Sheehan What the?

[Crowboy#32]

He is saying that the Non Victorian teams have an advantage with our 12 games at home huh? collingwood and essendon play 18 games in victoria

 

[arrowman]

It's a fair point. The non-Vic clubs (or their supporters, anyway) like to complain about the amount of travel they have to do, but on the other hand we get to play a genuine home game against a visiting team 10 times a year, wherease with only two grounds in Melbourne the home ground advantage is greatly reduced.

It probably cuts both ways.

I think the only clubs that can really point to travel as a factor are the Perth clubs.

 

[Cap]

He is saying that the Non Victorian teams have an advantage with our 12 games at home huh? collingwood and essendon play 18 games in victoria

what alot of bollocks

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Not at all the GF is on the MCG who plays there more often?
If their clubs are to poor to win enough games not to take advantage it is their trouble.
There are more parks in victoria then 2 to play on, grasping at straws with his comment looking for more reasons for vic clubs shortcummings.
Stupid really, they risk losing those 4 games outside of victoria.
OMG!.... you mean teams shouldn't have a home ground advantage?
If you can't get enough wins to secure a home final with 18 games in victoria you have not earned an advantage.

 

[*PAF]

... but on the other hand we get to play a genuine home game against a visiting team 10 times a year, wherease with only two grounds in Melbourne the home ground advantage is greatly reduced.
...

I do not agree.
We have won 3 from 10 at home this year, yet 4 from 9 away.
When a side is no good it will lose no matter where they play.

Travel on the other hand apparently has an effect on injured players and also older players retiring earlier.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

I do not agree.
We have won 3 from 10 at home this year, yet 4 from 9 away.
When a side is no good it will lose no matter where they play.

Travel on the other hand apparently has an effect on injured players and also older players retiring earlier.

Humidifiers baby

 

[Crow-mo]

do you sleep in your own bed, and travel to the game from your own house?

that's a home game.

 

[*PAF]

Also this so called home ground advantage has not helped Freo that much has it? What about the Brisbane Bears?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I actually think the draw is reasonably fair.

The Adelaide clubs have 10 matches where they have a home state advantage, 10 away matches at an interstate venue, and 2 neutral games.

Melbourne clubs (on average) have 4 matches where they have a home state advantage, 4 away matches at an interstate venue, and 14 neutral games.

What the Adelaide clubs gain in home state advantage we lose in road trips. What the Melbourne clubs lose in home state advantage they gain in lack of interstate trips.

Where they might have a point is that the neutral games - the turf wars - might take more out of you them a game against an interstate club. They wouldn't quite have the intensity of a showdown but are perhaps more brutal than a game against an interstate team.

 

[Stiffy_18]

The "fall" of Victorian football has absolutely nothing to do with the so called home ground advantage. It has everything to do with the poor manner in which the clubs a run. The incompetency and culture at some of the clubs prohibits them from reaching the pinnacle. The clubs that are run poorly will never be successful.

Now I understand that some clubs face difficulties in terms of their memberships and lack of support but part of that has to do with how the club is run. Port aren't exactly a powerhouse in the AFL in terms of membership and following but Brian Cunnigham did a teriffic job in running the club. A good managment will somewhat offset the lack of "assetts" and still run the club successfully.

Then there is St. Kilda. A team that has had same culture for the past 100 years. Its no wonder that they only won the permiership once in the last 100 odd years. They have great talent but that alone is not enough.

So if these Vics want to be back at the top then they better take a good hard look in the mirror. Oh and maybe changing their attitude might help as well. Football exists outside Victoria, its time they realised that.

 

[Crow-mo]

The "fall" of Victorian football has absolutely nothing to do with the so called home ground advantage. It has everything to do with the poor manner in which the clubs a run. The incompetency and culture at some of the clubs prohibits them from reaching the pinnacle. The clubs that are run poorly will never be successful.

spot on.

what the league agenda won't face, is that structurally the competition is unbalanced, and equalisation is not working.

so it's always something else, and today it's the fault of the home games. blah blah blah.

next week it'll be something else.

 

[maccas_no1]

The "fall" of Victorian football has absolutely nothing to do with the so called home ground advantage. It has everything to do with the poor manner in which the clubs a run. The incompetency and culture at some of the clubs prohibits them from reaching the pinnacle. The clubs that are run poorly will never be successful.

Now I understand that some clubs face difficulties in terms of their memberships and lack of support but part of that has to do with how the club is run. Port aren't exactly a powerhouse in the AFL in terms of membership and following but Brian Cunnigham did a teriffic job in running the club. A good managment will somewhat offset the lack of "assetts" and still run the club successfully.

Then there is St. Kilda. A team that has had same culture for the past 100 years. Its no wonder that they only won the permiership once in the last 100 odd years. They have great talent but that alone is not enough.

So if these Vics want to be back at the top then they better take a good hard look in the mirror. Oh and maybe changing their attitude might help as well. Football exists outside Victoria, its time they realised that.

Interesting you say that stiffy as in Monday's Herald Sun over here there was a big write up on the fact that if the ladder stays as it is there will be only one finals game in Melbourne up until the GF.

1st week of Finals:

Adelaide Vs St Kilda AAMI

West Coast Vs Sydney Subiaco

Fremantle Vs Bulldogs Subiaco

Melbourne Vs Collingwood MCG

Possible 2nd week:

Sydney Vs Melbourne SCG/Telstra Stadium

Fremantle Vs St Kilda Subiaco

Possible 3rd Week:

Adelaide Vs Sydney AAMI

West Coast Vs Fremantle Subiaco


If Freo play their cards right they could play at home throughout the finals

 

[kirky]

Interesting you say that stiffy as in Monday's Herald Sun over here there was a big write up on the fact that if the ladder stays as it is there will be only one finals game in Melbourne up until the GF.

1st week of Finals:

Adelaide Vs St Kilda AAMI

West Coast Vs Sydney Subiaco

Fremantle Vs Bulldogs Subiaco

Melbourne Vs Collingwood MCG

Possible 2nd week:

Sydney Vs Melbourne SCG/Telstra Stadium

Fremantle Vs St Kilda Subiaco
Possible 3rd Week:

Adelaide Vs Sydney AAMI

West Coast Vs Fremantle Subiaco


If Freo play their cards right they could play at home throughout the finals

This game would be played at MCG as St Kilda was the fourth side and if lose first final get home ground advantage in second week. We are in a national competition, Victorians deal with it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The topic dominating airwaves today in Melbourne was the advantage interstate clubs have with their large recruiting teams and apparent unlimited $$ giving them an unfair advantage.

I kid not it dominated ALL day.

The proof was the high success rate of interstate clubs in Sth Aust and West Aust with Rookies.

Apparently all but two Vic clubs (Collingwood and Essendon) cannot afford to scour to the same level the WAFL and SANFL ....thus our advantage
They'll be seeking some sort of equalization I would think maybe an extra draft pick as compensation.

Strangely they forgot to mention the number of father/sons in Vic teams as a counter argument

 

[*PAF]

The topic dominating airwaves today in Melbourne was the advantage interstate clubs have with their large recruiting teams and apparent unlimited $$ giving them an unfair advantage.

I kid not it dominated ALL day.

The proof was the high success rate of interstate clubs in Sth Aust and West Aust with Rookies.

Apparently all but two Vic clubs (Collingwood and Essendon) cannot afford to scour to the same level the WAFL and SANFL ....thus our advantage
They'll be seeking some sort of equalization I would think maybe an extra draft pick as compensation.

Strangely they forgot to mention the number of father/sons in Vic teams as a counter argument

Only one of our 4 rookies got recruited from SA.
Any ol' excuse to hide their incompetence.

 

[- PC -]

Only one of our 4 rookies got recruited from SA.
Any ol' excuse to hide their incompetence.

Getting airplay over here as well.

What they are saying about the rookies is they cant afford to have a man sitting in Perth looking for likely lads. But surely a small $5000 fee for someone who goes to the football anyway is all thats needed.

 

[weed33]

I believe there are just too many clubs in Victoria and Melbourne cannot support all of them. There is always a danger of what happened in the NRL with a 'super league' type organisation coming in and removing Melbourne as the 'home' of football, finally making it a true national competition. How good would it be if the grand final was played at the home ground of the team that deserved it instead of the MCG just because it has always been there (for the VFL anyway). The last 2 years grand finals have been a bit crap for the clubs supporters as they all have to travel to Melbourne because it is tradition to have it there.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Getting airplay over here as well.

What they are saying about the rookies is they cant afford to have a man sitting in Perth looking for likely lads. But surely a small $5000 fee for someone who goes to the football anyway is all thats needed.

I think in all honesty there are Vic AFL clubs who have chosen to rely on the National draft for their talent or the VFL.

When "gold" is discovered on another hill, don't they all then want to rush to that hill

We got Hudson from the VFL...is that because of our large recruiting $$$....hell with these VFL teams effectively reserves sides nearly every AFL club would have seen him

 

[Crow-mo]

Only one of our 4 rookies got recruited from SA.
Any ol' excuse to hide their incompetence.

look at the bright side.

while they make excuses, it's less likely they'll move to fixing the real problems.

 

[Crow-mo]

IWe got Hudson from the VFL...is that because of our large recruiting $$$....hell with these VFL teams effectively reserves sides nearly every AFL club would have seen him

what we have is a much higher quality scout. your john turnbull's, Kinnear beetsons. alan stewarts etc. etc.

we would've charted Hudsons progress, sent quality people to take a look, processed all the information in a logical, professional, and systematic manner and made an informed decision.

good organisations run on the quality of their people, and the quality of a football club is a lot more than just onfield personnel.

 

[Butane]

I believe there are just too many clubs in Victoria and Melbourne cannot support all of them. There is always a danger of what happened in the NRL with a 'super league' type organisation coming in and removing Melbourne as the 'home' of football, finally making it a true national competition. How good would it be if the grand final was played at the home ground of the team that deserved it instead of the MCG just because it has always been there (for the VFL anyway). The last 2 years grand finals have been a bit crap for the clubs supporters as they all have to travel to Melbourne because it is tradition to have it there.

You ask any AFL footballer where they would most like to win a grand final? And i would bet 95% would say the MCG. You ask AFL football fans where they would want to watch their team live win a grand final and most would say the MCG. Its the 'home' of football, by all means its not the only place but its the symbol of the september finale and we can't break tradition because its a bit crap to travel their. i'd call it a pilgrimage in the last week of september anyway.

 

[Butane]

I think in all honesty there are Vic AFL clubs who have chosen to rely on the National draft for their talent or the VFL.

When "gold" is discovered on another hill, don't they all then want to rush to that hill

We got Hudson from the VFL...is that because of our large recruiting $$$....hell with these VFL teams effectively reserves sides nearly every AFL club would have seen him

Yea, i agree, its so annoying when teams focus on the talent of the draft, there are guys playing all over Australia who would excel at AFL level given the chance. Victorian teams need to look around a bit. i've noticed that Adelaide and West Coast and even Sydney have done very well from not just using the national draft.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

what we have is a much higher quality scout. your john turnbull's, Kinnear beetsons. alan stewarts etc. etc.

we would've charted Hudsons progress, sent quality people to take a look, processed all the information in a logical, professional, and systematic manner and made an informed decision.

good organisations run on the quality of their people, and the quality of a football club is a lot more than just onfield personnel.

Yeah, but the VFL clubs have great volunteer networks

 

[Adrian Shelton]

They made their bed long ago, and they still wont lie in it. They want the VFL back they just put everything back where it was in 1986. SA and WA can take their dollars and players and come home. Swans and Fitzroy can go home then too. Not realistic i know but i'm prob not the only old schooler that thinks like that .

Funny how the way football is that the SANFL raids what passes for the VFL now too, hope that SANFL salary cap goes up by about $60000 which i believe is the amount being looked into. OK, one more time for the cheap seats as well. Starting with the VFL as a base was never going to be the right way to start a national leauge, the chance to do it right is long gone(unless a superleauge drops out of the clear blue sky)

ps
keep redevolping those suburbs grounds in Melbourne too, they're going to be needed again one day!!!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yea, i agree, its so annoying when teams focus on the talent of the draft, there are guys playing all over Australia who would excel at AFL level given the chance. Victorian teams need to look around a bit. i've noticed that Adelaide and West Coast and even Sydney have done very well from not just using the national draft.

Some players are drafted as 17 year olds and are released from the system by 21.

When the VFL was raiding the SANFL if my memory is correct they were generally targeting 22-23 year olds.
There are slower maturing/developing players and if you turn over enough pebbles you'll find a pearl