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MightyBlue said:
FWD/Ruck - Hammer
Has shown that he can take a mark, just not on a consistent basis. Very athletic, just needs to work on his skills, timing and positioning; once again, have seen this in patches but definitely needs to improve his consistency. Think Shaun would excel when played on a third tall defender (height advantage) or an opposition ruckman (ruckmen typically can't defend), rather than a genuine tall defender. Recall him kicking a few bags in the VFL finals a couple years back. His ruck work is often very very good, especially those cheeky little taps in the forward line straight down the throat of our small forwards.
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Okay MB. Apart from his suspect marking ability, skills, timing, positioning, inconsistency and inability to play on tall defenders, what is wrong with Hampson - nothing.

Sounds better in a John Cleese voice.:D
 
OldBlueFan said:
All fair points. I went with Kreuzer as the ruck/forward because he seems to have more confidence in his ability to kick the ball through the big sticks. Both Hampson and Levi look like they'd rather be somewhere else when they take a mark inside the forward 50.

Your argument about Hammer benefitting from being on a third tall or ruckman in this traditional CHF/FF setup works equally well for Kreuzer. But yes, Kreuze's work around the ground is far better than both Warnock and Hampson.
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Absolutely right, I remember Kreuzer's first year or so, where he kicked something like 13 goals straight before kicking a single behind.
I think this approach also gives us some more flexability depending on who we're playing. For example against West coast, Hammers leap has been beneficial against Nic Nat, where Kreuz has the tank to run with Cox around the ground.
 
GoBlues! said:
Okay MB. Apart from his suspect marking ability, skills, timing, positioning, inconsistency and inability to play on tall defenders, what is wrong with Hampson - nothing.

Sounds better in a John Cleese voice.:D
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Has displayed these skills in the past, just needs to be able to apply them consistently. Doesn't help that he's been played as a FF or CHF. I'm not saying he's an amazing tall forward, I'm saying I think he's be best suited in our structure as our 3rd tall forward who spends some time relieving our #1 ruck.
Similar to how Levi performs better with Waite in the team, takes the best defender away from him, pushing him down the pecking order.
 

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Murphkreuzmitch said:
so another week and no hammer..
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I hope you don't think posting this each week Hampson doesn't get selected, does much for the discussion at hand.

Nobody has said he should be recalled based on his VFL form thus far. Everybody acknowledged Casboult has been doing well. The only argument is about the suggestion that Warnock is a much better player than Hampson, when Hampson has largely been judged as a ruckman playing forward and Warnock doesn't play forward. Whether he gets a chance to compete with Warnock as first ruck at Carlton or somewhere else, is still unwritten.
 
Murphkreuzmitch said:
so another week and no hammer..
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You should run through the rest of the senior list who aren't playing, yet have something to offer if they're in form and on...

Yarran, White, Warnock, Hampson, Watson, Laidler, Menzel, Rowe, McInnes, Duigan and Mitchell.
 
The Old Dark Navy's said:
I hope you don't think posting this each week Hampson doesn't get selected, does much for the discussion at hand.

Nobody has said he should be recalled based on his VFL form thus far. Everybody acknowledged Casboult has been doing well. The only argument is about the suggestion that Warnock is a much better player than Hampson, when Hampson has largely been judged as a ruckman playing forward and Warnock doesn't play forward. Whether he gets a chance to compete with Warnock as first ruck at Carlton or somewhere else, is still unwritten.
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to be honest I thought this week either him or knockers would have been a chance to get named, particularly with Hawthorn having playing a predictably tall line up..thats why the comment was posted, probably should have been elaborated..
 
What I saw of the NB game today just confirmed my feelings about the Hammer v Warnock debate.

Hammer was more mobile, more present, more damaging, more agile and seemingly more determined than Warnock.

It's a shame the Kreuzer/Hampson combination isn't about 10-15% better up forward than they are, then there'd be no quesiton as to who to keep out of Warnock or Hampson.

I still wanna see Levi as permanent CHF and Waite at FF with Kreuzer/Hampson taking turns in the Ruck/Forward. I reckon that's the combination that would give opposition teams the greatest match-up headache.
 

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OldBlueFan said:
I still wanna see Levi as permanent CHF and Waite at FF with Kreuzer/Hampson taking turns in the Ruck/Forward. I reckon that's the combination that would give opposition teams the greatest match-up headache.
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I would love to see this setup, but I think Levi needs to spend some serious time working on his kicking action from a set position... his action is too stiff, bounces the ball around on the run up and doesn;t seem to be able to aim a set shot if it is furhter out than 15m if his life depended on it.

he has great potential, but like Hammer he has some serious work to do with a coach. (Hammer needs to work with a real forward coach who can teach him how/where to lead)
 
Bluesque said:
I have heard from a very good source he has already signed with GWS,
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Hampson is signed until 2014 Bluesque. What deal could have we possibly agreed on? Taylor Adams swap? GWS's second rounder? (No. 20, I think)

OldBlueFan said:
What I saw of the NB game today just confirmed my feelings about the Hammer v Warnock debate.

Hammer was more mobile, more present, more damaging, more agile and seemingly more determined than Warnock.
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Yes, Hampson is more mobile but did you know that Warnock limped about for the rest of the day?
The guy was hobbling about on the boundary and I was surprised he was even allowed to go back onto the ground considering the leg issues he has.
 

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HARKER said:
Yes, Hampson is more mobile but did you know that Warnock limped about for the rest of the day?
The guy was hobbling about on the boundary and I was surprised he was even allowed to go back onto the ground considering the leg issues he has.
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No Harks, they didn't mention that on the Teev ... but it's not like even a fully fit Warnock is more mobile than Hampson, I don't think even you would dispute that.

From being at the game, would you agree that Hampson's endeavour was better this week? Looked pretty good on the telly. He certainly got plenty of the ball. And you must admit, that pick-up down low and snap for goal, was pretty damn good.
 
OldBlueFan said:
No Harks, they didn't mention that on the Teev ... but it's not like even a fully fit Warnock is more mobile than Hampson, I don't think even you would dispute that.

From being at the game, would you agree that Hampson's endeavour was better this week? Looked pretty good on the telly. He certainly got plenty of the ball. And you must admit, that pick-up down low and snap for goal, was pretty damn good.
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Much better this week than the past few, irrespective of the hit-outs.

Even worked himself back to the goal-line without being yelled at.
Wonder whether it was the Mick influence or for the fact that he knew the game was being televised. :D

Not sure exactly what happened to Warnock in the first quarter but the look on his face suggested that it hurt.
Didn't think we'd see him back after he hobbled off the ground. He seemed to run O.K. afterwards but continued to limp when walking.
 
HARKER said:
Much better this week than the past few, irrespective of the hit-outs.

Even worked himself back to the goal-line without being yelled at.
Wonder whether it was the Mick influence or for the fact that he knew the game was being televised. :D

Not sure exactly what happened to Warnock in the first quarter but the look on his face suggested that it hurt.
Didn't think we'd see him back after he hobbled off the ground. He seemed to run O.K. afterwards but continued to limp when walking.
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Thanks. Glad to have it confirmed from someone at the coal-face.

If Esky's news is true, I will be unhappy. Would much rather the club traded Warnock than Hampson.
 
Not sure we will need a 2nd ruck against Sydney with Mumford been out unless they have a replacement that I'm currently not aware of. Good opportunity for Hampson or Warnock to come in against Jolly the week after.
 
Bluesque said:
Sorry, I should have said its agreed upon and the contract is drawn up...

Megan is in Sydney apparently,

Any more than that I don't know ... Good source tho'
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This doesn't surprise me. Megan does a lot of her promotional work in Sydney and Hammer is probably frustrated at not being first ruck.

This leaves us light on. All 3 of our rucks are injury prone, now we have 2 and 1 of them can't do much but tap the ball well. This means Kreuzer and Casboult have to make it as a combination or Kreuzer is back to being spare parts while Warnock stands in the centre square. Instead of addressing other needs, we now have to go looking for another ruckman.

Wasn't Giles supposed to be leaving GWS at one stage last year? Maybe it is straight swap, given Giles has kicked 24 goals in 31 games. Not as good a contested mark as Hampson, but knows where the goals are. Might better fit into a combination with Kreuzer. We invested more in Hampson draft pick wise, but that ship has well and truly sailed.

Hampson will be good at GWS. Can see him turning into a midfield leader. With Setanta and Thornton there, some friendships to be renewed. Also won't hurt as much as if he tore it up for Collingwood or another rival.
 
Blues_man123 said:
Not sure we will need a 2nd ruck against Sydney with Mumford been out unless they have a replacement that I'm currently not aware of. Good opportunity for Hampson or Warnock to come in against Jolly the week after.
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Not necessary really. Jolly is on his last legs. Kreuzer will smash him, literally and figuratively.
 
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