Player Watch Shane McAdam

[John Who]

Agree totally, but sadly that is not always the way politics work. When someone gets it wrong then others seek to cover the tracks. Would have loved them following the muck up regarding Pickett to say that following round one we are going to up the bar, so take even more care with the bumps, but the gutless wonders would never do this as I am sure their eyes are on the insurers and other powerful vested interests and Shane is the one to wear it relative to Pickett.

The gutless wonders are effectively making a statement they want the bump outlawed, but using a Crows player to set precedent. Meanwhile, they don’t want to let go of their Vic bias.

Here they have a chance to give harsh penalties on all 3 incidents to make it a firm statement. Alas, they are moronic wimps.

 

[Maddogmetro]

We’ve come a long way in the year with studies on impacts of head injuries

And the AFL is taking a strong stand... by punishing the most severely the one incident where a player wasn't hit in the head

 

[John Who]

If our players are smart they'll realise that the next Crow up will get a sorry we were wrong with the one before discount.

Go your hardest lads*

*By lads I of course mean Fog

Yeah, nah. Our next player up for tribunal is likely to get the same shit treatment. DMac is the only one that has been lucky enough to get a penalty overturned. Don’t think any of our other past players had that same amount of luck.

 

[Scorpus]

If our players are smart they'll realise that the next Crow up will get a sorry we were wrong with the one before discount.

Go your hardest lads*

*By lads I of course mean Fog

The AFL would never give us a discount on anything. We're the customer they know is rich so charge us above retail price every time

 

[John Who]

And the AFL is taking a strong stand... by punishing the most severely the one incident where a player wasn't hit in the head

The head is sacrosanct and we care about concussion prevention. Therefore, we want to penalise any players who cause players to get winded or get bruised ribs. Because..the chest is connected to the neck and right under the head!

Oh, never mind the other 2 incidents where the head was actually involved. Those were pure accidents.

 

[Shaunbkk]

When i next go to cold windy Melbourne, I will pay a very public visit to VFL headquarters. There needs to be a daily vigil outside trying to save the game and stop the bias.

 

[Gtowncrow]

What Shane did was pretty stupid knowing the current environment but it only deserved 2weeks The media and the fact it's still the VFL got him the extra week. The interstate clubs should depart this sham and form another comp that's equitable

And add Tasmania and NT...

 

[Crow till I die]

Yeah, nah. Our next player up for tribunal is likely to get the same s**t treatment. DMac is the only one that has been lucky enough to get a penalty overturned. Don’t think any of our other past players had that same amount of luck.

Now the AFL has license to deem any tackle a Crows player makes a much worse grading than they would for other teams because the can and they really hate us so will stick the boot in at every opportunity....and they don't even need to justify it as they get to play God on the grading

 

[crowker]

Freakish how accurately this game of the 60's was able to nail the game of the 2030's.
36 players lying on the deck to scared to move due to their potential to cause injury

 

[rocket18]

APPEAL FAILS: Crows forward still banned after marathon hearing


What a scummy organisation, can't believe anyone outside of Victoria continue to put money into this shitshow.




"Brutal hit" heck me, he got him in the chest.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Did the game continue or was there a delay while they rolled Wehr's carcass off the field?

 

[spenze]

Did the game continue or was there a delay while they rolled Wehr's carcass off the field?

Delay so they could hold the funeral, wake thankfully was after the game

 

[jenny61_99]

Stage a walkout on 23 minutes from the AO.

Our Club doesn’t deserve that, nor do our players. It has to be something that hurts the AFL.

 

[jenny61_99]

I'm not seeing how the "Pickett suspension was too lenient therefore McAdam's suspension should be reduced" logic helps Adelaide at all?

It's pretty obvious that the AFL should have appealed Pickett's suspension. (Melbourne know this too, which is why they didn't actually appeal despite their public rhetoric, because that would have resulted in a 3 week ban for him.)

If they’d done that, we probably wouldn’t have appealed.

 

[spenze]

Our Club doesn’t deserve that, nor do our players. It has to be something that hurts the AFL.

To be fair, we might be that far down by the 23 minute mark, observers might think we are leaving because the games lost, not any protest

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Who'd remember to do that anyway?

At the x minute mark of the 2nd quarter we're going to applaud to acknowledge whatever...

Once the game starts though and you're yelling, cheering, drinking, eating, arguing with the red coats, marking goals and behinds down in the Budget, trying to fetch your Thermos that has rolled a couple of rows down, check your Super Coach score, logged on to BigFooty quickly to bag Mackay Murphy ??? well... someone

Between all that who's remembering when to clap? The people who do remember and prompt the rest of the crowd into action are weirdos imho. Not fully invested in the game.

 

[Interloperer]

If they’d done that, we probably wouldn’t have appealed.

As much as I think it was a lost cause, there really was no point in Adelaide not appealing.

They were forced to the tribunal in the first place by the MRO (unlike Melbourne) and given the guilty verdict resulted in the maximum realistic sentence anyway there was zero to lose from the appeal. (IMHO they might have had more luck if they were more restrained in their goals at the appeal, but that's a different matter)

 

[1970crow]

If thats their argument, why haven't they then appealed the MRO's 1 week for Buddy and 2 weeks for Pickett as manifestly inadequate ban lengths? - they are hypocrites that look after their Vic mates and their superstar players and no amount of gaslighting by them can change that fact

they didn't appeal those gradings because they're pulling the strings of the puppet that made the call. I'm telling you, if not for the spray of water, Shane would have got two as well. Don't overthink it, this is the AFL. Actual justice is only found outside of its legal system. I'd love us to take this to a real legal system.

 

[whattagun07]

sick of Sam Edmund banging on about how Adelaide were 'greedy' when contesting McAdam verdict. sn't appeal a basic right? And why not contest the entire thing? He and Whately saying that we lost because we argued to have it thrown out, when we should have argued for a reduction in the suspension. What a load of sh**
He had the nerve to say (I think on Wed) that Adelaide wasted everyone's time and he should have got an extra week added because of it.

 

[kirky]

well the AFL tribunal and appeals board have now set a precedent that they have to follow from now on (unless they change their rules) and as such, every single incident where there is hard contact, late contact etc will have to be viewed through that prism - they simply can't now pick and choose - they have to assume potential for injury and that is their guiding principle. As I said, our media arm should be on every single incident and ramming them down the AFL's throats every week from now to make sure the high bar they set is observed by all

“They simply can’t pick and choose”?

Oh yes the can and they will.

If we are talking about integrity then I’m afraid AFL and integrity can’t be used in the same sentence.

 

[Mutineer]

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/news/shane-mcadam-tribunal-appeal-graham-cornes-slams-discrepancy-as-crows-prepare-to-fight-ban/news-story/dc7eabba6c5134b54c98069527446ea0

After a deliberation of around two-hours the Appeals Board found that the Tribunal did not err or commit an error of law.

Murray Kellam KC, overseeing the hearing, said “the potential for injury is a significant matter in the classification of offences”.

“In our view the Tribunal committed no error of law in concluding that the classification of impact was severe,” he said.

“It was open to the Tribunal to place great weight (on potential for injury) in our view.

“It found that Mr McAdam chose to bump at particular speed where a reasonably prudent player would have concluded there was a considerably risk of injury to a player with the ball.”

Mr Kellam said it should also be noted that the Tribunal contained two “highly experienced ex-AFL players” and it was “not bound by previous decisions”.

“The appellant has established no error of law in that regard,” he said.

 

[DJ75]

What I'm most interested in is the Crows response from here. Do we quietly walk away with our tails between our legs, or do we make a stand?

We need to come out and publicly call out the BS. We need to make it clear that we still believe the decision is wrong, that we have no faith in the MRO and that we believe there is a consistent and ongoing bias against teams outside of Victoria. That if we want a truly National game, we need to decentralise and move aspects of the running of the game away from Melbourne.
There will be a huge cry about it in Melbourne, but putting it on the agenda will make others take notice that we aren't F@#king around anymore.
We should point out that idiocy of the 3 suspensions from last week. That the only one to cause actual injury, and concussion at that, recieved the least sanction and that in a World where there are multiple lawsuits currently being set against the AFL for concussion, we believe it to be detrimental to the game. We should also point out that the AFL has decided that any forceful bump to the body is now suspendable due to the potential to cause injury and that we will be watching to see how many suspensions the AFL hand out for this in the following weeks.

We genuinely need to launch a few grenades the VFL's way.

As supporters, I have an idea. Just before the second quarter starts, as the TV coverage returns, we should chant "VFL, VFL, VFL" then when the siren sounds to start the quarter, break into a substantial boo.
It will be noticed and commented on by the media and make a clear point to our thoughts.

 

[DJ75]

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/news/shane-mcadam-tribunal-appeal-graham-cornes-slams-discrepancy-as-crows-prepare-to-fight-ban/news-story/dc7eabba6c5134b54c98069527446ea0

After a deliberation of around two-hours the Appeals Board found that the Tribunal did not err or commit an error of law.

Murray Kellam KC, overseeing the hearing, said “the potential for injury is a significant matter in the classification of offences”.

“In our view the Tribunal committed no error of law in concluding that the classification of impact was severe,” he said.

“It was open to the Tribunal to place great weight (on potential for injury) in our view.

“It found that Mr McAdam chose to bump at particular speed where a reasonably prudent player would have concluded there was a considerably risk of injury to a player with the ball.”

Mr Kellam said it should also be noted that the Tribunal contained two “highly experienced ex-AFL players” and it was “not bound by previous decisions”.

“The appellant has established no error of law in that regard,” he said.

So effectively they have agreed it wasn't to the head, but that it doesn't matter.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

We were never going to win and I doubt we expected too. The problem wasn't McAdam's suspension, it was the gymnastics being performed to rationalise lesser penalties in the other ones.

We've shone a light on the inconsistency which I suspect is what we set out to do

Loved that Senior counsel Duggan ripped into them re their processes

I expect that was mostly the point , what a sham the whole debacle is and how inconsistent it can be

 

[Mutineer]

So effectively they have agreed it wasn't to the head, but that it doesn't matter.

Pickett's airborne attack on Bailey Smith had less "potential" for serious injury?