Siddle ball tampering allegation

[djrossie16]

We do that, the racism line will be brought out immediately.

Well a few year back in Tassie weren't they heckled and labelled black campaigners by some nuffie. So yeah I think the racism line i don't think they'd be going down that road guys like Jaya and Sanga are okay.

 

[Andrew Mc]

Meh, I guess we've been putting up with chucking for over a decade. It's obviously just his natural action in holding the ball.

 

[djrossie16]

In before great bloke Murali but chucker.

 

[djrossie16]

Meh, I guess we've been putting up with chucking for over a decade. It's obviously just his natural action in holding the ball.

Ironic since Australia belted Murali. But well played.

 

[Shatterpoint]

Funny how the Aussies always get away with it.

 

[Ill Chicken]

Ironic since Australia belted Murali. But well played.

He played I think only 3 or 4 tests in Australia, one for the ICC World Team and I believe from memory that is the only match where he had a chance to bowl on a second innings pitch. Warne averages 31 for the 1st innings in a match on home soil.

 

[golions]

It wasn't a complaint or an allegation. It was just a suggestion to the match referee to look at the footage.

The way it's been reported is ridiculous.

This.

But isn't it interesting how a significant number of posters have used this as an opportunity to bash the subcontinent.

Once again we see certain countries coming to Australia and accusing them of illegal acts and wrong doings. It's been going on for years, because as we all know, the Aussies are the only people who do anything wrong in cricket

What's even worse is there are people out there who are prepared to believe it.

This episode has somewhat of a delicious irony in that when Sri Lanka toured in 1995/96, they were accused of ball tampering during the first test. There was no actual footage of ball tampering and they were eventually cleared of the charges, but that didn't stop the media slinging mud at the Sri Lankans for several days before they were cleared. Also, I recall no apologies directed at the Sri Lankans after they were cleared. Guess it's a bit hard to remember such episodes with the blinkers on isn't it Adelaide Hawk?

Nice to see the Sri Lankan Cricket Team endearing themselves to the aussie public again.

Why should they? It has been stated repeatedly by English, South African and Indian players that Australian crowds are the most abusive in the world.

Funny how the Aussies always get away with it.

Interesting quote and since this thread has deteriorated into subcontinent bashing, let me provide some perspective on things about Australian cricket:

*Two Australian players (Rod Marsh and Dennis Lillee) were the first players to bet on their own games. Not only that, they made tidy sums of money from these bets as a result of their own side losing. Did they get severely disciplined or banned for life? No they got away with it.

*In the 1995/96 season Glenn McGrath calls Sanath Jayasuriya a Black Monkey (before anyone gets me for saying defamatory comments, this has been published in a book printed and sold in Australia). He gets away with it.

*Glenn McGrath sledges a West Indian player (Sarwan). The West Indian player has a come back that is not anymore offensive or derogatory than what is already established by McGrath's initial sledge, and this is McGrath's reponse:



(BTW can anyone say - can dish it out but can't take it). Does McGrath get fined or suspended for this carry on? No he doesn't.

*Two other Australian players (Mark Waugh and Shane Warne) were the first players found guilty of colluding with matchfixers. This was swept under the carpet by the Australian Cricket Board and did not come to light until several years later. Did the ICC dish out a punishment? No.

*This was Ponting's reaction after a DRS decision didn't go his way:



Did he get suspended for such carry on? No, he got away with a slap on the wrist.

*We all remember this episode. This disgraceful act has only ever been performed in a competitive international cricket match by an Australian player:



Now imagine the hysteria if a subcontinental player did that?

 

[Ill Chicken]

golions you really think this crowd is going to agree with you.

 

[beta_condition]

This episode has somewhat of a delicious irony in that when Sri Lanka toured in 1995/96, they were accused of ball tampering during the first test. There was no actual footage of ball tampering and they were eventually cleared of the charges, but that didn't stop the media slinging mud at the Sri Lankans for several days before they were cleared. Also, I recall no apologies directed at the Sri Lankans after they were cleared. Guess it's a bit hard to remember such episodes with the blinkers on isn't it Adelaide Hawk?

*In the 1995/96 season Glenn McGrath calls Sanath Jayasuriya a Black Monkey (before anyone gets me for saying defamatory comments, this has been published in a book printed and sold in Australia). He gets away with it.

*Glenn McGrath sledges a West Indian player (Sarwan). The West Indian player has a come back that is not anymore offensive or derogatory than what is already established by McGrath's initial sledge, and this is McGrath's reponse:

*This was Ponting's reaction after a DRS decision didn't go his way:

*We all remember this episode. This disgraceful act has only ever been performed in a competitive international cricket match by an Australian player:
Now imagine the hysteria if a subcontinental player did that?

For one the Sri Lankans were found not guilty, not innocent there's a difference there. The difference between the two events one was reported on the field the other was by officals, whose better to judge what happened then the players out there?

You mean like the Indian called Andrew Symonds a monkey, what exactly happened with that?

A he said she said, but surly it was McGrath that started it.

Whats exactly wrong with expressing your opinion? Ricky Ponting must surly be the only player ever to argue at an umpire.

And you mean like it's viewed today? Don't know one person who doesn't think it was a low act, get exactly the same response

 

[Ill Chicken]

For one the Sri Lankans were found not guilty, not innocent there's a difference there. The difference between the two events one was reported on the field the other was by officals, whose better to judge what happened then the players out there?

There's no difference at all. If you are in the dressing room and you see something on the TV, the correct method is to go through an official, what are they going to do, wait until they get on the field?

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Guess it's a bit hard to remember such episodes with the blinkers on isn't it Adelaide Hawk?

Not at all, it's just that I don't derive as much pleasure at being anti-Australian as you do. Pull your head in, and try to argue a point without being a smart arse.

It seems ironic to me that we can survive entire Test series against some countries with no controversy whatsoever, but the moment some others (and we know who they are) come to Australia the allegations start flying. Why is that, hmmmmm?

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

golions you really think this crowd is going to agree with you.

That YOU agree with him is pretty fair indication his argument is flawed.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Now imagine the hysteria if a subcontinental player did that?

And you accuse ME of having blinkers on.

Those poor little subcontinental players, so innocent, and yet so misunderstood.

 

[Mateyman]

*Glenn McGrath sledges a West Indian player (Sarwan). The West Indian player has a come back that is not anymore offensive or derogatory than what is already established by McGrath's initial sledge,

I think to McGrath it would've been (due to the circumstances surrounding it). Not agreeing or disagreeing with your broader point

 

[Ill Chicken]

That YOU agree with him is pretty fair indication his argument is flawed.

Haha. What is the argument? The argument is that Sri Lanka legitimately raised an issue regarding the ball. It was correctly adjudicated that there was insufficient/lack of evidence for any action to be taken. What though is being thrown around in this thread is a disgrace and maybe I've interpreted golions post incorrectly but from the way I've read what the post, the actions of the Australian team are no greater or worse than any team in the history of cricket and that there are as many examples of teams and/or players acting in such away as highlighted specific incidents from the Australian team and hence the posts which bring race or deliberate tactics in this thread, like yours, are a complete of pile of shit.

 

[Glacier]

Gee there's a lot of crap on here
A bloke is shown by tv footage to maybe have his fingers digging around the seam( actually it was two blokes)
The Sri Lankans see it and ask " what's going on there?"
Nothing can be proven
Aussie public bay for blood like the KKK
Ludicrous
Yet if it was a bowler/ fieldsman from the opposition that was on tv.....well!!!

 

[golions]

Not at all, it's just that I don't derive as much pleasure at being anti-Australian as you do. Pull your head in, and try to argue a point without being a smart arse.

Mate, I'm just trying to point out the facts, provide examples and provide my interpretation on them. Feel free to disagree with my interpretation, but you can't really argue facts and examples that occurred throughout history.

It seems ironic to me that we can survive entire Test series against some countries with no controversy whatsoever, but the moment some others (and we know who they are) come to Australia the allegations start flying. Why is that, hmmmmm?

Hah. Don't try to pretend other non-subcontinental teams have had no issues here. Remember when the Kepler Wessels led South African team that toured in the mid-90's? they were treated disgracefully and they left the last game having smashed their dressing room. Now, I don't condone smashing a dressing room, but it gives an insight into the way they were treated that tour don't you think? (they didn't go around smashing dressing rooms in other countries, even when they lost)

Also, don't forget, that the Australian crowds have been labelled the most abusive by South African, English and Indian players.

And you accuse ME of having blinkers on.

Those poor little subcontinental players, so innocent, and yet so misunderstood.

What are you saying here? If a subcontinental player bowled an underarm ball to an Australian batsman with the game on the line, this place would go into meltdown. The abuse and insults would be never ending. Do you disagree with that?

Also, nice try at trying to put words in my mouth. I didn't say that the subcontinental players are angels - they aren't. What I'm trying to say is that the abuse directed at the subcontinent (especially India) in this place is a disgrace, especially given Australia's history.

Let's not forget that the first players in the history of the game to be found out for matchfixing were Australian (Rod Marsh and Dennis Lillee getting into a winning position, betting on the opposition at juicy odds, and then somehow going on to lose the game to collect a tidy sum of money). Were they severely punished? Banned from the game? After all, this should have been a precedent setting moment. No, they copped a $200 fine and were/are revered as heros. How about them double standards?

Haha. What is the argument? The argument is that Sri Lanka legitimately raised an issue regarding the ball. It was correctly adjudicated that there was insufficient/lack of evidence for any action to be taken. What though is being thrown around in this thread is a disgrace and maybe I've interpreted golions post incorrectly but from the way I've read what the post, the actions of the Australian team are no greater or worse than any team in the history of cricket and that there are as many examples of teams and/or players acting in such away as highlighted specific incidents from the Australian team and hence the posts which bring race or deliberate tactics in this thread, like yours, are a complete of pile of shit.

Spot on

 

[Mateyman]

Also, don't forget, that the Australian crowds have been labelled the most abusive by South African, English and Indian players.

Could you please provide links?

Also, I'm sure there would be similar quotes about all crowds, but I'm interested to see what these players actually said about our crowds.

 

[golions]

Could you please provide links?

Also, I'm sure there would be similar quotes about all crowds, but I'm interested to see what these players actually said about our crowds.

Indian and English are Kohli and Petersen
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-obscene-gesture/story-e6frg7rx-1226237225021

A report on the MCG being rated as one of the worst crowd grounds in the world when England were here in 2002.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/12/11/1039379883341.html

South African was after Pat Symcox had a (?frozen) chicken and various other things thrown at him. I remember watching the press conference after that game and I thought remembered him saying words to that effect. However, I cannot find a direct quote, so I'm happy to concede on that point.

To be fair, my point there was a bit out of line as I don't believe that Australia does have the worst crowds. I think India and Pakistan take that title.
Interestingly, the Australians rated South Africa and New Zealand to be the worst crowds
http://www.espncricinfo.com/rsavaus/content/story/237927.html

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I think we've got pretty shit crowds. Some of the stuff I heard against the South Africans (you don't need to be a genius to figure out which ones) was very unfunny and not necessary, especially given said players were some of the few who interacted with the crowd and seemed like good fellas.

 

[TassieEagle]

As long as it isn't racial, overly consisting of 4-letter words or extremely personal, I think is great that we have the worst, most abusive crowds in the world, they aren't here for picnic. Murali for instance, I have NO problem at all with people calling him a chucker or chanting it at crowds.

Nothing in the ball tampering thing, people are getting their knickers in a twist over media hype.

As for golions and the underarm incident, I don't think you will find and Australian who thinks it was right thing to do, everyone is in agreement no matter the parties involved.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

As long as it isn't racial, overly consisting of 4-letter words or extremely personal, I think is great that we have the worst, most abusive crowds in the world, they aren't here for picnic. Murali for instance, I have NO problem at all with people calling him a chucker or chanting it at crowds.

But most of the stuff I hear is racial and consists of said 4 letter words.

I have a problem with people abusing Murali, but I think I'm in the vast minority on that side of the fence.

 

[dan warna]

lol
needs lessons from Kapil 'bottle cap' Dev on how to tamper with the ball