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SEQAFL Division 1 2013

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Tiger G quite rightly pretty happy. Watched the game and what I saw was the team with the better talent on paper play selfish undisciplined footy. The team with less talent on paper played for each other and thoroughly deserved their victory. For mine the final score flattered Surfers. Mayne will win games this year for sure but from what I saw will come up short against the top teams. Surfers not as good as I thought, and are no certs for finals.

Also saw most of PBC v Cooly. Cooly are a long way behind and should consider next year dropping down a couple of divisions to perhaps the new merged Northern Rivers/Tweed/GC Division 4. They had a crack but don't have the cattle to get within 12 goals of any of the top teams, and I reckon the margin would have been larger without the rain. A long year ahead where a few floggings will happen. Palmy probably didn't play as well as they can but will be there on the second last Saturday in Sept I reckon.

PBC v Surfers next week will be interesting with Surfers on the rebound. I may get egg on my face but from what I saw last weekend Palmy will be far too strong.
 
2010premier said:
Tiger G quite rightly pretty happy. Watched the game and what I saw was the team with the better talent on paper play selfish undisciplined footy. The team with less talent on paper played for each other and thoroughly deserved their victory. For mine the final score flattered Surfers. Mayne will win games this year for sure but from what I saw will come up short against the top teams. Surfers not as good as I thought, and are no certs for finals.

Also saw most of PBC v Cooly. Cooly are a long way behind and should consider next year dropping down a couple of divisions to perhaps the new merged Northern Rivers/Tweed/GC Division 4. They had a crack but don't have the cattle to get within 12 goals of any of the top teams, and I reckon the margin would have been larger without the rain. A long year ahead where a few floggings will happen. Palmy probably didn't play as well as they can but will be there on the second last Saturday in Sept I reckon.

PBC v Surfers next week will be interesting with Surfers on the rebound. I may get egg on my face but from what I saw last weekend Palmy will be far too strong.
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The Div 4 South comp is for teams with no reserves....surely none of the Pineapple cup sides would drop that low.

We saw Caloundra drop from Division 2 to Division 4 North due to lack of numbers only.

Why don't they introduce promotion and relegation for the first 3 divisions???
 
Breakthelines said:
The Div 4 South comp is for teams with no reserves....surely none of the Pineapple cup sides would drop that low.

We saw Caloundra drop from Division 2 to Division 4 North due to lack of numbers only.

Why don't they introduce promotion and relegation for the first 3 divisions???
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Doubt it would work, there is a big gap between those sides in Div 2 and Div 1.
 
A look at this weeks games:
Grange v Mayne: I hope the date is incorrect for Mayne's sake! Playing on a Sunday and backing up on Friday night is a bit rough, will take a lot of confidence into this game but a 5 day t5urn around after playing in heavy conditions in this comp is a massive ask for the Mayne lads. With Grange kicking a big score against a dissapointing Burleigh should win well in the end.
Maroochy v Noosa: Should be a willing contest for a half! Think the class of Noosa will be to much for the roos. Will no doubt be a bruising encounter. Brewster to kick another bag and Noosa by 8 goals.
Sandgate v Magpies: Without seeing the game its hard to know if Sandgate were that bad or Noosa that good! By all reports its a mixture of both. Maggies kicked a big score against a struggling Pumas and if Hawks dont improve will be another touch up you would think. Again not knowing what side the Maggies will put on the park you assure it will be more than competitive! Maggies by 10 goals.
Surfers v PBC: Big game for both teams, Dees would have to be filthy on their perfomance from the weekend! Pretty sure that game will not be spoken about again and all intent will be focused on this weekend. I watched the Palmy game on the weekend and would have to agree with the other posts, were pretty scrappy but conditions played a hand in that, but from all reports expect similar conditions this weekend. Both teams arnt renounded for their exceptional discipline!!! The class of Palmy should prevail but will be dissapointed to see another showing to last week from the dee's. Palmy by 6 goals.
Cooly v Burleigh: Both terrible last week! Both sides will be wanting a big turn around and get back some respectability. The loser of this game will be in for a long long year. Both will desperatly want the points and should be a good tough game of footy. Burleigh by 3 goals.

The views in this article are those of the author and not necessarily those of the QAFL or its clubs!!!!!!!
 

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FWIW, from what I've seen of Surfers they have the talent there but they haven't meshed as yet. They will as the year goes on, you'd think. They're the sort of team that might have a few poor games early but could build up steam over the back half of year - it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see them finish 5th on the back of 5-6 wins a row and win through to a prelim or grand final
 
Palmy where zip and three last year and still got there! Would be going exceptionally well to get there from 5th given the early form of Grange, Noosa, Maggies and Palmy! But defiantly possible.
 
kwhit said:
Palmy where zip and three last year and still got there! Would be going exceptionally well to get there from 5th given the early form of Grange, Noosa, Maggies and Palmy! But defiantly possible.
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They could also mesh early and finish top 2 or 3 - point is, I reckon they will at some point whether it's early or in the back half
 
Breakthelines said:
The Div 4 South comp is for teams with no reserves....surely none of the Pineapple cup sides would drop that low.

We saw Caloundra drop from Division 2 to Division 4 North due to lack of numbers only.

Why don't they introduce promotion and relegation for the first 3 divisions???
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I have heard that cooly have never had more than 20 at training and are struggling big time to field 2 teams. It probably won't happen but for mine div 4 northern rivers would be the best place for them. Like robina a few years back, dropped 2 levels, won premierships and went up again and are now a good stable club.
 
2010premier said:
I have heard that cooly have never had more than 20 at training and are struggling big time to field 2 teams. It probably won't happen but for mine div 4 northern rivers would be the best place for them. Like robina a few years back, dropped 2 levels, won premierships and went up again and are now a good stable club.
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I guess them dropping would make it a 10 team comp and easier to manage for the league.

Promotion and relegation gives the top sides in div 2 & 3 something more to play for and makes div 1 and div 2 cellar dwellers work hard to stay where they are.
 
Breakthelines said:
I guess them dropping would make it a 10 team comp and easier to manage for the league.

Promotion and relegation gives the top sides in div 2 & 3 something more to play for and makes div 1 and div 2 cellar dwellers work hard to stay where they are.
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I think the clubs in the League deserve the opportunity of at least a few years to get themselves going again. Cooly have been battling for a little while, but it wasnt that long ago they were a power in the comp. It seems to work in waves, clubs are successful, then go through tough periods, then come good etc. (Outside the power clubs like Noosa, PBC, Magpies etc) Mayne have been very ordinary for a few years, and if they were given the boot may not of had the opportunity to do as well as they appear to be doing now had they been shafted down a Div. Sandgate 5 years ago was fixed to the bottom of the ladder and battling, then over last 3 years had a solid period where the were contenders. Maroochy the same thing, if not for Mayne could very well have finished last and been relegated for one bad year. They now also seem to have improved again.

Clubs are generally very proud, and moving down is an absolute last resort. I reckon unless they cant field two sides, clubs need to be given the chance to get themselves going, and if they get to a point where they know they cant, then go down.
 
I think it's in a holding pattern until the NEAFL settles down. I can't possibly see the current structure being sustainable and reckon it will become one comp encompassing NSW/ACT/QLD/NT. So you might drop 4-5 teams out of that top comp who might form a new "premier" SEQAFL division with the power sides of this comp - Noosa, Magpies, PBC etc
 
Breakthelines said:
People say that about footy in Victoria but it works down there......
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It works better in the EFL where the premiers come up only. In the ammos the grand finalists go up but without an influx of better players they drop straight back down. I think it is a good way to go but obviously if the gap is too big then it won't work.
 

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Interesting first week of fixtures.
Appears the gap is still massive in the competition with the exception of Mayne.
Palm Beach to get stronger with new recruits. Also Darren O'Brien rumored to be heading to PBC. He would be very good in this league.
Surfers disappointing - but probably not surprising. Fulton struggled in his last two seasons at NEAFL level but would expect him to pop up every now and then with a bag.
Rolfe brothers struggled at NEAFL level last season as well. Would expect them to get better at this level though.
Really like the sounds coming from the Magpies.
Expect PBC and Magpies to finish top 2
 
cats35 said:
It works better in the EFL where the premiers come up only. In the ammos the grand finalists go up but without an influx of better players they drop straight back down. I think it is a good way to go but obviously if the gap is too big then it won't work.
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I'm from the WRFL, only the premier comes up and the wooden spooner down.

Works well and clubs don't have to go up either, if they don't have the finances they can stay in their current division the the wooden spooner stay where they are.
 
Interesting argument about relegation.

However the subject that most club administrators are not privy to is what financial position clubs are in from year to year.

Any Club delegate associated with SEQAFL will tell you that there are few Clubs that are financial at the end of the year. On top of that, financial clubs are not informed what steps are being taken by the League executive to maintain the integrity of the League by ensuring clubs clear their indebtedness.

Maroochdore/North Shore are a glaring example. Most Div 1 clubs are aware that the Club is struggling and have been so ever since moving to Fishermans Rd.

They need to be in the League to satisfy the Leagues wish for a strong base in the Maroochy area. However the undercurrent still surrounds where the Club stands regarding long term viability.

Cooly and Palmy appear to be suffering from past indiscretions by labouring with contract players, rather than getting back to grass roots and building a culture of youth. Palmy have come out the other side with a few flags, but at what expense of youth development.

Would be interested to learn about Surfers and Pumas development plans.

Grange and Noosa appear to have a solid base with youth development, which will stand the test of time.
 
argt2000 said:
Interesting argument about relegation.

However the subject that most club administrators are not privy to is what financial position clubs are in from year to year.

Any Club delegate associated with SEQAFL will tell you that there are few Clubs that are financial at the end of the year. On top of that, financial clubs are not informed what steps are being taken by the League executive to maintain the integrity of the League by ensuring clubs clear their indebtedness.

Maroochdore/North Shore are a glaring example. Most Div 1 clubs are aware that the Club is struggling and have been so ever since moving to Fishermans Rd.

They need to be in the League to satisfy the Leagues wish for a strong base in the Maroochy area. However the undercurrent still surrounds where the Club stands regarding long term viability.

Cooly and Palmy appear to be suffering from past indiscretions by labouring with contract players, rather than getting back to grass roots and building a culture of youth. Palmy have come out the other side with a few flags, but at what expense of youth development.

Would be interested to learn about Surfers and Pumas development plans.

Grange and Noosa appear to have a solid base with youth development, which will stand the test of time.
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Comes back to the point I made earlier, teams that win the division below have a choice on whether they want to be promoted.

My club won the Division 2 WRFL premiership but didn't have the funds to move up and stayed down the next season, we got the club financial and won it again so moved up to division 1. They have now been in div 1 for 7 seasons and are in the top 3 sides in the comp.
 
argt2000 said:
Interesting argument about relegation.

However the subject that most club administrators are not privy to is what financial position clubs are in from year to year.

Any Club delegate associated with SEQAFL will tell you that there are few Clubs that are financial at the end of the year. On top of that, financial clubs are not informed what steps are being taken by the League executive to maintain the integrity of the League by ensuring clubs clear their indebtedness.

Maroochdore/North Shore are a glaring example. Most Div 1 clubs are aware that the Club is struggling and have been so ever since moving to Fishermans Rd.

They need to be in the League to satisfy the Leagues wish for a strong base in the Maroochy area. However the undercurrent still surrounds where the Club stands regarding long term viability.

Cooly and Palmy appear to be suffering from past indiscretions by labouring with contract players, rather than getting back to grass roots and building a culture of youth. Palmy have come out the other side with a few flags, but at what expense of youth development.

Would be interested to learn about Surfers and Pumas development plans.

Grange and Noosa appear to have a solid base with youth development, which will stand the test of time.
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I think you should pop your head in at Maroochydore now and see how strong the Juniors are and see what their club culture is all about!! It will be a succesful club in a couple of year,s and is already very strong off the field!
 
argt2000 said:
Interesting argument about relegation.

However the subject that most club administrators are not privy to is what financial position clubs are in from year to year.

Any Club delegate associated with SEQAFL will tell you that there are few Clubs that are financial at the end of the year. On top of that, financial clubs are not informed what steps are being taken by the League executive to maintain the integrity of the League by ensuring clubs clear their indebtedness.

Maroochdore/North Shore are a glaring example. Most Div 1 clubs are aware that the Club is struggling and have been so ever since moving to Fishermans Rd.

They need to be in the League to satisfy the Leagues wish for a strong base in the Maroochy area. However the undercurrent still surrounds where the Club stands regarding long term viability.

Cooly and Palmy appear to be suffering from past indiscretions by labouring with contract players, rather than getting back to grass roots and building a culture of youth. Palmy have come out the other side with a few flags, but at what expense of youth development.

Would be interested to learn about Surfers and Pumas development plans.

Grange and Noosa appear to have a solid base with youth development, which will stand the test of time.
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the only thing glaring from the Maroochy/northshore example is what is so common at most clubs it isn't funny.

The club had 2 very good years under coach Peter Sommerville. The first year, they finished second and went out in straight sets, after finishing second last the year before.

Star recruit Ben Matthews on mega bucks and other contracted players turn up from everywhere, and they win games and finish second. The committee pulls the pin, citing need for a change. No one nominates for new committee, a couple of ex Maroochydore players and volunteers decide to get back involved after getting the call for help, and find out they have inherited a $60k debt thanks to a major amount of spending on player contracts.

Happens all the time, clubs refuse to admit it, but people get on committees and spend more then they earn, then walk away when the shit hits the fan. They are only doing what they think best for the club, so shouldn't be judged.

3 years on, thanks to alot of support from volunteers, some players staying loyal and playing for free and a committee more intent on setting a solid platform for the clubs future then short term on field success.

In regards to your second point, like any business that is owed money, it was always in AFLQ's best interest to ensure the viability of Maroochy/Northshore, as they were owed substantial amounts of money. If anything, the junior club cared more about having a senior club in the Maroochydore area as it provides a pathway for their juniors and assisted the seniors accordingly.
 

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another glaring example is the caloundra panthers. win the flag 2 years ago, played in a prelim last year, and suddenly they don't have enough players to field 2 teams?

having been on the other end of some of there player poaching raids, it was always going to happen with some of the stories being tossed around for money being offerred to maroochydore players. you can't spend what you don't have.
 
lovestheFP said:
I think you should pop your head in at Maroochydore now and see how strong the Juniors are and see what their club culture is all about!! It will be a succesful club in a couple of year,s and is already very strong off the field!
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well said.

many other senior clubs got a 1s, 2s, 3s, under 18s div 1 and under 18s div 2.

pretty sure outside of aspley, the juniors is one of the biggest junior club in qld if not australia.
 
In response to argt2000 comments about Palmy and how they have developed their juniors. I have only been apart of the club for a few years. And yes Palmy have attracted a lot of ex state league players! In recent years we have seen Nick Burton, Brock Askey, Steven Thynne move up to play senior football at Southport and Broadbeach. We have been pretty successful in under 18 over the last couple of years and would encourage any young man to play the highest standard of football available. We as a phc club can only offer an aspiring young footballer so much! as with the case at all phc clubs (some more than others) that it is very difficult to attract the 15 - 18 year demographic with the likes of Southport Labrador Broadbeach picking the eyes out of the young talent and encouraging them to play neafl footy. This should always be the case! I dont have a problem with how the comp is representd as a general demographic, with the impact of ex state league players no longer able to accomodate the requirements of neafl footy to come back to this league, in a virtual swap for our young talented teens. In summary, I dont think it should be a poor reflection of a club not seeing to be blooding young footballers for elder statemen when the cream of the crop are performing week in and week out for neafl clubs! And I would also wager no club in their right mind would contemplate holding back a young footballer to play an old head week in and week out. You need look no further than the team sheet for every side in the comp this week and pick out how many local juniors are playing under the age of 21! I think you may be surprised.
 
Round 2 tips
W/Grange v Mayne
Maroochy v Noosa
Sandgate v W/Magpies
Surfers v PBC
Cooly v Burliegh
 
s364376 said:
another glaring example is the caloundra panthers. win the flag 2 years ago, played in a prelim last year, and suddenly they don't have enough players to field 2 teams?

having been on the other end of some of there player poaching raids, it was always going to happen with some of the stories being tossed around for money being offerred to maroochydore players. you can't spend what you don't have.
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Here is the facts of the 2 maroochydore players that played for caloundra last year one got 100 paid by a club supporter and the other got 200, 100 paid by the club and 100 covered by a club supporter. So your stories and facts are wrong, tell me the numbers you reckon they got.
 

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