight. Didn't get huge distance, but he was in fact quite accurate on both feet, and when he could gain 10-15 metres at will, purely due to his speed and strength, it made up for the lack of great distance on his kicks.

He has never been overly accurate, at his peak quite often he would kick over the leading targets head or it would fall short at their feet. Judd also said it in an early career hun interview that he was working hard to fix it.

He was however accurate on the run at goals.

 

[Dundalis]

There you go, please don't worry any longer

Check out 2:24 of the above video. It's like Pendlebury, but faster and with more explosive acceleration. I don't know about anyone else, but I think he should be thrown in the midfield straight away (obviously in the VFL to start with). We know he has the quality to play as a quarterback out of defense, but his value would be so much higher if he could stick as a midfielder. With his attributes, best case scenario he could be Pendles with speed and a dominant aerial game. If it doesn't work out he can always be moved back into defense. I feel like our rebound out of defense is solid now, with Langdon, and the likes of Marley Williams coming back, and Fasolo looking far better than I expected him to look in that role. We should have enough to allow him to try developing there.

 

[Manic Magpie]

If Lennon debutes then everyone from the top 13 of the 2013 draft will of played except for the Collingwood boys...

A staggering statistic. Our 2 picks had better be worth waiting for!!

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

A staggering statistic. Our 2 picks had better be worth waiting for!!

They will. Freeman will be in the same class as a Dane Swan.
Scharenberg same class as pendlebury.
A couple of experienced players are going to have to make way for them by seasons end, these two can win us the premiership this year.

 

[Collingwoodity]

My point is that there is no discussion to be had.

Why are you discussing your point in the thread?

 

[Bard]

Why are you discussing your point in the thread?

Knew that'd be the response

I don't really consider what I'm doing discussing the subject at hand.