Shane Tuck

[OniAu]

people wonder why the tiges and dees have gone backwards a little, or havent progressed as strongly as they should have with all their high draft picks.

Love to see the amount of players they have in the 25 to 31 bracket, seems severely underated by those clubs in particuluar to have those bigger bodies and bit more experience in the team.

 

[MightyTiger]

They're backed up, from someone very close to him.

I'm sure they are.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I'm sure they are.

No need for winks.

Shane has been getting a raw deal, and part of that comes from a testy relationship between himself and Campbell.

 

[baja]

yeah Ive also heard Cambell has too much say in everything not just about Tuck, the description I got of him was that he was a snake.

 

[Alexwce]

Of course they should but if he had half a brain he would walk away. GWS would pay him more and he would get a game.

 

[MightyTiger]

No need for winks.

Why?

Shane has been getting a raw deal, and part of that comes from a testy relationship between himself and Campbell.

So has Gourdis, Post and Nason, should we all assume that they have a problem with Campbell as well?

And if what is being said is true, which side do you believe? Why do we automatically assume it's Campbell's fault? Heck for all we know Tuck could be at fault, until we hear both sides of the story it will always be a rumour.

yeah Ive also heard Cambell has too much say in everything not just about Tuck, the description I got of him was that he was a snake.

I'm sure you have.

 

[Brown Bottle]

people wonder why the tiges and dees have gone backwards a little, or havent progressed as strongly as they should have with all their high draft picks.

Love to see the amount of players they have in the 25 to 31 bracket, seems severely underated by those clubs in particuluar to have those bigger bodies and bit more experience in the team.

It's not exactly a coincidence that we're in the bottom 4, or thereabouts, and that we have hardly any players older than 23-24. You might be familiar with the notion that we've cleaned out our list over the last couple of years. It's not as if drafting 'recycled' players has been a resounding success for us in the last ten years either. Just ask - there's lots of posters on the main board who are prepared to detail our drafting failures. Not many of them will gloat about it though...

 

[baja]

I'm sure you have.

bud I got no reason to make that up and Im not the type to anyway

 

[Damon_3388]

So has Gourdis, Post and Nason, should we all assume that they have a problem with Campbell as well?

Gourdis, Post and Nason don't perform nearly as well as Tuck does at AFL level when given the opportunity. Their performances do them no favours, and I'd think their actual output when given games would have as much to do with them being in and out of the side as any relationship with assistants at Richmond. Tuck by contrast has been a consistent, durable performer for years at AFL level, and has been performing well in the little gametime he's been given this year (as I mentioned earlier, his 2011 stats translate to 30 disposals and nearly 7 clearances per game given 85% gametime). Hardwick has today praised Tuck for his efforts, and said "the way he accepts things, he knows where he's at", which indicates to me that his place in the side is being decided on things other than his performance. It could just be a team balance thing, as Hardwick alluded to ("It's more about trying to get the best fit for the side. With the amount of midfielders we've got going through there, you can't have too many inside mids. Tucky played his role today and did it very very well but with Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Nathan Foley, all those sort of players, which one do I leave out?"), but surely having Tuck in the side would help the young Tigers much more than hinder them, even if they already have other inside mids that they want to play.

 

[mcuzzy]

Don't know why Tuck has stayed at Richmond over the years should have looked elsewhere for more gametime and money. What a shame. Hopefully he's off to GWS next year for his sake - deserves better.

agree, sadly

 

[MightyTiger]

Gourdis, Post and Nason don't perform nearly as well as Tuck does at AFL level when given the opportunity. Their performances do them no favours, and I'd think their actual output when given games would have as much to do with them being in and out of the side as any relationship with assistants at Richmond. Tuck by contrast has been a consistent, durable performer for years at AFL level, and has been performing well in the little gametime he's been given this year (as I mentioned earlier, his 2011 stats translate to 30 disposals and nearly 7 clearances per game given 85% gametime). Hardwick has today praised Tuck for his efforts, and said "the way he accepts things, he knows where he's at", which indicates to me that his place in the side is being decided on things other than his performance. It could just be a team balance thing, as Hardwick alluded to ("It's more about trying to get the best fit for the side. With the amount of midfielders we've got going through there, you can't have too many inside mids. Tucky played his role today and did it very very well but with Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Nathan Foley, all those sort of players, which one do I leave out?"), but surely having Tuck in the side would help the young Tigers much more than hinder them, even if they already have other inside mids that they want to play.

As I said, Tuck is a good performer, I will never question that, the problem is, is that we have an unhealthy balance of Inside Mids to Outside Mids, our only 'Outside' players we really have are Conca and possibly Deledio when he runs through there.

This was also the case last year, we were very inside and were in the top few for Clearances/Contested, fast forward one year and that balance has gone, in the first 8-10 weeks, where we were winning purely because of our Outside run (Uncontested possession) if you go through our stat's in our wins and even in some of our losses, you will see that we were averaging something like an extra 100+ uncontested possessions a game, which obviously shows that we were running harder then our opposition with plenty of options up field.

It's obvious our balance isn't right, I'd rather have Foley, Martin and Cotchin playing as the Inside midfielders, the only possible option I would prefer was Jackson out and Tuck in, but Jackson has only the slightest advantage through his run with ability (Which isn't top notch).

Our problem lies within what happens outside of that stoppage or contested possession, we release the ball out, only to have a Edwards or a White receive the ball only to have them turn it over with the next possession.

 

[vWestCoast]

Doesn't he have a deal in his contract which says if he plays 15 or more games in 2010 he gets another contract. Heard it on tv but not 100% if it is tuck.

 

[MightyTiger]

Doesn't he have a deal in his contract which says if he plays 15 or more games in 2010 he gets another contract. Heard it on tv but not 100% if it is tuck.

You heard that baseless rumour on the Richmond board.

 

[vWestCoast]

You heard that baseless rumour on the Richmond board.

No I heard it on one of the footy shows, think it might of been Damien Barratt. Never venture onto the tigers board, don't need to see a bunch of meltdowns each week

 

[Dr Awkward]

Tuck has been underrated at Richmond for about 5 years. Screw youth, he is obviously a late bloomer anyway, it's in his blood.

I've heard he is terrible at following team instruction but we are desperate for players that are hard at it so who cares.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

ive also heard campbell does not like tuck.
i have no reason to lie

 

[tigerT]

You heard that baseless rumour on the Richmond board.

**** me you are an apologist for our pathetic footy club aren't ya? their faeces smell like roses ey? "move along nothing to see here" FFS open the other eye

To actually try and justify Tuck not playing - come on dude wake up lulz

 

[Damon_3388]

Tuck back up his great individual performance against Geelong with another good individual showing in a 57-point Richmond loss to West Coast - 29 disposals (44.83% of which were contested) @ 79% disposal efficiency, 5 clearances, 6 marks, 2 tackles, 6 inside 50s, and a Champion Data Player Ranking score of 114.

 

[mcuzzy]

if he has to go then i hope he goes to a premiership contending team or maybe GWS, high paying contract

 

[Damon_3388]

After a good individual showing in Richmond's win against Sydney last week, Tuck followed up with a team BOG performance in the Tigers' 7-point win over Melbourne this evening - 28 disposals (67.86% of which were contested) @ 64% disposal efficiency, 9 clearances, 3 marks, 7 tackles, 4 inside 50s, and a Champion Data Player Ranking score of 124.

Tuck's last four games - 29.25 disposals per game (47.86% of which were contested possessions) @ 76.92% disposal efficiency, 4.75 marks per game, 3.50 tackles per game, 6.25 clearances per game, 4.25 inside 50s per game, 0.25 goals per game (50.00% accuracy) and 0.00 goal assists per game, along with a Champion Data Player Ranking score average of 116.75

 

[juss]

Tuck's one and only problem is his kicking. If his skills were good he'd be well and truly elite. Don't let disposal efficiency fool you, his kicking is poor. Disposal efficiency is one of the worst stats recorded at the moment, can't stand it.

Tuck's kicking isn't great, which is something we as a team have worked hard to try and iron out. He is excellent with the hard ball, but the reason he wasn't getting games is because he's already 27/28 I think, not a great kick and we have an emerging and improving midfield. I think that if he stays with us he'l struggle to play more than 10 games next year.

 

[Elite Master]

I think yes. Richmond are a young side that could do with some tough hard experience bodies guiding them through with what is clearly a rebuilding phase. Tuck might not be super damaging by foot but his good in the contested ball and wins his fair share of clearances.

I think giving him another year will really help Richmond with their development.