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has it just gone too far? vettel has been an arseh*le for so long, should webber just take the deadshit out?
 
being a total prick can be far more dangerous in critical situations......vettels gotta learn. a south american would have educated him already....
 
also, dannnnnnn, that avatar aint a tackle...

his opposition player hit him with his right shoulder (and front on) initiallly. the player should have then held that line, driven his legs, and smashed that player on his back, smashing his head on the ground.

if you want to have a good tackle as an avatar...do better...
 

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I bet if Webber had gone in front of Vettel, you would all be cheering him.

Don't let your sycophantic patriotism (aka xenophobia) get in the way of having double-standards.
 
Dannnnnnnnnn said:
Yeah, but why should you fight danger with danger? Red Bull should grow some balls, get their mouths off Vettel's arse and discipline him. Punting somebody into the wall isn't going to solve anything.
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If Red Bull disciplines Vettel, he can just quit as soon as his contract comes up. He would be the biggest free agent in F1, and EVERY team will chase him.

Red Bull need Sebastian Vettel a hell of a lot more than he needs them.
 
catman 71 said:
I bet if Webber had gone in front of Vettel, you would all be cheering him.

Don't let your sycophantic patriotism (aka xenophobia) get in the way of having double-standards.
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Keep making assumptions. I'm not a Webber fan at all. Vettel is a prick for doing what he did, and if Mark had done the same thing I'd view him in the same light. Hell, I'm a Räikkönen fan and if he did that I'd view him the same way.
 
catman 71 said:
I bet if Webber had gone in front of Vettel, you would all be cheering him.

Don't let your sycophantic patriotism (aka xenophobia) get in the way of having double-standards.
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TEAM? mean anything?
 
People have missed the underlying issue with this.

Why should anyone have to let their team-mate pass?

We have spend all last summer condemning lack of integrity in sport, from condemning Lance Armstrong, to labelling AFL teams "drug cheats", and even fining a team for "tanking". Yet we accept a practice in F1, where one driver has to drop back and let his teammate past.

Isn't this like "tanking", as Vettel was being asked to not drive to the best of his ability?

Does that mean that all wins in F1 now have a question mark on them, since maybe the driver only won, because his teammate dropped back and let him through?

This practice should be banned. When you have people spending lots of money on tickets, and people betting, a practice where someone is not allowed to win, but their teammate is suppoused to win, is a joke. Contriving results like that is akin to professional wrestling (the results are predetermined within the team).

Vettel shouldn't be criticized for getting in front and beating Webber. A win, whether it be Vettel or Webber, is a win for Red Bull.
 
catman 71 said:
People have missed the underlying issue with this.

Why should anyone have to let their team-mate pass?

We have spend all last summer condemning lack of integrity in sport, from condemning Lance Armstrong, to labelling AFL teams "drug cheats", and even fining a team for "tanking". Yet we accept a practice in F1, where one driver has to drop back and let his teammate past.

Isn't this like "tanking", as Vettel was being asked to not drive to the best of his ability?

Does that mean that all wins in F1 now have a question mark on them, since maybe the driver only won, because his teammate dropped back and let him through?

This practice should be banned. When you have people spending lots of money on tickets, and people betting, a practice where someone is not allowed to win, but their teammate is suppoused to win, is a joke. Contriving results like that is akin to professional wrestling (the results are predetermined within the team).

Vettel shouldn't be criticized for getting in front and beating Webber. A win, whether it be Vettel or Webber, is a win for Red Bull.
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Did you watch the race...? Your understanding of the events sounds like something from a news article.
 
I have no time whatsoever for Mark Webber.

He seems to be unlucky, how often his car breaks down, or someone passes him or the sun got in his eyes. Because it is never his own fault that he lost.

Webber is a sore loser and a whining prick. He only gets away with this because Australia is so desperate for an Australian F1 champ that they make excuses constantly for him. Webber has a massive ego partly because the Australian sporting media and public gave it to him.He is like Lleyton Hewiit, who was a petulant brat, but because he was our only hope of winning a Grand Slam, he was given chance after chance, and his behaviour excused.

Once Daniel Ricardo starts winning races, Webber will be forgotten about, then his head may deflate, and he grow an inch of humility, but I doubt it.
 

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After the final race, 2 to the head, one to the gentlemans area and a few kicks to the kidneys, but on the podium not the track.
 
Dannnnnnnnnn said:
Did you watch the race...? Your understanding of the events sounds like something from a news article.
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I've seen it happen many times. I remember Barrichello had to do that for Schumacher all the time. I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.

How does my watching the race determine the morality of not racing to the best of your and your car's ability? Stop being an excuse-maker for Webber.
 
You're all just upset because Australia can't win Gold Medals in the pool, cricket matches or F1 races at the moment.
 
was webber expecting vettel to pass him? was he driving defensively against him? if not, that sounds like a pre race collusion or agreement that vettel went back on?
 
catman 71 said:
I've seen it happen many times. I remember Barrichello had to do that for Schumacher all the time. I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now.

How does my watching the race determine the morality of not racing to the best of your and your car's ability? Stop being an excuse-maker for Webber.
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It's completely different to that scenario though mate, I hated it in those situations too. The scenario makes an enormous difference in this case.

Webber was much, much faster than Vettel; he was up by 6 seconds and was the fastest car on the track. Vettel had second place sewn up, so Red Bull decided that Seb wasn't going to catch Mark, and Seb wasn't going to be caught by anybody. 1st and 2nd were certainties, so they decided they didn't want to risk the cars any more. They told Webber to turn his engine right down since he was too far in front, and he complied. They told Vettel to do the same, and that Mark was going slowly by their instruction...he ignored them and began pumping out qualifying-style laps. His team repeatedly got on the radio asking him to slow down, but he refused. Mark got on the radio to ask if he could turn his engines up to defend against Vettel, and was told that Vettel would not pass. Vettel then made an incredibly dangerous move (2 mm to the left and both cars would have been completely totalled) to pass Webber.

It wasn't a, "Let Vettel win," scenario, nor was it a, "Let Webber win," scenario. It was a car management instruction that Vettel blatantly ignored and put both cars, and 43 championship points, at risk. If Webber had not been instructed to turn his engines off he would have finished miles ahead of Vettel, but Red Bull have suffered in those scenarios before by accidents and whatnot.

I don't like team orders any more than you do, but you've completely misunderstood last night's scenario. Vettel was completely in the wrong any way you look at it.
 
Formula 1 is a business, not a sport.

People need to realise that.
 

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Why get angry when F1 has always been about what's best for the brand name.
 
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Gus Poyet said:
Why get angry when F1 has always been about what's best for the brand name.
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obviously you dont read a thread before posting.

here, educate yourself....dummy.


Dannnnnnnnnn

It's completely different to that scenario though mate, I hated it in those situations too. The scenario makes an enormous difference in this case.

Webber was much, much faster than Vettel; he was up by 6 seconds and was the fastest car on the track. Vettel had second place sewn up, so Red Bull decided that Seb wasn't going to catch Mark, and Seb wasn't going to be caught by anybody. 1st and 2nd were certainties, so they decided they didn't want to risk the cars any more. They told Webber to turn his engine right down since he was too far in front, and he complied. They told Vettel to do the same, and that Mark was going slowly by their instruction...he ignored them and began pumping out qualifying-style laps. His team repeatedly got on the radio asking him to slow down, but he refused. Mark got on the radio to ask if he could turn his engines up to defend against Vettel, and was told that Vettel would not pass. Vettel then made an incredibly dangerous move (2 mm to the left and both cars would have been completely totalled) to pass Webber.

It wasn't a, "Let Vettel win," scenario, nor was it a, "Let Webber win," scenario. It was a car management instruction that Vettel blatantly ignored and put both cars, and 43 championship points, at risk. If Webber had not been instructed to turn his engines off he would have finished miles ahead of Vettel, but Red Bull have suffered in those scenarios before by accidents and whatnot.

I don't like team orders any more than you do, but you've completely misunderstood last night's scenario. Vettel was completely in the wrong any way you look at it.
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