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Not sure if this thread has already happened as im not exactly a regular on here, but i believe Byrnes' efforts this year have been more than servicable

People say that Varcoe's pressure is vital but Byrnes is just as good at chasing and doing the 1%ers

I'm another one that believe that Varcoe isn't doing enough in the forward line, applying pressure is good, but when you don't hurt them the other way, then it's not as good as byrnes who chases and shepherds, and then carries the ball a good 15-20m and then kicks it another 40

They're both averaging around 3 tackles per game, although byrnes averages 16 touches a game, that's double what Varcoe achieves

I think Byrnes is a great asset to this team, does some great things and certainly doesn't shirk the issue of coming up against a bigger body
 
Now look what you've started, cozdawg#09!

So Byrnes has no room for improvement? Would you not say that his game in Brisbane was an improvement from the others that he's played this year? What makes you think that he can't work on that and improve even more?
 
eliiiiza said:
Now look what you've started, cozdawg#09!

So Byrnes has no room for improvement? Would you not say that his game in Brisbane was an improvement from the others that he's played this year? What makes you think that he can't work on that and improve even more?
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agree with you there. much better game than his previous. Thought Varcoe was wasteful against port. had several inside 50's that bounced in front of the target etc. Personally though, i would drop both this week for rooke and bartel. :o
 

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Varcoe was pretty poor last weekend. I think Varcoe should be dropped before Byrnes this week (I think both will be droppde though), although obviously I would want Varcoe for the long term.
 
Didnt think I would ever say this but on form I would have to say Brynes just going by last weeks game , but the thing you have to remember is there is no 2nds to go back to this week so the one you drop will not get a chance to get back into some form either
 
Why doesn't Brynes have room for improvement? He is still quite young isn't he? I thyink if he got more gametime and a bit more consistently under his belt, his confidence will improve and he could make something of himself.
 
Duskfire said:
Why doesn't Brynes have room for improvement? He is still quite young isn't he? I thyink if he got more gametime and a bit more consistently under his belt, his confidence will improve and he could make something of himself.
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He's 23.
And exactly, maybe if he wasn't in and out of the seniors so much he'd settle into some form?
No one wants to go in and out of a side like that and now that he's got a much more talented group of guys around him he really should - and will - improve.
 
Duskfire said:
Why doesn't Brynes have room for improvement? He is still quite young isn't he? I thyink if he got more gametime and a bit more consistently under his belt, his confidence will improve and he could make something of himself.
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He turned 23 in April.

I think it's very much a confidence thing, he seemed to have no qualms in kicking goals in the VFL last year. And I'm sure you all remember the goal he kicked against the Swans on debut.
 

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FTW_ said:
He's 23.
And exactly, maybe if he wasn't in and out of the seniors so much he'd settle into some form?
No one wants to go in and out of a side like that and now that he's got a much more talented group of guys around him he really should - and will - improve.
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Maybe he'd be in the seniors constantly if he was good enough?
 
harsh but true.
I cringe when I see him with the ball but Varcoe hasnt set the world on fire over the last few week also.
 
Byrnes has improvement left in him, but Varcoe has a lot more improvement to go due to the fact that he is four years younger, has three years less experience at senior level and has played 25 or so less games.

The problem with Shannon Byrnes is that right now he lacks something on the field. The best way I can describe it is that he just doesn't have the presence. He is like a boy playing a man's game. When he gets tackled or pressured he's like an U/14 playing in the U/18s - undies instantly turn brown and the ball generally coughed up. Thats not to say that he shirks the issue - he doesn't - but he just doesn't have the core strength and poise under pressure. I think fundamentally he is too light and doesn't play in a manner that compensates for his lack of size, and at 23 and with a relatively mature body, he is not going to get much better in that regard.

Combined with no overhead presence, no right side, poor handballing skills, shocking goalkicking and a surprising inability to use his alleged "pace" to advantage, and it all adds up to a quality VFL player in my book.
 
Reg Hickey said:
Byrnes has improvement left in him, but Varcoe has a lot more improvement to go due to the fact that he is four years younger, has three years less experience at senior level and has played 25 or so less games.

The problem with Shannon Byrnes is that right now he lacks something on the field. The best way I can describe it is that he just doesn't have the presence. He is like a boy playing a man's game. When he gets tackled or pressured he's like an U/14 playing in the U/18s - undies instantly turn brown and the ball generally coughed up. Thats not to say that he shirks the issue - he doesn't - but he just doesn't have the core strength and poise under pressure. I think fundamentally he is too light and doesn't play in a manner that compensates for his lack of size, and at 23 and with a relatively mature body, he is not going to get much better in that regard.

Combined with no overhead presence, no right side, poor handballing skills, shocking goalkicking and a surprising inability to use his alleged "pace" to advantage, and it all adds up to a quality VFL player in my book.
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I would summerize it as no football nous at all. Lacks vision and football instinct.
 

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Take your Shannon Byrnes related hate crimes elsewhere. He tries hard, had a decent game on the weekend. Can you say that about Varcoe? I'm not talking about their respective upsides, Varcoe clearly has the edge there, I'm talking about the present.
 
Reg Hickey said:
The problem with Shannon Byrnes is that right now he lacks something on the field. The best way I can describe it is that he just doesn't have the presence. He is like a boy playing a man's game. When he gets tackled or pressured he's like an U/14 playing in the U/18s - undies instantly turn brown and the ball generally coughed up. Thats not to say that he shirks the issue - he doesn't - but he just doesn't have the core strength and poise under pressure. I think fundamentally he is too light and doesn't play in a manner that compensates for his lack of size, and at 23 and with a relatively mature body, he is not going to get much better in that regard.
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The problem with Travis Varcoe is that right now he lacks something on the field. The best way I can describe it is that he just doesn't have the presence. He is like a boy playing a man's game. When he gets tackled or pressured he's like an U/14 playing in the U/18s - undies instantly turn brown and the ball generally coughed up. That is to say that he shirks the issue - he does - but he just doesn't have the core strength and poise under pressure. I think fundamentally he is too light and doesn't play in a manner that compensates for his lack of size, and at 19 and with a relatively immature body, he is not going to get much better in that regard for a season or two yet.
He doesn't get tackled too often because he doesn't get the ball too often.
When he does get it, he gets rid of it straight away to avoid the oncoming footsteps.
But that wont be enough for the Trav lovers.
C'mon.
Tell me about his fantastic forward line pressure.
A sheepdog can do that too.

 
eliiiiza said:
Now look what you've started, cozdawg#09!

So Byrnes has no room for improvement? Would you not say that his game in Brisbane was an improvement from the others that he's played this year? What makes you think that he can't work on that and improve even more?
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this is his fourth year and has struggled to cement a regular spot.

and now he has played one decent game out of nine and he has improved?

also, his decision making under pressure is as good as playfairs.
 
darren forssman said:
this is his fourth year and has struggled to cement a regular spot.

and now he has played one decent game out of nine and he has improved?

also, his decision making under pressure is as good as playfairs.
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Agreed. And if Bartel and Rooke come back (as we expect), then I'm quite happy for Byrnes to go back to the seconds.

But he's provided more than Varcoe recently. As erratic as his disposal is, at least Byrnes can get a kick. Varcoe just does not get the ball. We cannot afford that in finals.

We have to send out the strongest, most professional team we possible can. And right now that means no Varcoe or Byrnes.
 

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