Setanta must play Centre Half back

[waldo48]

After the first quarter performance by Waite on Brown, it has become obvious that he cannot handle the bigger power forwards (He may evebn be better vale as our leadup CHF). Setanta when he went back on to Brown did a very good job and allowed Waite to play the loose man.

Not having grown up with the Game, Setanta for all his attributes, struggles as a forward because he still has trouble reading the flight and making the right moves. At CHB the ball will be coming to him and his only job is to stop his man getting the ball.

At 199cm and 100+kg he is the big body that we need in the backline. It is time the Club said to him - you are our CHB long term and that is where we are going to play you. With his athleticism, vigour and unbelievable determination, he could develop into one of the great CHBs and allow us to build our defence around him.

It would also give him a huge lift in confidence and speed up his development.

 

[Pamam]

i wouldnt say he could turn into one of the great CHB's

but he would be better serviced in the backline rather than the forward line

problem is we dont have a CHF and need a big presence there so forwards like Fisher get the 3rd backman rather than the 2nd

 

[Artie Bucco]

Setanta doesn't yet have the football smarts to play CHB, he will get lost too easily in traffic.

1on1 Setanta should play on the gorilla forwards, but for a hard leading CHF who pushes up the ground Waite is the man

 

[koutamarto]

I agree with everything said thus far.

 

[berisha]

but for a hard leading CHF who pushes up the ground Waite is the man

Proved that against Jonathon Brown

 

[Kooley]

he could develop into one of the great CHBs and allow us to build our defence around him.

at 25 he should be one of the great CHB's of all time by the age of 65.

 

[Artie Bucco]

Proved that against Jonathon Brown

Brown didn't venture that far out of the forward 50.

The players he should be taking are Riewoltd, Pavlich, Richo, Franklin ( although more a FF, hardly ever takes a strong 1on1 mark)

 

[HBF]

Setanta doesn't yet have the football smarts to play CHB, he will get lost too easily in traffic.

1on1 Setanta should play on the gorilla forwards, but for a hard leading CHF who pushes up the ground Waite is the man

But he also gets taken to the ball, which means he doesn't have to read the play as much, if he plays on the forward line. I also thought he did a pretty good job on Brown after Waite was moved off him.

 

[Salaryman]

But he also gets taken to the ball, which means he doesn't have to read the play as much, if he plays on the forward line. I also thought he did a pretty good job on Brown after Waite was moved off him.

Problem is I'm not sure he has the closing speed of a Jamo or Waite, I'm not sure what to do with young Carlos, not sure the MC is sure either

 

[blues4flag]

Setanta doesn't yet have the football smarts to play CHB, he will get lost too easily in traffic.

1on1 Setanta should play on the gorilla forwards, but for a hard leading CHF who pushes up the ground Waite is the man

Yep

 

[Beloved]

Proved that against Jonathon Brown

Maybe not against Browny, but how about the first 7 round of football?

 

[Artie Bucco]

But he also gets taken to the ball, which means he doesn't have to read the play as much, if he plays on the forward line. I also thought he did a pretty good job on Brown after Waite was moved off him.

That's a valid point, but I don't believe he will be able to mix it with players like Riewoltd, Richo, Pav etc further up the ground as a CHB. Keep him on players like Brown (sat he didn't venture too far out of the F50) Lloyd etc when they are playing mostly inside the 50 and it's going to be a mostly 1on1 contest.

I think that's the problem with Setanta so far, his deficiencies aren't enabling him to be played regularly in 1 spot. Realistically we wont make finals this year, and it has always been a development year. If we are serious about Setanta I just hope he gets played in 1 position for the rest of the year and learns the craft of that role. Sure he'll make some blues, but next year when it's going to count we will reap the rewards

 

[as0l0]

I reckon our boy Jarrod lost a lot of confidence through the Vic game. He had a bad night against the dreamteam and probably came away thinking that he wasn't all that good. I reckon he just needs his confidence restored and he can beat a player like Brown.

 

[thylacine60]

Problem is I'm not sure he has the closing speed of a Jamo or Waite, I'm not sure what to do with young Carlos, not sure the MC is sure either

You sound unsure.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You sound unsure.

Are you sure you read that correctly? He is sure that he isn't sure.

 

[HBF]

Our biggest issues at the minute are what to do with both Carlos and Waite. Play them back, play them forward - who knows.

This we know - Thornton, Jamison and Bower play back. Fevola and Fisher play forward. Now, what do we do with Waite and Carlos. Both have their pros and cons to play back and forward, and until this is resolved, we are going to be in this limbo situation.

I really think that Carlos is capable of holding down CHB. If guys like Riewoldt and Richo are taking marks up on the wing, then good on them, but it's the marks they take inside their 50. If Carlos can at least be competitive against these boys, then I think he should play back there.

We do not have a player on our list that will take a game apart at CHF, so we need someone that can at least provide a contest, and take some pressure of Fevola. To me, that person is Waite. Is very inconsistent up there, but he at least provides a target, and can take a mark or 2.

 

[thylacine60]

Are you sure you read that correctly? He is sure that he isn't sure.

Just to be sure, I rang 3AW but Tony Shaw says he's not certain.

 

[PeeKay]

After the first quarter performance by Waite on Brown, it has become obvious that he cannot handle the bigger power forwards (He may evebn be better vale as our leadup CHF). Setanta when he went back on to Brown did a very good job and allowed Waite to play the loose man.

Not having grown up with the Game, Setanta for all his attributes, struggles as a forward because he still has trouble reading the flight and making the right moves. At CHB the ball will be coming to him and his only job is to stop his man getting the ball.

At 199cm and 100+kg he is the big body that we need in the backline. It is time the Club said to him - you are our CHB long term and that is where we are going to play you. With his athleticism, vigour and unbelievable determination, he could develop into one of the great CHBs and allow us to build our defence around him.

It would also give him a huge lift in confidence and speed up his development.

I've been trying to tell everyone that Waite is a wingman and could be one of the greats. Unfortunately due to the lack of big KPP like CHF & CHB we have to play players out of their best position.
Now we have an injury to Jamison who is out for 4 weeks we will have to try other players in incorrect positions. On top of this almost our entire best back line is injured and we don't have a specialist CHB or even someone who is capable of being FB for a few weeks. The only BIG (195-6cm) player we have is Hartlett and he is still injured.
The next few weeks don't look good regardless of who we play.

 

[PeeKay]

i wouldnt say he could turn into one of the great CHB's

but he would be better serviced in the backline rather than the forward line

problem is we dont have a CHF and need a big presence there so forwards like Fisher get the 3rd backman rather than the 2nd

Ratten said tonight on "On the Couch" that they think Sentana is aforward and want to play him there. But now we have more injuries who knows.

 

[PeeKay]

Problem is I'm not sure he has the closing speed of a Jamo or Waite, I'm not sure what to do with young Carlos, not sure the MC is sure either

They want him as a tall forward

 

[Salaryman]

They want him as a tall forward

Looking at champion data's breakdown of our list, our forward stocks are lacking the most depth. Being a latecomer and not a natural student of the game, I'm not convinced he will ever read the play or have the instincts to make it as a premiership key defender. Others will no doubt disagree with me, but when you put in perspective of the leagues best defenders, Scarlett, Fletcher, Glass, Harris, Rutten, I'm not sure Setanta is going to be the answer back there.

 

[thylacine60]

Looking at champion data's breakdown of our list, our forward stocks are lacking the most depth. Being a latecomer and not a natural student of the game, I'm not convinced he will ever read the play or have the instincts to make it as a premiership key defender. Others will no doubt disagree with me, but when you put in perspective of the leagues best defenders, Scarlett, Fletcher, Glass, Harris, Rutten, I'm not sure Setanta is going to be the answer back there.

Still sounding unsure.

 

[Salaryman]

Still sounding unsure.

Thanks captain

 

[HBF]

Looking at champion data's breakdown of our list, our forward stocks are lacking the most depth. Being a latecomer and not a natural student of the game, I'm not convinced he will ever read the play or have the instincts to make it as a premiership key defender. Others will no doubt disagree with me, but when you put in perspective of the leagues best defenders, Scarlett, Fletcher, Glass, Harris, Rutten, I'm not sure Setanta is going to be the answer back there.

Going by this assumption, he'd have even less of a chance to make it as a forward. I would have thought it would easier for him to get taken to the ball being a defender, than having to read the play and attack the ball as a forward.

 

[Artie Bucco]

Going by this assumption, he'd have even less of a chance to make it as a forward. I would have thought it would easier for him to get taken to the ball being a defender, than having to read the play and attack the ball as a forward.

I've liked Setanta as a forward he played pretty good vs Melb...he has all the attributes that we lack in the forward line, the main problem that I see from him thus far as a forward is he is still really uncoordinated going for a mark(his set shot on goal has been pretty good also). The difference being even if Setanta can play CHF and manages to spill a mark then it creates a contest for someone like Betts or whoever the crumber manages to be.


As I said earlier if we can play him in 1 position the benefit will be tenfold. The way I see it, he can hold down either CHB or CHF just needs time..the team needs him at CHF imo though, that's my two cents anyway